Well, it doesn't have to all be about resale value, but having to replace somebody after 3 years or 7 years at the cost of 65m is a big difference
Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)
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I think there is a reason we signed the younger guys but not the older ones.
I don't feel its the end of the world and our season is over before it starts. But I don't think we will win much trophywise, but think top 4 trophy is ours.
I also think we won't be the United of old or the current of City with these owners and CEO, it's just not happening. The club seems a mess top to bottom with money being filtered to there pockets.
I also think we won't be the United of old or the current of City with these owners and CEO, it's just not happening. The club seems a mess top to bottom with money being filtered to there pockets.
Oh fcuk so he did.
Been seeing that expression a lot on this forum recently.
But yea you’re right I’ve seen it a few times too. It’s unneccessary.Think he desperately wanted an older CB to bring a bit of leadership in there. The trouble with RW is you watch loads of these kids running like the wind and looking great, but when push comes to shove they are not that productive.
I agree totally with you but the slightest worry I have and most of the other fans anxiety is due to the fact that if we are stagnant for even a year or two, saying, we need only great to WC players, other teams may surpass way out of sight.
Don't get me wrong, I'm as p***ed off as everybody else that we didn't sign anymore players, i'd rather them not pay stupid fees for bang average players who are no better then what we already have.
Something is amiss at board/manager level for "the biggest club in the world" not to make quality signings. Either the board are waiting for the inevitable ("3rd year meltdown") or like i stated, will not pay stupid fees for inferior quality players.
Something is amiss at board/manager level for "the biggest club in the world" not to make quality signings. Either the board are waiting for the inevitable ("3rd year meltdown") or like i stated, will not pay stupid fees for inferior quality players.
So excluding Pogba and Lukaku we are at £62mil?
When Barca and Madrid are interested and we aren’t winning titles. We have leverage I.e. Pogba.
Makes no sense lol. Let’s eliminate a world record fee as he proves we spend money?
For the board, it probably makes more sense to sign younger players. Not saying teenagers but 24-26 year old players that are in their prime. I doubt we wouldn't have splashed the cash for 26 year old Boateng.
Hence why it seemed we pushed Boateng as a loan deal.
Also think Ed wouldn't mind waiting a year for Toby had a reasonable price
So they can think strategically now , but then they give huge contracts to the likes of Smalling Jones Rojo Shaw for years of mediocrity and big money in wages all the strategic thinking is somewhere misplaced. Weird way of doing business.
Years back MUTV used to have a phone-in on most nights, probably a good job they don't now. Monday's was tasty and that was while people thought we might actually sign someone. It would be poisonous tonight.
True, but next year the competition will be fierce. Hopefully someone will step up big time this season. Maybe Lindelof will get accustomed to PL
The overpaying in wages is a problem as well. There is no way they will take a pay cut to actually play somewhere else.
Question for admin. If someone is put on ignore but then someone else quotes their post, will the person who put writer of quotation on ignore be able to read that quote in third person's post?
(No offence goin4glory or minimalist, just using you as example!)
That's why probably we were unable to offload Rojo other wise we might have brought one in.
Yeah of course he is.
I presume you were saying that when he was buying Sanchez in January or when spending any of the other £700m he has blindly managed to spend on the players his various managers wanted over the last 5 years.
If we had spent no money last January no one would have thought anything of it and if we had signed Sanchez along with Fred and Dalot this Summer it would be heralded as a coup. The net effect is the same.
Woodward and co couldn't give a flying .... if we win a league title he is a money man he is happy with top 4 and bringing money into the club. We are one of the 2 biggest clubs in the world yet we are ran like a 2nd rate pile of shite. It's embarrssing
Why would you spend 60m on someone who you can get for 25m in 5 months and free in 10! Fully back the decision on this. Woodward stood his ground firm on outrageous spending and I think that is fine. We have a great squad on paper, the manager needs to learn to utilise them, that his job to coach them. Yes we all wish we could of signed more players, the bale the Ronaldo or the massive list we were linked with. Jose only wanted a centre back and we have 5. To me that is not an area that was priority so I am pretty glad he didn't waste money on it.
Can’t deny I’m very disappointed with Woodward and our transfer business this summer however on the positive side maybe this will send a message to these stupid pathetic teams that keep trying to mug us on absurd transfer fees (fecking levy). We won’t always pay stupid fees because we’re Manchester United. I’ll gladly wait till January or summer for a free alderwiereld.
