6 months later Mourinho gets sacked, Caf complains about under-investment, how we should do a total revamp, give to the new manager his own players and spend another 500m. Rinse and repeat!
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No world was Toby going to cost 80m, get a grip. Willian at 90 too, madness. We were right to not buy Sandro after Juve had effectively put him on the transfer list.
Not if you include players in the deal
Even if Mourinho wasn’t to get sacked, he’s not exactly known for sticking around is he? I can understand why people behind the scenes might be cautious regarding his buys at this stage of his reign.
Well that's the impasse . He could be trusted to bring fecking noodle partner onboard but not a good football manager. Thats the reason for calling him to step down from the footballing side and just hire a DOF to do it. It's clear that Ed does not have a football vision or how our club had perceived it to be.
Why is this dwarf twat still in charge of conducting transfer business? feck him off to sort out shite Vodka partners and get someone in who knows what they’re doing.
Most likely those players would’ve cost half of what you quoted or thereabouts.
Around 140-150m pounds would’ve been enough. If you add Fred and Dalot it would mean around 200m which shouldn’t be a problem to us.
What are you talking about. Have you ever heard of Daniel Levy. He would have wanted him to be the most expensive player in the world even though he cost £25m next summer. Unfortunately for the transfer heads unless he cost around £45m it would not have made business sense. Barcelona walked away from Willian after being quoted over £70m what makes you think us as a rival would have got him cheaper? That fact you called £90m madness what do you think Ed said when he got quoted a price.
Well the alternative is to support Mou in the marketplace, which we clearly aren't doing - so which do you prefer?
Leaving it here
The manager is pretty much always a decision made by the most senior executive, not by DoF. Having a DoF (or a DoF like structure) is imperative though. The more people who are good at this, the better for us.
Well said mate.
Half? £70m documented for Willian to go to Barcelona. Where have you got half from? Sandro was listed for sale but still overly expensive. I’m not saying Ed has done a good job but let’s be real we get ripped off. How much did they say for Boateng £50m? But Levy is letting Alderweireld fit for £40m? No wonder why your so pi$s*d you don’t have a realistic view of how much these players cost.
Isn't that him saying clubs buying players on the final day are badly run?
Not that we should be taking too many cues from a man Ferguson said 'wakes up angry every morning looking for an argument' or words to that effect.
We didn’t sign no one or deadline day though lol. So put it in the football forum thread.
Although i don't like many of his methods and tactical stubbornness i would have still given Mourinho something to compete with in the window. Regardless of poor style he can get results and he did manage to beat all 19 teams in the league last season, so clearly consistency was our issue and Jose would have sorted that out with some efficiency in both boxes.
Having a long term vision when we think more than 6 months ahead, don't panic buy, don't have an extra large squad but instead have only great to world class players and young players with World class potential, spend big on players who will either be here for a decade or at least we can recuperate the money we spent on them, and playing attacking football. Essentially, emulate Real Madrid of Perez second spell, not Real Madrid between 2004 and until Perez came back.
Something that isn't achieved neither in a transfer window, nor by signing Alder and Willian. That would have been just treating the syndromes, not finding the cure.
We tried the fast solution by throwing money to everyone since winter of 2014 and it has lead us nowhere. Continuing to do so will lead us nowhere.
DoF would be consulted though, and in cases where the senior executive has less knowledge, would likely be leaned upon.
We were scrambling to. That's the consequence of poor planning and we didn't even get it done.
They are creating a bad atmosphere here. Jose wanted more players, they either never intended getting them or failed to do it, he will get on with it until the first hiccup and then he will start get agitated. Then he is on a collision course with the board and the players are caught in the crossfire. How can any of this be good for United?
Agree. Which is why I have been advocating for a DoF since Fergie left. Woodward needs to delegate more and United has a lack of people who have been involved with football and have real power. Essentially, it is just the manager, Ed and his team and related super-agents. If you look at the likes of Bayern for example, they have quite many people with football knowledge involved in big decisions instead of just 1 (like us), and the big signings aren't made exclusively based on wishes of a manager which might nor be in the club 3 months layer.
So the media say. I’m sure as Mourinho said earlier today. No deals coming in. So where was the scrambling?
I don't understand you lot...
Dalot, Bailly, Lindelof, Matic, Pogba, Fred, Sanchez, Lukaku. This is Mourinho's signings. 8 out of 11 starters.
His job is to find a left back and a winger in the squad and make him ready for the first team and that's it, a full '11'. Actually those two positions are Luke Shaw and Martial who under any given other manager would improve instantly.
Baffles me to hear board have let you down when Mourinho has brought an entire '11'. Does it necessarily have to be a full line up consisting of 11 out of 11 new signings before Mourinho admits he is ready to at least try to challenge for something other than Community Shield and League Cup?
