Rice is the best #6 in the world. What exactly are you on about?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran are here to talk about a frustrating 2 points dropped at Crystal Palace. They then discuss the regeneration of Old Trafford. Finally, Nik is joined by special guest Michael Statham from the Football Oranje podcast - who gives us a more in depth look at our EL opposition FC Twente, and then runs through the (many) Dutch connections currently at United.
Rice is the best #6 in the world. What exactly are you on about?
No, he isn't.
Who is, then?
So is it a worryingly poor debut or not then? You seem confused.
Rodri, by a billion miles as well.
Rodri has the fraction of the defensive responsibilities of other defensive midfielders at other top clubs, Rice included. Has been basically playing as an #8 for City for more than 2 seasons now. He's one of the best #8s out there, potentially the best, but needs a lot of protection and defensive help. Defensively, Rice is easily better than Rodri. And probably a better ball carrier too, but going forward, Rodri is obviously in ahead of most other aspects.
One of the weirdest things about this forum is peoples eagerness to stick the boot in on new signings
no Rodri is just absolutely better in every way.
Rodri made, on average, 7,21 ball recoveries per 90 min in the PL in 23/24. Declan Rice is at 4,97 in the same period of time.
On average Man City makes 45,6 recoveries per 90 min. In other words, Rodri makes 15,8 pst of team average. Arsenal makes 46,1 per 90 minutes. Rice, in other words, was at 10,8 pst of his team average.
The wannabehipster notion that Rodri is not a 6 is funny considering how often Rice was, in fact, not a 6 for Arsenal. The fact that Rodri is less responsible without the ball than Rice is just factually wrong.
Rodri, obviously. Rice doesn't even play as a 6 half the time.
He's world class for sure but best in world is quite high praise. I didn't think he shone in the euros, but then nobody in the England team did.
Definitely not worryingly poor. He did a lot of things right but it was also clear that his timely on defensive challenges was off. I'd personally put it down to new league and a of preseaon.
Stop talking about Rodri he is 28. According to caf in 2 years he wont be able to run.
Based on Casemiro's age curve it's 3 years. Case was 31 last season. So yeah, not too far off.
Mate they said that Maguire is better than Martinez defensively in another thread.
Casemiro and Rodri are quite different midfielders, and basing it on Casemiro's curve is irrelevant. You could also say based on Carrick, Fernandinho or Busquets' curve, which are more likely to be Rodri's curve than Casemiro's, but it's impossible to predict either way.
I’m in agreement. Just curious why said poster said it was a worryingly poor debut, suggested it wasn’t, then again suggested it was.
They seem very confused.
Palace away is a good game to see how well he performs.
I am looking forward to it.
I am looking forward to it.
Rice didn't play as a #6 for Arsenal all that much last season either, to be fair.
Are you the guy that thinks Maguire is a better defender than Martinez too?
Rice isn’t even half the player Rodri is.
It's the same new age shite you get on X and social media in general.
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Please tell me he is starting tonight.
He is starting tonight
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Crystal Palace 0:0 Man Utd
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Bit of a worrying cameo from him today. Got caught on the ball a couple of times and refused to pass forwards.
If you watch the game he passed forward of numerus occasions
He made 14 passes two for Bruno, the rest to our defenders. You could probably argue that four of 14 moved forward. But none really progressive.
I dont think we ended the match particularly well so it was hard to shine. Palace weren't exactly ambitious going forward by that point either. Hard to say much from it that wasn't immediately obvious.
Not every pass needs to be progressive though, and where he tended to receive the ball, a simple side or back pass was probably the best option.
When he received the ball in more space, he turned, carried and passed.
The way I saw it was when he came on Palace stopped being a threat and that Ugarte was extremely reliable and efficient when he got the ball... Don't think he refused to pass forwards, I think it was a problem with our whole team in the 2nd half. Palace changed their press to load up the middle and we just didn't adapt to give proper options wide to get around it, so we couldn't pass through the middle.
It's who he is as a player, don't expect much forward passing. He excels at other things
This. It amuses me when he is described as the best holding midfield player in the world - he’s so inept in that role that City had to pull defenders into the midfield to compensate for and protect him, whereas Fernandinho used to do the job on his own.
As you rightly point out, he’s a more advanced midfielder these days and has risen to prominence as a result.
Never knee jerk judge. Remember Evras first games and getting hooked.
I will judge this guy after 3-4 starts
I will judge this guy after 3-4 starts
Should start Wednesday, let's see how he looks over 90 mins.
You think defenders step into the midfield for city to protect Rodri? You are lost. Rodri had the most ball recoveries in the premier league as an outfield player last season.
City step defenders into midfield to create overloads to allow them to progress the ball better. The tactic is to aid attack, not what you're suggesting. How would a defender out of position leaving space be a better for ball recovery than holding your shape?
Bloody hell, the Caf never ceases to amaze me with some wild opinions.
Aye! Have a go at the number 6 for not passing forward enough. Strange one.