Even after it’s all said and done the squad is not bad and I don’t want to hear any excuses from mourinho about how Woodward hasn’t supported him with players because he has as a matter of fact in previous windows.
Even after it’s all said and done the squad is not bad and I don’t want to hear any excuses from mourinho about how Woodward hasn’t supported him with players because he has as a matter of fact in previous windows.
Good post. I feel like Mourinho made it difficult for himself by having some unreasonable targets on his list. Going by what has been out in the media, the list was likely Alderweireld, Maguire, Willian, and Perisic. Three of those players belong to EPL clubs. Spurs have a reputation as being difficult to deal with, and it seems like their asking price for Toby was too high. Leicester didn't want to sell Maguire and Maguire didn't push for a move either. Willian wanted to leave Chelsea but it seems like Chelsea didn't want to sell to United again, after seeing what happened with Matic a year before. Also maybe Chelsea were willing to do a swap deal if it included Martial, but that would have been incredibly stupid on our end. And then there's Perisic, who as we know, Inter wanted a lot for him and he isn't that good (also a Left winger where we already have Alexis). We weren't really even linked with any fullbacks. That "list" of targets is underwhelming to begin with and for the most part, didn't really address our major concerns. Even if we were to get one of the CBs, there's no guarantee that they would have transformed our defense and playing style. Alderweireld has major doubts attached to him, and Maguire hasn't proven much.I don't really know who to blame here, but I'm gonna go with the board losing faith with Mourinho.
Ed Woodward must have people who advise him, who must know football.
He sees Mourinho, somebody who wants to invest money in older players (Not saying this is totally a bad thing) and doesn't want to give players who the club see as the future chances.
I'd go as far as saying Ed is happy enough to spend money on the players Mourinho wants, but at a price they want to pay. At the end of the day, Toby has one year left on his contract before he has a £25m buyout clause. The reported figure they want right now is 65m, and he would have little resale value at this point.
Maguire on the other hand, I'd say Ed was willing to spend more on, but it seemed Leicester did not want to sell.
You have to think, would getting Toby win us the league? I really don't think so, we'd still need more. So why sign somebody with 3 or so good years in him when Maguire could do a similar job for 7 or so.
You have to just look at Mourinho to see the problems he causes.
He's isolated Martial and by the looks of it Pogba also. These are two players United want to build around, yet Mourinho have them wanting to leave. (Pogba may be speculation, but there seems to be to much of it in my opinion)
If I was a footballer, I'd look at how we play and United right now (If I wasn't a fan) wouldn't be high up on my list of places I'd prefer to go.
Mourinho just has a negative aura.
In pre season he did nothing but complain. He sits in press conferences questioning why anybody would want to watch friendlies. We may all think it, but he actually comes out and says it, it's pathetic. Same goes with his comments after the Sevilla match. Saying stuff he shouldn't.
I don't know what happens behind closed doors obviously, but if I was the board, I'd be sick of Mourinho. Last thing I'd want to do is invest big money on shorter type transfers.
Rant over (Yes I am in the, I don't want Mourinho as our manager corner
Who cares about wasting money? That's what every football club does ! I couldn't and wouldn't care if we spent 100 mill on him it's not coming out of my pocket . You fully back him not fully backing his manager.
This infamous list given to Woodward will go down in United lore. For all we know it was loaded with unattainable targets. No one should have to pay the stupid sum demanded for Willian, especially if it's true they wanted Martial in exchange. Daylight robbery
Doubt Alderweireld would be more than £50m, we could've got Willian for much less, considering Chelsea are interested in Martial. Sandro is transfer listed as you mentioned.
If we got Willian Martial would be gone as well either way. Come to think of it would cost much less in eventual swap.
I agree 100%. Since Fergie there hasn't been any kind of continuity. Three different managers with three different philosophies is setting up the club for failure. A DoF surrounded by more people with football knowledge that could build a solid foundation. Right now it looks like the club has no clue how to run the football operations. A lot of overpaid players, players that is not good enough for a top club are still here because they struggle to sell them for various reasons and they are struggling to buy talent. Bayern, as you mentioned, is a perfect example of a club with a clear vision. They seldom make stupid purchases and they manage to sell players they don't want and they get money for them. Last of all they perform on a high level regardless of who the manager is, and they are so confident that they hired a coach without a super track record.
Sacking = big payout. Meltdown and walkout = payout negated.
