I don’t understand where this notion comes that Ugarte can’t pass. He is going to be surprise you this season if he joins us and he will be very helpful in starting our counter attacks with his long passes from deep. We don’t have to depend on Bruno everytime, who misplaces his fair share of passes btw. He ain’t no Scholes either.
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Based on the YT clips and stats, he seems to be proficient passer, he is no Kroos obviously but he is decent on the ball, he can move with the ball and make the right decisions, but I don't blame people for worrying because we suffered with the McFred combo and not being able to control a game and keeping hold of the ball.
McTominay can be made to look like prime Xavi on YT. I wouldn’t read much into it.
This is for posters like me that have not seen a lot of him;
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5711441/2024/08/20/manuel-ugarte-manchester-united-psg/
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5711441/2024/08/20/manuel-ugarte-manchester-united-psg/
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Pointless post.
All I meant was YT clips cant be used to judge a player’s performances over 90 mins.
People keep saying we have been devoid of good midfielders for so long but I vividly remember some claiming that the Matic, Pogba and Herrera axis was one of the best in the league. The season before last the Case-Eriksen midfield was hailed to be excellent. Unfortunately, our inability to build a good and sustainable XI and inconsistency from all our managers has left this impression that we have been getting by with horrendous midfield pairings. It's not a true reflection of the players we bought and the money we have spent on the position since Sir Alex left.
That happened like in 2018 for 2 months under Ole before the new manager bounce ended? Is 6 years not long enough?
I agree with Casemiro being good for 1 season but Erikson got massively found out where everyone could see how open we were with him on the field.
So we wait till January then comeback for a cheaper deal?
So looks like we wasted the whole window posturing only to pay what PSG were asking for anyways. Sigh. I'm just glad that it looks like we're getting a solid midfielder in at least. Hopefully he turns out to be better than advertised.
Next summer, we go for FDJ and Ederson to round out the midfield and then we can finally have a world class midfield group.
Next summer, we go for FDJ and Ederson to round out the midfield and then we can finally have a world class midfield group.
Net spend this summer is about 150M euros (after Ugarte) which is a plus compared to previous seasons. It is a lot of money cumulatively - hopefully it is a squad that doesn’t need another open heart surgery even if the manager changes.
Infused with Ji-Sung energy for that dawg in him
Edit: pun definitely not intended but I’ll roll with it!
Prime SAF lost out on young Michael Owen and had to eat humble pie when he first humiliated Leeds because they spent 18m for Rio only to spend the same amount of money he rated Wes for on Rio few years later. City spent 100m on Graelish while Real lost out on Yoro. No club is able to win every battle. We won many battles this summer (Yoro, our double deal with Bayern etc).
If we managed to get him then that's absolutely crazy because he's still far from his peak, is of good quality currently, good resale value even 3-4 years from now, plays a role that is quite rare in football, and PSG bought him not long ago (they don't need money and can just keep him if they want).
You could even say it's like destiny.
You could even say it's like destiny.
Before this season they don't count. Feck the glazers and their shitty board of directors anyway.
We should wait for the details before we declare this.
The price is far to high for such a limited player. Must be possible to find a number six with athleticism and stamina for a lower price. Maybe Licha has a brother?
If the €50 million is spread over 4-5 years then getting Ugarte on a loan with obligation is a fantastic bit of business especially FFP/PSR wise.
I don’t mind us taking more time on deals when it really benefits us financially and the old regime would have spent months ‘negotiating’ with PSG to just pay the original €70 million that PSG wanted.
You’d like to think with Ugarte being an initial loan we’d have another money for a left back now even if it’s another loan or on a free. Hermoso is on a free, Regulion is available and I think I read that Truffert would be available for £12 million as only has a year left on his contract.
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Ugarte 30, has a nice ring to it ;
Ffs it's Pilib. We'll never sign him now
I'm not sure why everyone is complaining so much about the price before he has kicked a ball for us.
People also thought we overpaid for Licha but no one cares about his transfer fee anymore.
I don't think we have grossly overpaid like we did with Antony for example.
If Ugarte joins and plays well no one will care if he cost 40 million or 50 million. If he flops then everyone will question the scouting regardless of the price.
A slight overpayment is fine but the main thing will be if he can deliver on the pitch.
People also thought we overpaid for Licha but no one cares about his transfer fee anymore.
I don't think we have grossly overpaid like we did with Antony for example.
If Ugarte joins and plays well no one will care if he cost 40 million or 50 million. If he flops then everyone will question the scouting regardless of the price.
