Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement
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I read they bought him for 60m euro when he had a release clause and felt they got a bargain. That's why they feel entitled to get at least what they paid for him.
If only we were a professional football club with data analytics, scouts and the rest of the required infrastructure.
Posts like the quoted make me laugh. Like the club hasn't done it's due diligence on the player in depth.
So not only have they deprived him of playing time, they deprived him of food as well! Fairly harsh.
Hope we don't end up paying that much. That is what they've been asking all along and if we wanted to pay that much we could have had him before the season started. Just feel that its overpaying considering his season at PSG and the fact that he is longer in their manager's plans and are looking to move him on after just one year.
£51m ffs...even 42 is already overpaying. Is the source reliable?
For PSG very reliable.
Your ignorance makes me laugh, considering much of the data says Ugarte isn't great in duels which was my entire point.
INEOS gimmick this summer has been spacing payments out, so maybe we're paying what they wanted but they've compromised on how the payments are spread.
It means two things, Pellistri is gone and McT is close to leaving.
Those two can cover half his fee and he's an upgrade so its great business.
I'm sure we thought we did our due diligence on Anthony also. Sometimes you still get it wrong though
4 years for 14m a season probably approximately and lower wages so we end up saving money over his contract.
Would have preferred a better deal but can’t fault us for not trying. Even if we end up paying €60m, it’s not a crazy price at the end of the day. Getting him is the main priority with season already started and transfer window closing in 10 days so I’m not complaining at all.
Luis Enrique is a bit of a weird one, he obviously wasnt the player for the system he played, if youve watched enriques teams over the years hes the polar opposite to his style of play. It was a weird one to begin with and very likely a PSG signing over a manager signing. I mean he joined like 1 day after Enrique did.
Just because a manager doesnt think you fit the style of play doesn't automatically make you a shit player - he was incredible at Sporting, literally 1 year ago. He's also very good for Uruguay
Takes two seconds to not make yourself look like an idiot.
Above shows a comparison of Ugarte to the other "top" DM's in the league (Included Casemiro's "good" season), along with another player who could have been a potential DM target for us. Ugarte (as I said before) presses like a maniac but loses out on duels more than any of the rest of them, and isn't really going to contribute much outside of his defensive work. He's also not giving you any sort of aerial presence either, which on it's own isn't a huge deal but when mixed with him being hit or miss in 50/50's tends to raise more red flags.
He's a limited player, especially in possession. PSG bought him for the same amount, 51m, one year ago and he's an unwanted player for them, and wasn't a starter. It's also doubtful that he has a long-term key role at United if he joins. 51m is also arguably paying over peak value for him. Not sure how you can try to justify this as "great business".
I really have no clue about this guy, so Im just very eager to see and really hopes he strengthns our midfield significantly!!
Takes two seconds to not make yourself look like an idiot.
Above shows a comparison of Ugarte to the other "top" DM's in the league (Included Casemiro's "good" season), along with another player who could have been a potential DM target for us. Ugarte (as I said before) presses like a maniac but loses out on duels more than any of the rest of them, and isn't really going to contribute much outside of his defensive work. He's also not giving you any sort of aerial presence either, which on it's own isn't a huge deal but when mixed with him being hit or miss in 50/50's tends to raise more red flags.
So this graph mainly shows what he doesn't excell in.. What DOES he excel in? What did he excel in at Sporting?
Never heard of him until a few weeks ago but fecking buzzing get in there just threw my phone at my nan
Still better than paying £25m for Sande Berge. Ugarte is younger, quicker, better tackler and has more fight in him.
@Valencia Shin Crosses What website does these types of graph/data?
Or base layers. In certain parts of Ireland starving can mean "very cold", as in "jeez it's starvin cold outside like".
He's an absolute demon in pressing (that's basically why his defensive actions are through the roof) and will make a ton of tackles in general every game. So my initial point was that IF he's winning a lot of those tackles and 50/50's then he'll be very solid for us. But if he finds that he's getting shrugged off often in the prem then you're getting a potential liability because he'll have vacated a ton of space behind him with the aggression he plays at. I think he's a more defensive version of Fred, but I'm not sure if that's exactly the type of midfielder you want as your main DM. It's really going to depend on the overall structure of the team.