Woodward should be gone in my opinion. He's failed at his job ever since he was put in the position. Simple as that.
He won't be, our fans don't hold anybody accoutable other than the manager and that's why we are where we are. The fanbase is almost too big so doesn't get united.
This was proven in 2005 when the Glazers took hold of our wonderful club.
I think if we finish outside the top 4 this year which isn't out of the question at all really then obviously our manager will take the blame and be sacked which is I suppose fair enough. But Woodward should 100% go aswell. Still don't think he will. As I say, he should go today in my opinion but there you go.
He won't be, our fans don't hold anybody accoutable other than the manager and that's why we are where we are. The fanbase is almost too big so doesn't get united.
This was proven in 2005 when the Glazers took hold of our wonderful club.
I think if we finish outside the top 4 this year which isn't out of the question at all really then obviously our manager will take the blame and be sacked which is I suppose fair enough. But Woodward should 100% go aswell. Still don't think he will. As I say, he should go today in my opinion but there you go.
City have spent a lot of money to back Guardiola in the transfer market. But at the same time they haven't overspent. They've bought a lot of young players with massive potential who all have resale value and they've also bought experienced players who are finished articles when required (walker, otamendi). They have addressed all their problem positions.
In this same period, Woodward and United on the other hand have had no clear stratergy in place. And the mess Mourinho has inherited is a result of the inexperience of Woodward as a football man. An experienced CEO would have hired a Director of football on day 1 rather than try to be the main man when it comes to football and transfers. An experienced football man would not boast on television about having lots of money for transfers. That's counterproductive. Woodward is an absolute idiot for doing that and he would be even a bigger one if he continues to do the job which he isn't meant for.
On the other hand, Mourinhos is known to transform teams and complete chop and change them over transfer windows. And that always, always ends up with a better team in place from the one he inherited. That's what happened at Chelsea, Inter and Madrid. And that's what should have happened this summer too. Woodward is not the football man, Mourinhoi is. Woodward must leave the transfer business to him. Going by past experience, it always yields good results.
In this same period, Woodward and United on the other hand have had no clear stratergy in place. And the mess Mourinho has inherited is a result of the inexperience of Woodward as a football man. An experienced CEO would have hired a Director of football on day 1 rather than try to be the main man when it comes to football and transfers. An experienced football man would not boast on television about having lots of money for transfers. That's counterproductive. Woodward is an absolute idiot for doing that and he would be even a bigger one if he continues to do the job which he isn't meant for.
On the other hand, Mourinhos is known to transform teams and complete chop and change them over transfer windows. And that always, always ends up with a better team in place from the one he inherited. That's what happened at Chelsea, Inter and Madrid. And that's what should have happened this summer too. Woodward is not the football man, Mourinhoi is. Woodward must leave the transfer business to him. Going by past experience, it always yields good results.
Failed window on him in my opinion. Mourinho made it clear we wanted two more players and went as far as saying we had a list of 5 (I assume he was referring to that being a list for the one position).
Ed has had all summer to get these sorted but obviously decided that he’s done spending huge figures (which you simply have to do in today’s market).
Ed has had all summer to get these sorted but obviously decided that he’s done spending huge figures (which you simply have to do in today’s market).
The board was never getting rid of Martial and good. So Willian would have been brought out right. But then this all falls down to business savvy again. The club are not going to make a loss on a 22 year old in exchange for a 29 year old who isn’t world class.
Go do some research. Levy would not have sold him for £50m when VVD went for £70m. That was their marker and that’s what Ed had to negotiate from.
Sandro is transfer listed so why are we still requested to pay a high price? Darmian is transfer listed and Sandro’s club won’t cough up £20m but want to sell there transfer listed player for double that. Once again, doesn’t make business sense.
But of if he does have a meltdown and quits it ends up costing us champions league football, isn't any money saved on a potential payout lost tenfold on missing champions league revenue and diminished share prices?.
I think it's en ego thing where he's scared to admit he got it wrong again in regards to choosing the manager. The overall results haven't been that bad for what fans would accept as a transitional period but the quality of football we have endured has left everyone disillusioned and that was what many feared when he was chosen. I imagine the thought of being proven wrong to what was an obvious mismatch of what was always going to be the managers vision of win at all costs and Utd fans need for some imagination and excitement is making him double down to prove he made the right choice and stick with Jose but knows he can't really justify backing him big in the market again because deep down he knows there will be an implosion imminent.