A slight overpayment is fine but the main thing will be if he can deliver on the pitch.
Extremely reliable, not reliable but extremely reliable.
Does that mean it is close to factually or just short of unbelievably reliable?
A slight underpayment is a lot sweeter though.
We would have been in a much better place if we opted to get him last year instead of Mount for example and not wasting time on Amrabat.
Best post ever written on here.. I hope this will be post of the year.. You nail it here, its what its all about being proven right.. I bet that many here already hope he will flop, just like some hoped United would lose the Fa cup final, so they could be proven right about ETH..Really is fascinating seeing people chomping at the bit to proclaim players flops before they're even through the door...
The mentality of the modern fan needs studyingIt's like being proven right, even to the detriment of your team, has come to provide more of an endorphin release for some than seeing your club succeed.
Plainly telling people that they can't wait for failure simply to say I told you so, very strange way of 'supporting' a team...
I dont know if Ugarte is the right player, or if the price is too high, but for the first time since SAF we have some football people in charge of transfers and recruitment, therefore i trust them with this one.. Why have we cried for this in years, and when they finally arrive, we dont trust them, and trust some nobody on an internet forum more...
Again my issue is on the reputation needs to to change that's all, I want INEOS to build back our reputation, if the current situation means we overpay then we overpay, my hope is we don't overpay and move on to another option (if such option exists), we moved on from Jarrad, and at least Everton see Jarrad as an essential player, we managed to get De Ligt and Mazraoui on lower fees, PSG deem Ugarte as surplus to requirements yet they want to demand a high fee for him.
Christ, this isn't done yet!?
It was worth overpaying for Sancho at the time!? It obviously was not, because he flopped.
That’s my point: everyone’s entitled to an opinion about whether a player is good value or not, but the only way to know is to see how they do. The true assessment can only ever be made retrospectively.
And that is equally true when it comes to assessing the overall approach of the club to the transfer market right now under the new management and structure.
I love ex sporting players. Get it done
I'm replying to you in the Ugarte thread so as not to clutter up the transfer one.
You're not really making and logical sense here. If it includes difficult add-ons and we end up paying the full €60m then clearly it would be worth it as he'd have hit those milestones.
We have been operating better in the transfer market and our deals so far have been smart and we're plugging most of the gaps and upgrading the team where it needs it.
Why is this such a bad deal for you?
If he will be a great player for us, will it still be overpaying or are you going to stop crying about the fee then?
What makes you think you know better than one of the best and well known director of football in the world?
100%. Look at the players we've had in the last 2 or 3 years alone and we've not had an ounce of the potential out of it, largely because of the setup and the way we want to play quick transitions. Even the likes of Amrabat and Sabitzer have proven they can function in a well organised midfield, but they looked crap here because we turn it into a game of individual quality instead. It was the same under Ole too.
As a coach I don't believe Ten Hag values the sort of control in midfield that we crave. They're a functional position that contribute to quick transitions, or trying to recover from high positions to help defensively. I've never once thought our midfield outplayed another collectively, perhaps better individually. But this has been the case even when we have far better players in midfield, which is actually the case in 90% of games. Yet apparently we need even better players to control the midfield against the PL whipping boys.
We don’t even know what the deal struck might/is going to be yet (we’ll probably never know the intricacies, like with most transfers, so it’ll be hard to judge).
The club have shown a different approach to transfers this summer. They’ve stepped away from the Branthwaite when the demands were absurd, worked effectively to get seemingly good deals from Bayern for a double transfer (which is rare in itself) & bagged a player dubbed a generational talent from the clutches of the current European Champions.
A €5~€10m ‘overpayment’ for a player (in the eyes of some fans) pales into comparison when taking into account assembling the majority of our squad on reasonable salaries. Long term, the wage we pay our squad will have a much more significant impact on our spend ability rather than the headline transfer figure. If we sign this guy on around £150k pw (which might be a reasonable guess - INEOS seem to be working hard to bring down the wage bill), Casemiro will cost us over £10m more this year alone in wages.
With all that said, I’d advocate we just try to enjoy the players we bring in, and hope they come in and perform for us, without worrying too much about the fine details of how much they might be costing the club.
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Sure, we can retrospectively look at things and say Sancho was not worth his fee, but at the time many thought he was worth it, every transfer is a risk but some are considered good at the time due to the potential of the player.
I also think the current management can be judged on this summer transfers, and in my opinion, I think they are doing a good job, especially with the current signings and even if they overpay for Ugarte, I will still this this transfer window is a good one for INEOS
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