Of course the board is reluctant to invest anymore, they have pumped tons into transfer amounts and salaries and frankly Bournemouth play more attractive than you...
Not a wum although I'm a Chels but you simply can't deny the facts... Watch Emery this season, he'll play a more entertaining brand of football than Mourinho although he is left over with Wenger's signings.
Dalot, Bailly, Lindelof, Matic, Pogba, Fred, Sanchez, Lukaku. This is Mourinho's signings. 8 out of 11 starters.
His job is to find a left back and a winger in the squad and make him ready for the first team and that's it, a full '11'. Actually those two positions are Luke Shaw and Martial who under any given other manager would improve instantly.
Baffles me to hear board have let you down when Mourinho has brought an entire '11'. Does it necessarily have to be a full line up consisting of 11 out of 11 new signings before Mourinho admits he is ready to at least try to challenge for something other than Community Shield and League Cup?
Of course the board is reluctant to invest anymore, they have pumped tons into transfer amounts and salaries and frankly Bournemouth play more attractive than you...
Not a wum although I'm a Chels but you simply can't deny the facts... Watch Emery this season, he'll play a more entertaining brand of football than Mourinho although he is left over with Wenger's signings.
Aye 'well said'. Comparing Woodward to a cancer is totally normal.
I thought he called him a chancer. Either way, it’s a poor state of affairs but I’m not expecting us to have as bad of a season as most are expecting us to have tbh.
I suppose Atletico saying we contacted them about Godin, but that depends when it actually happened. Love players using us to get a new contract. Who'd have thought it?
Preaching to the choir my friend.
The standard collateral damage will be Martial Shaw Pogba May be Rashford and then if Sanchez Fails then him as well. Other workhorses and poor defenders will again escape from criticism.
I posted this in the Twitter thread but maybe its place is here.
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Manager was confident he'd get atleast one over the line until a couple of days right? Today he was like "That fecker Ed isn't gonna bring in anyone" . Anyway, everything points to a poorly planned window.
I don't really know who to blame here, but I'm gonna go with the board losing faith with Mourinho.
Ed Woodward must have people who advise him, who must know football.
He sees Mourinho, somebody who wants to invest money in older players (Not saying this is totally a bad thing) and doesn't want to give players who the club see as the future chances.
I'd go as far as saying Ed is happy enough to spend money on the players Mourinho wants, but at a price they want to pay. At the end of the day, Toby has one year left on his contract before he has a £25m buyout clause. The reported figure they want right now is 65m, and he would have little resale value at this point.
Maguire on the other hand, I'd say Ed was willing to spend more on, but it seemed Leicester did not want to sell.
You have to think, would getting Toby win us the league? I really don't think so, we'd still need more. So why sign somebody with 3 or so good years in him when Maguire could do a similar job for 7 or so.
You have to just look at Mourinho to see the problems he causes.
He's isolated Martial and by the looks of it Pogba also. These are two players United want to build around, yet Mourinho have them wanting to leave. (Pogba may be speculation, but there seems to be to much of it in my opinion)
If I was a footballer, I'd look at how we play and United right now (If I wasn't a fan) wouldn't be high up on my list of places I'd prefer to go.
Mourinho just has a negative aura.
In pre season he did nothing but complain. He sits in press conferences questioning why anybody would want to watch friendlies. We may all think it, but he actually comes out and says it, it's pathetic. Same goes with his comments after the Sevilla match. Saying stuff he shouldn't.
I don't know what happens behind closed doors obviously, but if I was the board, I'd be sick of Mourinho. Last thing I'd want to do is invest big money on shorter type transfers.
Rant over (Yes I am in the, I don't want Mourinho as our manager corner)
Ed Woodward must have people who advise him, who must know football.
He sees Mourinho, somebody who wants to invest money in older players (Not saying this is totally a bad thing) and doesn't want to give players who the club see as the future chances.
I'd go as far as saying Ed is happy enough to spend money on the players Mourinho wants, but at a price they want to pay. At the end of the day, Toby has one year left on his contract before he has a £25m buyout clause. The reported figure they want right now is 65m, and he would have little resale value at this point.
Maguire on the other hand, I'd say Ed was willing to spend more on, but it seemed Leicester did not want to sell.
You have to think, would getting Toby win us the league? I really don't think so, we'd still need more. So why sign somebody with 3 or so good years in him when Maguire could do a similar job for 7 or so.
You have to just look at Mourinho to see the problems he causes.