The simple reality is that Ed Woodward and the board have left £100M in the kitty possibly to give to the new Manager in January or dare I say it, Jose should he still be here.
The Club clearly want to recruit young up and comming players between the age of 22 to 25 and Jose mostly wants 28 to 31 year old experienced players. We have to feel that Jose's demeanour, plus certain comments on the US Tour have alientated not just the players but the board and they were not in a rush to back him and probably feel Sanchez's investment in January plus a new contract for De Gea and Dalot and Fred is enough for Jose to compete this season.
Only time will tell whether the board is right, Jose needs to prove that in the modern game, he is still relevant and knows how to get a talented yet flawed group of individuals to gel as a formidible Attacking Football team!
He said early today that the best performance of his managerial career was coming second with last years United squad.....Doesn't really inspire much confidence to those United players but then again he's already thrown the youngsters under the Bus in Us Pre season tour.
The Club clearly want to recruit young up and comming players between the age of 22 to 25 and Jose mostly wants 28 to 31 year old experienced players. We have to feel that Jose's demeanour, plus certain comments on the US Tour have alientated not just the players but the board and they were not in a rush to back him and probably feel Sanchez's investment in January plus a new contract for De Gea and Dalot and Fred is enough for Jose to compete this season.
Only time will tell whether the board is right, Jose needs to prove that in the modern game, he is still relevant and knows how to get a talented yet flawed group of individuals to gel as a formidible Attacking Football team!
He said early today that the best performance of his managerial career was coming second with last years United squad.....Doesn't really inspire much confidence to those United players but then again he's already thrown the youngsters under the Bus in Us Pre season tour.
Yes I've heard of Levy, and the same places who quoted Chelsea turning down 60m for Willian said he wanted 50m for Toby. It's a fairly awful move by Levy seeing he can leave next summer for 25m.
He doesn't have to be world class to be better for our side than Martial. It boils down to how the player is used and Jose would've used him better than what we see with Martial right now. We've seen many world class players that were unable to fit certain sides. If the club continues to employ Mourinho then they should try to get the players who he wants, not what they think is right in business terms.
You can't possibly know that. What we know is that there weren't interest in Toby apart from ours and his price will go down to £25m in 12 months. It doesn't mean much business sense for Levy as well to keep a high price for him and let him go for a third of that.
Once again you either sack the manager in charge or get his men. What sense does it make to have another unsuccessful season and then cough up again 200-300m for the new manager to get his new players a year later?
If we miss out on top 4 this year how much we will lose without CL football?
The fact is the clubs idea of refreshing the team and the managers are at odds with one another. Utd will not be prepared to spend on a 29 year old with no resale/marketability value - coincidentally the exact type of player Mourinho wanted.
Until business people are no longer making footballing decisions at this club, nothing will change.
Until business people are no longer making footballing decisions at this club, nothing will change.
Jose wasn't here when the club recruited several up and coming players that had no business being in a United shirt. Woodward did that. Woodward has no standing in the game and knows nothing about football. Mourinho has rebuilt Chelsea Inter and Madrid. And at every club he changed most of the personnel he inherited. We need to back him because experience tells us he knows what he's doing. Experience also tells us Woodward doesn't know what he's doing when it comes to transfers. Either we back Mourinho or we fire him. Half measures are no good.
Up until this window, I've never been too critical of Woodward. I felt the first summer after Fergie/Gill left was written off considering the situation. Since then he has signed some major players, some of which have flopped massively... but that's hardly his fault, DiMaria/Zlatan/Falcao/Bastian to name a few. People have been criticising him for years about this and that, but at the end of the day, he's brought in the players the managers have asked for, so he has been very successful at his role in my opinion.
Unfortunately, it appears this window is different. Jose gave him a list and he wasn't able to buy the players on the list... or maybe he wasn't allowed by the board... who knows.
Regardless of the reason, it's unacceptable that a club the size of Manchester United has weaknesses which have been identified by the coach, and the guys at the top haven't been able to remove said weaknesses.
Unfortunately, it appears this window is different. Jose gave him a list and he wasn't able to buy the players on the list... or maybe he wasn't allowed by the board... who knows.
Regardless of the reason, it's unacceptable that a club the size of Manchester United has weaknesses which have been identified by the coach, and the guys at the top haven't been able to remove said weaknesses.
Not really sure what happened this summer, but it was a disaster.
No idea who's to blame though. Might be all parties at fault.
No idea who's to blame though. Might be all parties at fault.
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