What's this all about Case's all around erratic play at the moment? These last two matches against City and Fulham he's been our best player and was named to the PL's team of the week. What are you even talking about? Give the guy a break.
Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
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What's this all about Case's all around erratic play at the moment? These last two matches against City and Fulham he's been our best player and was named to the PL's team of the week. What are you even talking about? Give the guy a break.
Hopefully none of them get injured otherwise we have no cover for the CDM role.
I'd like Rabiot as someone who plays as the left-sided #8 in a 4-3-3, or the #8 behind a #6 in a double-pivot, so that Mainoo doesn't have to play 60 games this season. Good rotation or even competition for Kobbie. It's important both with him and Garnacho that they don't get burned out in the early years of their career IMO.
Ugarte on the other hand would be coming in as the #6 in a double-pivot.
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I keep forgetting about Collyer, who may well prove to be useful this season, good point. If he's got potential to grow into the team I'd be wanting to see him get opportunities rather than having his growth stunted.
We need more technically proficient players in midfield, so I'm not too concerned about McTominay leaving. We also need legs, so the same with Eriksen. Mount has a role, but I think he should be spelling Bruno to be honest, especially in games where we need a coherent front press. All that aside, my main concern is making sure Mainoo has adequate cover.
Bruno, I'm not so sure about as I think his play is largely quick passing from a relatively static point, that he is mostly a player who receives the ball then looks to pass rather than move with it. He also tends to operate best in more space than he may get deeper. But I may be wrong there, well have to see if it happens.
I'm confident with the Will Fish and Facundo sales we have the money for a 10m loan fee with an obligation to buy clause inserted. For me the big hold up on this deal is the haggling over the total fee. Most likely the 2 clubs will meet in the middle at around 50m euros + 5m in add ons.
What also gives me confidence this deal gets over the line is that when INEOS have a target like Dan Ashworth that they really want they tend to negotiate hard but ultimately get their man. I'm confident it'll be the same story with Ugarte.
What also gives me confidence this deal gets over the line is that when INEOS have a target like Dan Ashworth that they really want they tend to negotiate hard but ultimately get their man. I'm confident it'll be the same story with Ugarte.
I would love it if he did, I'm just sceptical that will happen. If he plays well I'll be happy for him and the team; if he doesn't, well I just won't be surprised.
I know things get blown out of proportion on message boards, but personally I'm not screaming he is awful or the worst player ever, I just expect his good performances to be infrequent based upon his age, the wear on his legs, his reckless play at times (which has been evident in all his time here) and his performances last year. I don't think that's particularly out there? I don't know. Maybe it is.
I’d take a punt on Toney. The guys available and experienced in the premier league. It obviously isn’t happening anytime soon now though as we’ve invested in 2 potential ST
Jesus Christ. How??
What would you pay for him out of interest?
This can't be serious
Good post.
Lets add Brighton, Newcastle and West Ham too.
Let's not go too far now haha
Calling Henderson elite feels a bit far, but as usual people seem to miss the obvious fact there is a middle ground between elite and rubbish.
So Henderson was shit, but we should sign Ugarte, who then clearly must be much better than Henderson was.
In what areas though?
In what areas though?
I just hope we can sign him this week. Signing him on deadline day means we lose him straight away for 2 weeks on international duty.
It’s a little more complicated that saying he was a shit player. I think he was more of a system player. He was meh at Sunderland, shit for his first couple of years at Pool, shit for England but under Klopps system he did very well. Even in his “peak” if you took him out of Liverpool he wouldn’t have done well.
This is sort of perfectly annoying. Almost guaranteed how the cookie will crumble.That is one way to read his career, you could also say that he was a kid at Sunderland, Had 10 great years at Liverpool and was a key part of one of England most successful international periods.
System player? Maybe, but he had an exceptional engine, quick, aggressive and agile and was much better on the ball than many give him credit for.
If Ugarte is as good as him he will be a hell of a player for Utd.
And then gets injured knowing our luck
Hahaha you beat me to it!
Fair point. I’m willing to admit I might of exaggerated a little. But I don’t rate Henderson… and the point I was trying to make was you don’t need to be elite to help your team win trophies/titles. You just need to be good in a certain role and position in a good system.
Henderson wasn‘t shit. Prime Henderson would be great for us right now: hard working, good on the ball, a real engine.
Ugarte is an elite ball winner and tidy on the ball: exactly what we need to win the ball back and keep it in the team.
Breathing through his nose.
I seen that they wanted 60m. That would have been worth spending if it’s the difference between finishing top 4 and not.
He clearly wasn’t meh at Sunderland. SAF was looking at him for us, but neglected to push the deal through because he was in his horse loving phase and had what turned out to be unfounded concerns over Hendersons “gait” possibly being a cause of future injuries.
I like the kid. If we do get him, I'm gonna stick my neck out and say that by Xmas, he will be one of the first names on team sheet.
SAF looked at a lot of players. Didn’t mean we signed them nor has every transfer he made worked out.
Have a feeling this is a non runner despi. Hope I'm wrong.
I think he will be Similar to Lisandro . That bit of Bite and Steel will make fans love him
You say he was meh, SAF rated him, you do you I suppose, but I’m fairly sure whose appraisal of a player I’m more likely to trust. Especially given the career he went on to have.
He also rated Stevan Defour and sent him a letter when he was injured and in the hospital. Did we sign Defour? Did he go on to have a good career?
SAF also signed Bellion, Bebe, Djemba Djemba and Liam Miller amongst others that weren't good enough.
My point is even the great SAF can make mistakes.
A loan with obligation to buy is basically this no?
Henderson was far from awful, but he’s an excellent reminder that good players can be elevated way beyond what most thought they were capable of when played within a team that works. He was at the right club, under the right manager, at the right time.
Loan with obligation to buy for 45m + 10m add-ons, who says no?
Burt has good connections at PSG. This is very much on
Nope. That's literally giving them what they want. If we wanted to pay that much that he would have been here weeks ago. What's the point in dragging the deal for weeks and then end up paying what they are asking anyways? I hope we don't do that.
United, apparently.
So do I but there has been pretty much zero links to any club for what seems like weeks now
I do get the impression that psg, mendes and the player are all more keen to do this deal than United themselves are
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