Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)

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hn4manunited said:
Ed won’t be fired as long as he does a good job on running the business. The results on the pitch will have to affect the overall business before he would even be considered for firing by our board and owners. Seeing how the overall business side of things continue to grow inspite of less than stellar performance on the pitch, he will continue to keep his role.
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Correct.
Why would the Glazers want to sack the man in charge of one of their businesses, which year on year brings them more and more money?
The value of the club is inanely high right now and if the The Glazers cashed in, they would make billions...yes billions, off of their original investment.

Now, there are some fans who believe that the on-pitch performances reflect instantly, the amount of money the business makes. As has been proven over the years, this is not the case. The biggest money maker in the EPL is MUFC and we have not won the league title in many many years. Woodward will k now this. Those fans will argue that it won't last forever...well nothing ever does, but while it lasts, Woodie will be in charge of the gravy train.

Woodie will be thinking that as long as we stay in the top 4, we will be relevant and if we ever reach a time where another team overtakes us as a business, he will inject big funds into buying Galacticos and we should once again, become relevant.

If fans want to see us do well on the pitch, what they need to hope for is that a rich billionaire Arab buys the club from the Glazers, as a vanity project. They won't care too much about the profits, but they will care about winning trophies and providing entertaining football. That's the point that we will be able to go head to head with MCFC and PSG.
 
golden_blunder said:
You could argue that fergie still left a strong squad but even if he had brought in a load of players LVG would have fooked them out anyway. The likes of Rafael could have played for a few more years.
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Wasn't Rafael always injured? He hardly played any games due to injury which meant that we were always having to use a youth player, a CB or RW, in the RB position. Isn't that the whole reason why Valencia became a RB?
 
VanGaalyTime said:
He's done well but he's also been given the funds he needed to build the team. If Mou had the same backing, he'd be fine. We might still not be playing attacking football, but we'd be in a much better plan than we are now.
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Mou had the same backing with the added benefit of not having to sell his best player. Can't wait till his gone so the excuses that litters this place can go along with him
 
VanGaalyTime said:
He's done well but he's also been given the funds he needed to build the team. If Mou had the same backing, he'd be fine. We might still not be playing attacking football, but we'd be in a much better plan than we are now.
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:lol: considering your username I think we know where your thoughts lie
 
JPRouve said:
You realize that Klopp spent less than Mourinho and sold a key player to fund that?
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By "backing", what I think a lot of you miss out on is that the entire structure at Liverpool is better than that available to Mourinho. Yes, Mou has spent about the same money as Klopp on transfers. But Klopp has also benefited from an exceptional training facility, a backroom staff that is 100% supportive of his methods and goals, a scouting system that actually identifies players for him (Robertson, Salah etc) and a CEO that is in total alignment with his project objectives. Not to mention a youth system that has helped produce TAA and others. There's also the media to consider. Does anyone know that Mendy and Pep fell out over the past two weeks and has been slagging him off on social media? Why hasn't there been 100 articles on this like there was with Pogba and Mou? How about the TV media when Liverpool were under performing with Klopp? We saw nothing like the constant military-style attacks we've seen in recent months on Mou and United.

Like Pep at City, Klopp has done well, but you should also consider that both these clubs have a structure for success. Give Mourinho that same structure and he'll succeed IMO. Name a player either City or Liverpool have in the starting 11 that was bought mostly for their marketing value. He's also improved the team every season in terms of league finish (until this year when we'll finish about 8th with or without Mou, which is completely down to the underfunding of the team in the summer).

Look, we know the football isn't great to watch. But this a function of having Mou as manager. He needs a solid defence to build a counter-attacking team and has won leagues at each club he's been at until now. If I were him, I'd have resigned the moment he found out that the Glazers were yet again going to pull back on funds in the summer. But I'm selfishly glad he's our manager because anyone else would have backed down by now. He's showing the Glazers just how much we needed a defender in the summer. Yes, I'd rather United win, but it's so important that fans around the globe and at Old Trafford know what's happening to this great team behind the scenes and Jose is the guy to lead us through this point in our history. Zidane, Jardim, or whomever you want to name would not work in the same way.
 
