The number one problem with our midfielders (bar Mainoo) is they don't complete their passes at a high rate and give the ball away almost at will. This guy does not. And on top of that he wins the ball back better than just about any midfielder on the planet. Opposite of a headless chicken to me.
Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement
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So much depends on us getting this guy now.
We've done our best to fix our back line, with defenders who can play a high line, implement a press and contribute more in possession. We now need this guy to shore up our CDM.
We have three midfielders in Erikson, Mount and Hannibal who have all looked poor in our midfield and most would want rid of them.
However in a high press with someone as strong as Ugarte there I reckon they could fulfil a useful squad roles as alternate 8s and 10s. Maybe not all of them but some of them.
We're also likely to see better product from Anthony with s stronger back line, and with a RB he has played significant minutes with elsewhere but that's really for another thread.
We've done our best to fix our back line, with defenders who can play a high line, implement a press and contribute more in possession. We now need this guy to shore up our CDM.
We have three midfielders in Erikson, Mount and Hannibal who have all looked poor in our midfield and most would want rid of them.
However in a high press with someone as strong as Ugarte there I reckon they could fulfil a useful squad roles as alternate 8s and 10s. Maybe not all of them but some of them.
We're also likely to see better product from Anthony with s stronger back line, and with a RB he has played significant minutes with elsewhere but that's really for another thread.
I don’t get it though, the guy is injured. His foot was literally pointing backwards. I wouldn’t be spending 50p on him never mind millions, till he’s proven he’s fixed and over it. And I say that as one of the train conductors from the first yearWhat? Pfft! Because muppets gonna muppet. Duh!
INEOS seem pretty poor at creating drawn out sagas, so we need to create our own out of nothing at all.
I don't even care about FDJ to be honest and never properly watched him enough to rate him. I do emember Super Fred taking him to the cleaners though (obviously just over 2 games). Anyways, point is that's not what this is about. It's basically about needed a hugely dramatic "muppetting" project to unite us all (whether it has any chance of succeeding or not
)Summed up well. We just can't keep the ball which put huge pressure on a mediocre backline . It was so frustrating to watch last season
For the excitement, the disapointment, the false hopes - got to be done till the window closes. Muppeteering is an art form.
We have been over this, but this is a nice chart showing Ugarte is good at keeping possession in addition to being a bulldawg terrier. We need both those things.
Progressive passers we have: Bruno, Mainoo, Mount and probably Collyer.
Ugarte could be a starter for us for many years. Destroyers like him are underrated. He is more secure on the ball than Fred, a massive upgrade on him.
I‘m reminded of Marten de Roon at Atalanta, who is essential for them.
So to summarise this:
- He's desperate to come here
- PSG don't want him despite signing him a year ago
- He's not been included in their first match-day squad and doesn't appear to be in their plans for the season.
And yet they are still trying to recoup their entire fee. This is one of the weakest bargaining positions I've seen in a while.
- He's desperate to come here
- PSG don't want him despite signing him a year ago
- He's not been included in their first match-day squad and doesn't appear to be in their plans for the season.
And yet they are still trying to recoup their entire fee. This is one of the weakest bargaining positions I've seen in a while.
You must be very hard to impress if you think whopping pass completion rate of 91.2% is "average"
U garte be kidding me
I think a deal for him could be the difference between CL and EL qualification for you.
LB most likely, imo.
This is exactly what happened when we sold them di Maria to be fair.
Interesting thread:
The guy is not keen on Ugarte and states the reasons why. I tend to agree about Ugarte always seeming like he's chasing players from being. Guess we'll see.
The guy is not keen on Ugarte and states the reasons why. I tend to agree about Ugarte always seeming like he's chasing players from being. Guess we'll see.
For £10m or so less than what we paid for him, no?
Manuel Uruguay from Ugarte will be rocking up in Manchester soon enough.
In and around yeah, I'd expect us to get something similar done in this case.
I reckon the supposed Sancho interest is just a tactic from PSG. They’re not keen to commit to linking the players in a deal but they’re basically trying to hint that if United pay what they want, they will come in for him.
Let me fix that list for you:
- He is passionate to join United and neither thinks he is too good for us, like certain Frenkie did, nor is a money merchant like certain Rabiot
- PSG don't want him because they just bought Joao Neves who they delusionally think is next Ballon d'Or winner. Also they think being "just" a defensive monster is limited skill and not enough, and they want a versatile CDM, while DMF is exactly what we want since we have Mainoo and Bruno for versatility
- He is close to being sold and they are not including him in the squad to not get him injured, meaning negotiations are serious and this is not just some eye-candy story to distract fans
They are trying to recoup entire fee because they know he is good player, but United now have cold-blooded negotiators who have not let Bayern overcharge us and won't let PSG either
I meant all the things I said in a positive way for Utd. I was only criticising PSG's audacious attempt to demand the full fee they paid.
The more I see of him, the less I'm impressed. I'm not sure his defensive abilities will translate well to the PL.
ah ok, fair enough!
Yes, but oil club.
Watching this video, it doesn't really reflect negatively on him for me; while he may not have won the ball in too many of the duels, there are plenty that he disrupts the opposition player enough to allow a teammate to win the ball, and others where he makes sure they don't break through by taking the foul - that's the kind of cynicism we were missing a lot last season.
Thank God we have professional scouts, data, and highly experienced director of football and technical director making decisions, rather than some fan who just watched 2 minute clips online
Don't think Mainoo and Collyer are progressive passers at all. Bruno is, Mount kinda but not good enough. Casemiro is more of a progressive passer than Mainoo, Collyer and Mount I'd say.
An Ugarte/Mainoo combo, would make me a bit unsure.
The more I see of him should be an indication it's more than 2 minutes but you're right, we should close the forums and not comment on anything the experts do.
In the bag this one, get the cigars out lads.
The more I see of him, the more I really want us to sign him. He will be an amazing midfield partner for Mainoo, he ia aggressive, constantly pressing, passing looks okay, does some great south american shithousing, just what we need.
I think it depends on what you define as being a progressive passer. Mainoo and Mount definitely progress the ball.
Casemiro plays more long progressive passes but also gives it away a lot.
The jury is out on Collyer.
Football twitter fans go out of their way to just make up these weird convoluted phrases to describe players. Gives them a sense of importance.
Reading all these posts about progressive passes makes me want to head to the dentist and get some teeth taken out
Smacks of
“I don’t understand football from a playing perspective, as I’ve never stepped onto a pitch. But if I parrot some bollix what the analysts on telly spout it will make me sound credible”
Bleak
I just hope we manage to get him for way lower than the reported 50m asking price, if we're so hellbent on getting him.
I don't think people realize how much we're shooting ourselves in the foot if we pay that much for a player (as well as 120-150k/week probably), who doesn't have a long-term starting or key role in our project. Yes, he raises the floor of the current squad, but there are several 20-30m players as well who can do that.
I don't think people realize how much we're shooting ourselves in the foot if we pay that much for a player (as well as 120-150k/week probably), who doesn't have a long-term starting or key role in our project. Yes, he raises the floor of the current squad, but there are several 20-30m players as well who can do that.
Ya we definitely need another cm, we won’t be achieving anything with the current options.
This is the most frustrating thing about the transfer window.
It seems obvious this will get sorted, at the end of the window the clubs must look back and think why did we waste months of everyone's time only to agree a deal that could have been agreed on day 1 of negotiations.
Na Neves is class
Maybe a future Ballon d’Or winner bit far fetched but he’s got amazing potential
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