Not really. Ugarte isn't worth much more than Berge, certainly not double.
Yeah exactly, why the feck did we negotiate for 2months then? If we were gonna end up caving in and paying up anyway. This reeks of Murtough era bullshit, really hope its like 50M+10M addons or something(ballon d'or clause)
He is worth Double what Berge is.
This is very much an all in on Ten Hag and his transition game signing. Which is a major statement of trust by the club given how few signs we have been given that his approach is likely to work long term.
A couple of bad months and this squad may have to be ripped to pieces under a new manager. Again.
Let us hope a corner has been turned.
A couple of bad months and this squad may have to be ripped to pieces under a new manager. Again.
Let us hope a corner has been turned.
He's a much better player than Berge and worth a lot more.
Negotiation involves a lot more than just overall fee.Yeah exactly, why the feck did we negotiate for 2months then? If we were gonna end up caving in and paying up anyway. This reeks of Murtough era bullshit, really hope its like 50M+10M addons or something(ballon d'or clause)
For fun I included Wharton on this one to show why those of us who've watched him a good bit rate him so highly and want him here (I know there's been recent sentiment that's he's way too overhyped). A mobile, very good passer who also thrives in his defensive work is the ideal partner for Mainoo in a midfield.
He is younger, faster, better tackler, better stamina and better dribbler. More shithousery and more fight in him than Berge. He has more European experience as well.
https://datamb.football/
Really nice for getting a visualization of players compared to their peers at each position. Only thing is they only have data from the past two seasons, so you won't be able to compare or look at anything further back than that. It's nice for confirming what your eyes might see during a game, or for making you take a second look at someone you've written off earlier as rubbish.
There's already a statsbomb one that covers his impact pretty well (and with better advanced data that you generally can't get with public data)
Takes two seconds to not make yourself look like an idiot.
Above shows a comparison of Ugarte to the other "top" DM's in the league (Included Casemiro's "good" season), along with another player who could have been a potential DM target for us. Ugarte (as I said before) presses like a maniac but loses out on duels more than any of the rest of them, and isn't really going to contribute much outside of his defensive work. He's also not giving you any sort of aerial presence either, which on it's own isn't a huge deal but when mixed with him being hit or miss in 50/50's tends to raise more red flags.
You're comparing different types of players. Of course someone like Onana wins a much higher percentage of duels, because he goes in for way, way less of them, because he is a sitting midfielder, not an aggressive, pressing ball winner.
Takes two seconds to not make yourself look like an idiot.
Above shows a comparison of Ugarte to the other "top" DM's in the league (Included Casemiro's "good" season), along with another player who could have been a potential DM target for us. Ugarte (as I said before) presses like a maniac but loses out on duels more than any of the rest of them, and isn't really going to contribute much outside of his defensive work. He's also not giving you any sort of aerial presence either, which on it's own isn't a huge deal but when mixed with him being hit or miss in 50/50's tends to raise more red flags.
Ugarte:
Onana:
Of course you're going to have a much higher percentage of challenges won if you only try to tackle 1.7 dribblers per 90 instead of 4.5.
The concern with Ugarte's relatively low duel winning percentage is best put into context by these numbers:
These are the numbers for Kante at Chelsea while he was unquestionably world class and arguably the best ball winner of all time. 43% win rate. Same as Ugarte, playing the same role.
He’s not signing for Ajax, mate
So not only is he not playing and is starving. He's also left cold and naked. This is just getting worse and worse.
Yeah another good one but basically shows the same thing I was initially mentioning: he's going to run and press like a madman and is very mobile but if he struggles in those 50/50's here that aggression will turn into a liability considering he's most likely going to anchor the midfield.
We'll see! INEOS really have seemed to have earmarked him from the get go as their main man for that spot all summer so they must really have a great idea of how exactly he'll fit into the team and perform, or else it'll look not great considering we are basically going to pay sticker price.
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