Greck said:
Mou had the same backing with the added benefit of not having to sell his best player. Can't wait till his gone so the excuses that litters this place can go along with him
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Yep, bought 2 CBs, a RB, 3 MFs, a LW and a ST, and that's not counting Zlatan and Mkhi. If he can't deliver even the bare minimum with 8 of his own players, then that's simply utter failure, no sugarcoating it.
 
VanGaalyTime said:
By "backing", what I think a lot of you miss out on is that the entire structure at Liverpool is better than that available to Mourinho. Yes, Mou has spent about the same money as Klopp on transfers. But Klopp has also benefited from an exceptional training facility, a backroom staff that is 100% supportive of his methods and goals, a scouting system that actually identifies players for him (Robertson, Salah etc) and a CEO that is in total alignment with his project objectives. Not to mention a youth system that has helped produce TAA and others. There's also the media to consider. Does anyone know that Mendy and Pep fell out over the past two weeks and has been slagging him off on social media? Why hasn't there been 100 articles on this like there was with Pogba and Mou? How about the TV media when Liverpool were under performing with Klopp? We saw nothing like the constant military-style attacks we've seen in recent months on Mou and United.
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Mourinho brought his own backroom staff, pretty much the same that he had since Inter, you have no idea about the players proposed by the scouting system and he works for the club not the other way around. The youth system is a funny one, where Rashford, Lingard, McTominay or Pereira are coming from? Let's not pretend that Liverpool or City are full of academy players who are the others, Joe Gomez?

Then since when Liverpool has a structure for success? That fabled structure magically appeared with Klopp, they were in shamble and a mid table club when he joined.
 
Trying to say Mourinho hasnt been backed financially (or in any way) is hilarious really. We dont spend 70m on an aging center back (when we have 5 in the squad) and suddenly the guy hasnt been backed.
 
bosnian_red said:
Trying to say Mourinho hasnt been backed financially (or in any way) is hilarious really. We dont spend 70m on an aging center back (when we have 5 in the squad, two of them his own signings) and suddenly the guy hasnt been backed.
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No matter who we buy, Mourinho will not change his tactics. He does not like to leave any less than 6 men behind the ball in our own half, all the time.
 
bosnian_red said:
Trying to say Mourinho hasnt been backed financially (or in any way) is hilarious really. We dont spend 70m on an aging center back (when we have 5 in the squad) and suddenly the guy hasnt been backed.
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How about we do what the other teams do. Sell players who don't seem to be good enough. Unless Mou has stopped us from selling anyone.

I think part of the problem we have is that we are not good at negotiating selling deals, partly because of ridiculous wages they are on vs the quality of players.
 
JPRouve said:
Mourinho brought his own backroom staff, pretty much the same that he had since Inter, you have no idea about the players proposed by the scouting system and he works for the club not the other way around. The youth system is a funny one, where Rashford, Lingard, McTominay or Pereira are coming from? Let's not pretend that Liverpool or City are full of academy players who are the others, Joe Gomez?

Then since when Liverpool has a structure for success? That fabled structure magically appeared with Klopp, they were in shamble and a mid table club when he joined.
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City don't need to be full of academy players. They've got where they are by spending nearly 800m pounds more than United in the past decade and given the same position as United, Pep would be getting blamed for not being able to get Mangala, Zabaleta, Hart, and De Michelis to play as a world class defence. He has been allowed to replace his mistakes. Mou hasn't. Liverpool is a bit of a different story but Klopp has been able to spend a world record on a goalkeeper and a central defender while getting lucky with Salah's breakout season. The short end of it is that Klopp and Pep are in charge of football teams while Mou is in charge of a brand and our higher ups are focused on the brand first and the football second.