He's isolated Martial and by the looks of it Pogba also. These are two players United want to build around, yet Mourinho have them wanting to leave. (Pogba may be speculation, but there seems to be to much of it in my opinion)
If I was a footballer, I'd look at how we play and United right now (If I wasn't a fan) wouldn't be high up on my list of places I'd prefer to go.
Mourinho just has a negative aura.
In pre season he did nothing but complain. He sits in press conferences questioning why anybody would want to watch friendlies. We may all think it, but he actually comes out and says it, it's pathetic. Same goes with his comments after the Sevilla match. Saying stuff he shouldn't.
I don't know what happens behind closed doors obviously, but if I was the board, I'd be sick of Mourinho. Last thing I'd want to do is invest big money on shorter type transfers.
Rant over (Yes I am in the, I don't want Mourinho as our manager corner
)I don't really know who to blame here, but I'm gonna go with the board losing faith with Mourinho.
Ed Woodward must have people who advise him, who must know football.
He sees Mourinho, somebody who wants to invest money in older players (Not saying this is totally a bad thing) and doesn't want to give players who the club see as the future chances.
I'd go as far as saying Ed is happy enough to spend money on the players Mourinho wants, but at a price they want to pay. At the end of the day, Toby has one year left on his contract before he has a £25m buyout clause. The reported figure they want right now is 65m, and he would have little resale value at this point.
Maguire on the other hand, I'd say Ed was willing to spend more on, but it seemed Leicester did not want to sell.
You have to think, would getting Toby win us the league? I really don't think so, we'd still need more. So why sign somebody with 3 or so good years in him when Maguire could do a similar job for 7 or so.
You have to just look at Mourinho to see the problems he causes.
He's isolated Martial and by the looks of it Pogba also. These are two players United want to build around, yet Mourinho have them wanting to leave. (Pogba may be speculation, but there seems to be to much of it in my opinion)
If I was a footballer, I'd look at how we play and United right now (If I wasn't a fan) wouldn't be high up on my list of places I'd prefer to go.
Mourinho just has a negative aura.
In pre season he did nothing but complain. He sits in press conferences questioning why anybody would want to watch friendlies. We may all think it, but he actually comes out and says it, it's pathetic. Same goes with his comments after the Sevilla match. Saying stuff he shouldn't.
I don't know what happens behind closed doors obviously, but if I was the board, I'd be sick of Mourinho. Last thing I'd want to do is invest big money on shorter type transfers.
Rant over (Yes I am in the, I don't want Mourinho as our manager corner
If what you said is correct (which I highly doubt it is) - why not just sack him and be done with it?
If there's any truth in that, it would appear that Jose's days are numbered. They're either going with "no value in the market" or it's an attempt to force Jose out by not backing him.
Signed more sponsors than players.
Burn the witch.
Burn the witch.
They must have had these doubts after last season and if it is true he gave them his list of wanted players in April, why stick with him? All they have done is created a potentially ugly situation which could leave the club in trouble. Maybe not so much league position, but fans unhappy with the style of play and him falling out with players again, as any bad results will be their fault or Ed's.I don't really know who to blame here, but I'm gonna go with the board losing faith with Mourinho.
Ed Woodward must have people who advise him, who must know football.
He sees Mourinho, somebody who wants to invest money in older players (Not saying this is totally a bad thing) and doesn't want to give players who the club see as the future chances.
I'd go as far as saying Ed is happy enough to spend money on the players Mourinho wants, but at a price they want to pay. At the end of the day, Toby has one year left on his contract before he has a £25m buyout clause. The reported figure they want right now is 65m, and he would have little resale value at this point.
Maguire on the other hand, I'd say Ed was willing to spend more on, but it seemed Leicester did not want to sell.
You have to think, would getting Toby win us the league? I really don't think so, we'd still need more. So why sign somebody with 3 or so good years in him when Maguire could do a similar job for 7 or so.
You have to just look at Mourinho to see the problems he causes.
He's isolated Martial and by the looks of it Pogba also. These are two players United want to build around, yet Mourinho have them wanting to leave. (Pogba may be speculation, but there seems to be to much of it in my opinion)
If I was a footballer, I'd look at how we play and United right now (If I wasn't a fan) wouldn't be high up on my list of places I'd prefer to go.
Mourinho just has a negative aura.
In pre season he did nothing but complain. He sits in press conferences questioning why anybody would want to watch friendlies. We may all think it, but he actually comes out and says it, it's pathetic. Same goes with his comments after the Sevilla match. Saying stuff he shouldn't.
I don't know what happens behind closed doors obviously, but if I was the board, I'd be sick of Mourinho. Last thing I'd want to do is invest big money on shorter type transfers.
Rant over (Yes I am in the, I don't want Mourinho as our manager corner
Why do these boards always go about things in a cowardly way? Why not just sack him, because he won't resign if that is what they are hoping.
