ETH and Utd not a great recent record of improving players, to the contrary we tend to tank them, Dalot is an exception and we almost did for him until ETH
Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement
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Think it’s absolutely guaranteed when you look at how our squad is currently setup contract wise, age wise, and talent wise.
Is is better for PSG if the deal goes through next year? Let’s round up the fee PSG paid for him to €50m. If they sell him now for say €50m then with his book value being €40m the profit is only “€10m” but if they sell for the same price next year the profit is €20m given his book value is €30m. Is the haggling from PSG to show more “profit” this year?
Fred had his qualities... But one of his most infuriating traits was to win the ball well, then instantly turn it back over.
Ugarte doesn't have that trait.
If we compare him to Fred,. Then yes there is similarities, but Ugarte is a vastly superior version.
"Pushing like crazy"
We are definitely getting an Ugarte out of this pursuit.
We are definitely getting an Ugarte out of this pursuit.
Prison Saint GermainPushing like crazyI always knew PSG was basically a prison
yeah, I mean our team post Casemiro - he could leave in the next week or so, but I doubt it.
I'm not sure why someone would make a "Last 25 duels" compilation and skip his last two games (which he played very well in) against good/known quantity opposition in Colombia and Brazil.
Instead, you get USA/Bolivia/Panama, a Mexico friendly and a few random Ligue 1 games.
Which means it also goes back far too many games for the number of duels he enters into per game.
My conclusion is the compiler just handpicked 25 duels fitting his narrative. Lowlights are people being human, at least with highlight clips they show you what someone CAN do and others couldn't dream of.
They have a lot of similar traits, same rioplatense school of defensive midfieldership and shithousing, but emerging under different football contexts.
Mascherano played at a time when the high press wasn't as much in vogue so you could find "differences" which have little to do with attributes/capability.
I see a lot of comments like "when he goes off on one chasing the ball and fails he will leave a gap. I'd sooner have a positionally sound midfielder sitting back and shielding"... Well, that's down to instructions and what the tactics call for.
Personally, I think Mascherano's passing was underrated. But then, it seems to be the exact same case with Ugarte so I'd rather not draw comparisons there because I have little hope of being interpreted properly.
That's until we dither for weeks on end while he has burnt his ships.
Question is whether Liverpool would swallow their pride more than the feasibility of him saying Yes to another approach.
Or... it's not a conspiracy and it was posted a couple of days after the Brazil game, and before the Colombia game had even taken place?
Players who go in to a lot of duels also lose a lot of duels. It doesn't have to be bias or cherrypicking. Ugarte's statline looks like this:
Casemiro's defensive numbers for 22/23 where he was arguably our best player looked very similar. If you're that aggressive about going into challenges, you're going to lose plenty of them no matter how good you are.
That's very clever
What a relief! He‘s pushing like crazy and the negotiations are advanced!
Where would we be without this guy?
No, he didn't, you can check for yourself. My conclusion is that you're biased.
Yeah he definitely won't be leaving now
I want this guy at 100% and playing in time for the Liverpool game.
CR7 is pushing his club to sign better players so they might sign him, the Saudi window close's a couple of weeks after ours doesnt it?
Still hoping there is a chance of him being in the stands for the scousers at home, accepted that he wouldn't be on the bench anyway as we know Erik likes to phase in
look...i want the lad to join United simply because he's a willing defender in the middle of the pitch which is something we don't have currently. That said, I am a bit shocked we haven't brought in someone else as well b/c clearly scott, case and eriksen are either on the way out or on their last legs
We need to break him out. The getaway car needs to be fast, something like a Bugarte Veyron
Hopefully we'll get this done by the end of the window, and he'll be available after the international break.
I was looking at who Uruguay play during that break, hoping they didn't have many games and that they'd only be friendlies - in the hope Ugarte might opt to miss them and settle in at his new club instead.
However they have 3 games - the last two being World Cup qualifiers. So while he may not bother with the first friendly, I imagine he'll mostly be away playing those qualifiers and only arriving back from South America a few days before our first league game after the break.
Still, I hope we at least have that 'problem', as it'll mean the deal finally went through!
I was looking at who Uruguay play during that break, hoping they didn't have many games and that they'd only be friendlies - in the hope Ugarte might opt to miss them and settle in at his new club instead.
However they have 3 games - the last two being World Cup qualifiers. So while he may not bother with the first friendly, I imagine he'll mostly be away playing those qualifiers and only arriving back from South America a few days before our first league game after the break.
Still, I hope we at least have that 'problem', as it'll mean the deal finally went through!
I don't think that's true at all.
Maguire, Dalot, Mainoo, Amad, Garnacho all have been improved or developed under ETH.
I don't see any players that have been "tanked" Under our current management. Rashford has remained his same unstable self, Case dipped last year likely due to age. Shaw has remained stable. Antony hasn't made the step up. Who exactly has ETH caused to regress?
'absolutely advanced' , i guess thats even better than 'advanced negotiations'
I too have just been pushing like crazy on the toilet. It must be a sign. Today’s the day!
How much crazy push does a crazy pusher push when pushing like crazy?
Casemiro is a starter for us currently. He's started off the season well, too. Absolutely no way he's leaving now, especially with ETH keen on keeping him. He's apparently motivated to stay and prove himself too, and doesn't want to leave Europe just yet.
His contract runs out in 2026 I think, so from a financial standpoint it doesn't even matter too much if he leaves now or in 12 months' time, either. Especially regarding Saudi interest. If they're willing to pay, let's say 30m for him now, that'll probably still be the case in 2025.
Reverse Di Maria.
I think playing poker with oil club may not work. They have bottomless pit and has no qualms to let Ugarte rot in reserve.
PSG want 52 and we value him at 42. Maybe go with 47 to close the deal.
Either that or it's time to move on to our next target.
PSG want 52 and we value him at 42. Maybe go with 47 to close the deal.
Either that or it's time to move on to our next target.
They have FFP to navigate
How much does selling a player they've just bought 12 months ago help? Especially if it's for a cut-price fee.
Fantastic
Top tier for PSG!
Nice!
Ugarte believe!
60m euros....isnt that what PSG have wanted since the beginning? If thats the case then it appears we have given them what they wanted.
Depends how it's structured. Maybe we agreed to pay it in a better structure for us.
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