Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement
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This isn't some new method Ineos have introduced to world football. United and every club have been doing this forever. Fees are usually amortized over several years. There are some rare cases where there's a release clause that needs to be paid in full, or when the selling club insists on a lot of money upfront, but other than that, most signings' fees are paid in installments over several years.
Not sure if just a roundup or actual news.
https://www.teamtalk.com/manchester...nning-clause-next-big-signing-verbally-agreed
https://www.teamtalk.com/manchester...nning-clause-next-big-signing-verbally-agreed
Quotes Plettenberg but his twitter doesn't say anything remotely close to a 'verbal agreement.'
I wouldn't say a player who had 37 appearances last season belongs in the "out of favour" bracket.
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So €60m has been too much all window but now it's all good? Yeah, calling bullshit on this.
He'll certainly command a first team place in the short-term. The question is more whether he'll be more than a squad player in, say, three years' time.
But then you could draw a comparison with a signing like Thomas Partey going to Arsenal for €50m back in 2020. Even though he was himself upgraded on after just three seasons, I don't think Arsenal particularly regret paying that for someone who improved them in the short term and is now a valuable squad player within the side they rebuilt over that time.
Also suspect we'd be much less likely to regret spending €60m on Ugarte than City will spending €62m on Mattheus Nunes last summer, say. And to my mind even if he ends up being a squad player long term, that would still represent better value for us in our current position than the €51m Bayern just dropped on a 29 year old Palhinha.
The transfer sounds constipated when you put it like that.
There were a couple of reports that simply said "before deadline day." That's what I'm going with as an expectation.
I’m hoping the fee will be lower than that, all the talk of us paying what they want is coming from the French side, it’s no surprise they’d put a more positive spin on it for the French club involved in the deal. I guess we’ll have to just wait and see. The optics won’t look too great if we’ve been in negotiations for weeks claiming we won’t pay what they want only for us to ultimately cave in to their demands as the deadline gets closer. That’s a Utd of old move.
Itk?Watch this space...
Agreed. The failure would be if we're in the market next summer or the summer after looking to upgrade him.
However if we decide we needed an upgrade in 3 years time, when we've only got £20m of amortisation left - it's not a bad situation to be in. You have the option to either sell him at that point or make him a bench option.
I mean, the situation changes a little if the fee doesn’t need to be paid until next year
Yep. Next season we need to move Casemiro on, so at that point if we are looking for a starter rather than a backup, that means something went wrong.
I did see the future earlier today... Scroll back and watch my predictions come true
Ugarte would come straight in if he signs, Ten Hag wants a CDM with his qualities and mobility.
It's a very common accounting practice. I'm not in that field at all so hopefully someone will correct me if wrong here, but the logic is: although we talk about players like physical assets, you can't actually 'buy' a human being. The transfer fee is a fee paid to secure the right to benefit from a player's services. If those services will extend over the length of that player's contract, then it is logical accounting for that fee to be amortised over the duration of the contract. Because that's actually how the value of the asset works. You don't receive the value of buying a player all in one go and so nor is it good practice to account the expense all in one go.
Your girlfriend's klarnas are not an amortised fee, they are a loan she is paying back. So it's a different thing.
This is the point, for me. He's statistically the best ball-winning high work-rate DM out there, and at 23 basically at the best possible age to buy a player - no longer young or unproven but still with 7 to 10 years of top level football in him. Compared to other midfield sales this summer, it's good value.
PSG are not selling because there's anything wrong with him, and both his game-time and stats from last season back that up. They're selling because they want a different type of midfielder instead. Some on here might also want that different, DLP type player. But clearly Ineos do not, because they're going for Ugarte. And there's no risk of them not understanding the kind of player he is, it's clear as crystal. My nan could tell you the type of player he is.
In 19 of those he was either subbed on or off though.
I have heard that before somewhere, what could possibly go wrong
He is just not good in the first phase of play and Mainoo is too young to put that expectation on him.
Having two uncultured midfielders as part of a 3 is not ideal. Bruno and Ugarte will still leave our midfield not good in possession/ press resistant.
Anyway, my opinion and just like many I was right about Mount.
Playing Casemiro as a dm again would be a mistake, he gets dribbled past very easily these days. He has been great the last two games, so what is your issue?
If Ugarte-Mainoo is to be our first choice midfield, then we might not be going for someone like Wharton for 80M+ next summer. We gave Bruno a new contract too, so he's going nowhere either, and no way we bench Mainoo.
Called it.
What do you mean by not good in the first phase of play? From his games the fact he can take the ball under pressure in the first phase and find simple passes with it would make him an upgrade on Casemiro. I don't think what Ten Hag is looking for in this team is a Carrick type player (who struggled when being pressed). When Martinez is on the pitch we have someone who can break lines in the first phase of play (hopefully De Ligt adds to that upgrade, Yoro seems like he's capable of doing it as well). So the 6 position doesn't necessarily need someone who is creative, if anything its more important to have a player that is comfortable being pressed and can manipulate the ball in tight spaces which it seems like Ugarte ticks the boxes.
You are not right about Mount because he was injured for the entire season. So let's see how he does this season.
Casemiro isn't particularly good in the first phase of play either, and not press resistant, but he was still amazing for us in his first season.
What player - in your eyes - is both great in the first phase of play and great defensivelyand available on the market?
You think we won't be in for Adam Wharton? Because what you are describing will literally happen. Us looking to upgrade on 50m Ugarte in 12 months' time.
we did go for an alternative though
and they haven't lowered the price either
aside from that spot on
Why are folks so sure we'll be in for Wharton? I'm not saying we won't, but have we made any noises to that effect?
Are there any DLPs available out there? If not we are restricted to Ugarte.
He might unlock Lingard!
Regardless of not wanting to overpay, it will be more costly for the rest of the season if the club doesn't get this over the line before the deadline.
Believe it when I see it!
Would it just be purchase to "upgrade?" The two deeper midfield options we have at the moment are Mainoo and Casemiro. The only other options are McTominay, who can't play there, and Collyer who we are looking to bed in.
Next season it is not unlikely that McTominay and Casemiro have left the club. So buying another midfielder wouldn't be "upgrading" but just providing another quality option in the squad. Not every purchase is a damnation of our current options.
1. We have been playing with a double-pivot midfield since basically the Arsenal home game at the end of last season
2. We have been only looking at double-pivot midfielders this summer to be paired with primarily Mainoo
3. Adam Wharton is probably the best suited player for that from the pool of players that are available now, or will become available on the market within the next 1-2 years. He's also English and of the country's biggest talents.
I'll be shocked if we aren't in for him when he leaves Palace.
We bought Di Maria for 59.6 mil and sold to PSG for 44.3mil!
He's from pretty close to the area, we've been interested before, he's the perfect fit for us long term and we have competent owners now who will try to get guys like this who have star potential. He's also friends with Mainoo now after the summer by many accounts.
A long term midfield of Wharton at the base of a 3, Ugarte providing ball winning and energy and Mainoo being free to provide the attacking creativity would be brilliant imo.
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