I don't really know who to blame here, but I'm gonna go with the board losing faith with Mourinho.
Ed Woodward must have people who advise him, who must know football.
He sees Mourinho, somebody who wants to invest money in older players (Not saying this is totally a bad thing) and doesn't want to give players who the club see as the future chances.
I'd go as far as saying Ed is happy enough to spend money on the players Mourinho wants, but at a price they want to pay. At the end of the day, Toby has one year left on his contract before he has a £25m buyout clause. The reported figure they want right now is 65m, and he would have little resale value at this point.
Maguire on the other hand, I'd say Ed was willing to spend more on, but it seemed Leicester did not want to sell.
You have to think, would getting Toby win us the league? I really don't think so, we'd still need more. So why sign somebody with 3 or so good years in him when Maguire could do a similar job for 7 or so.
You have to just look at Mourinho to see the problems he causes.
He's isolated Martial and by the looks of it Pogba also. These are two players United want to build around, yet Mourinho have them wanting to leave. (Pogba may be speculation, but there seems to be to much of it in my opinion)
If I was a footballer, I'd look at how we play and United right now (If I wasn't a fan) wouldn't be high up on my list of places I'd prefer to go.
Mourinho just has a negative aura.
In pre season he did nothing but complain. He sits in press conferences questioning why anybody would want to watch friendlies. We may all think it, but he actually comes out and says it, it's pathetic. Same goes with his comments after the Sevilla match. Saying stuff he shouldn't.
I don't know what happens behind closed doors obviously, but if I was the board, I'd be sick of Mourinho. Last thing I'd want to do is invest big money on shorter type transfers.
Rant over (Yes I am in the, I don't want Mourinho as our manager corner
I don't agree on your point on Pogba though. Pogba has isolated himself with his lethargic performances last season. This season he has a much better partner to cover for his inability to cover the ground when off the ball and win back the possession. Pogba has all the attributes to become a Box to Box player but he is lazy off the ball and does not work harder to keep control of the midfield around him, although he did well in the world cup .
I don't really know who to blame here, but I'm gonna go with the board losing faith with Mourinho.
Ed Woodward must have people who advise him, who must know football.
He sees Mourinho, somebody who wants to invest money in older players (Not saying this is totally a bad thing) and doesn't want to give players who the club see as the future chances.
I'd go as far as saying Ed is happy enough to spend money on the players Mourinho wants, but at a price they want to pay. At the end of the day, Toby has one year left on his contract before he has a £25m buyout clause. The reported figure they want right now is 65m, and he would have little resale value at this point.
Maguire on the other hand, I'd say Ed was willing to spend more on, but it seemed Leicester did not want to sell.
You have to think, would getting Toby win us the league? I really don't think so, we'd still need more. So why sign somebody with 3 or so good years in him when Maguire could do a similar job for 7 or so.
You have to just look at Mourinho to see the problems he causes.
He's isolated Martial and by the looks of it Pogba also. These are two players United want to build around, yet Mourinho have them wanting to leave. (Pogba may be speculation, but there seems to be to much of it in my opinion)
If I was a footballer, I'd look at how we play and United right now (If I wasn't a fan) wouldn't be high up on my list of places I'd prefer to go.
Mourinho just has a negative aura.
In pre season he did nothing but complain. He sits in press conferences questioning why anybody would want to watch friendlies. We may all think it, but he actually comes out and says it, it's pathetic. Same goes with his comments after the Sevilla match. Saying stuff he shouldn't.
I don't know what happens behind closed doors obviously, but if I was the board, I'd be sick of Mourinho. Last thing I'd want to do is invest big money on shorter type transfers.
Rant over (Yes I am in the, I don't want Mourinho as our manager corner
Although why do we care about resale value anyway? When do we sell the players in their prime or for big money?
What has become very apparent is that Woodward is clearly a commercial deal man and not a football man at all. His player transfer negotiation is incredibly poor and the club have been left looking totally amateur in their approaches over the summer. It's actually embarrassing seeing us sway from one CB to the next and fail at each attempt. Unfortunately Woodward is very well trusted by the Glazers having supported them in the purchase of the club and has his feet are well and truly under the table and as a result I cannot see things changing for quite some time. In my opinion the only time this will change if is the Glazers decide to sell the club or Woodward gets bored of Football.
We desperately need an experienced 'DOF' in place to support the manager and build the team accordingly rather than seeking more commercial deals. We have plenty of cash in the kitty so lets use it wisely.
We desperately need an experienced 'DOF' in place to support the manager and build the team accordingly rather than seeking more commercial deals. We have plenty of cash in the kitty so lets use it wisely.
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