Now, on to the backroom staff. Yes, Mou has been able to bring his own in. But Faria left in the summer, and now he's working with two completely new assistant coaches who have zero experience at this level. Pep has at least two coaches with years of coaching experience at the top level, and Klopp has similar. Scouting is a little difficult to call, you're right. But we know that Pogba has been on United's radar since 2014, so obviously wasn't a Mou target. I'm sure other players brought in under Mou followed a similar path. He can't be absolved of all the current problems but I happen to feel that the structural issues within the club are far more of a problem than Mou's tactics.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
How about we do what the other teams do. Sell players who don't seem to be good enough. Unless Mou has stopped us from selling anyone.

I think part of the problem we have is that we are not good at negotiating selling deals, partly because of ridiculous wages they are on vs the quality of players.
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Might have to sell most of the team then. Especially the way they are performing atm.
 
VanGaalyTime said:
City don't need to be full of academy players. They've got where they are by spending nearly 800m pounds more than United in the past decade and given the same position as United, Pep would be getting blamed for not being able to get Mangala, Zabaleta, Hart, and De Michelis to play as a world class defence. He has been allowed to replace his mistakes. Mou hasn't. Liverpool is a bit of a different story but Klopp has been able to spend a world record on a goalkeeper and a central defender while getting lucky with Salah's breakout season. The short end of it is that Klopp and Pep are in charge of football teams while Mou is in charge of a brand and our higher ups are focused on the brand first and the football second.

Now, on to the backroom staff. Yes, Mou has been able to bring his own in. But Faria left in the summer, and now he's working with two completely new assistant coaches who have zero experience at this level. Pep has at least two coaches with years of coaching experience at the top level, and Klopp has similar. Scouting is a little difficult to call, you're right. But we know that Pogba has been on United's radar since 2014, so obviously wasn't a Mou target. I'm sure other players brought in under Mou followed a similar path. He can't be absolved of all the current problems but I happen to feel that the structural issues within the club are far more of a problem than Mou's tactics.
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You are just moving the goalposts and stumblimg on the same issues. Mourinho spent a world record fee on a CM, he inherited arguably the best GK in the world, he bought the most expensive attacker in PL history(which by the way means that he has 2 members of the top 10 of most expensive players in history). Why did you brought up academy players if it's not important now, you realized that United is the club that provide the best support on that front?
As for the backroom staff he chooses it, so I don't see where you are coming from. He decided to take two inexperienced coaches maybe rates them, so I don't see why it shows a lack of support from the club, you expect them to force someone on him?
 
VanGaalyTime said:
City don't need to be full of academy players. They've got where they are by spending nearly 800m pounds more than United in the past decade and given the same position as United, Pep would be getting blamed for not being able to get Mangala, Zabaleta, Hart, and De Michelis to play as a world class defence. He has been allowed to replace his mistakes. Mou hasn't. Liverpool is a bit of a different story but Klopp has been able to spend a world record on a goalkeeper and a central defender while getting lucky with Salah's breakout season. The short end of it is that Klopp and Pep are in charge of football teams while Mou is in charge of a brand and our higher ups are focused on the brand first and the football second.

Now, on to the backroom staff. Yes, Mou has been able to bring his own in. But Faria left in the summer, and now he's working with two completely new assistant coaches who have zero experience at this level. Pep has at least two coaches with years of coaching experience at the top level, and Klopp has similar. Scouting is a little difficult to call, you're right. But we know that Pogba has been on United's radar since 2014, so obviously wasn't a Mou target. I'm sure other players brought in under Mou followed a similar path. He can't be absolved of all the current problems but I happen to feel that the structural issues within the club are far more of a problem than Mou's tactics.
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Fixing just one of the two is not going to solve the problem. Even if the board implements a better structure, Jose is not the man to lead us. Same way, Just sacking Jose and not making changes up top will lead to same situation two years down the line.
 
I often disagree with Gary Neville but he spoke really well about how the club is being run. If it’s true about Jose and it’s broken like this the day before a game it’s simply wrong and Nev is spot on calling the club rotten.
 
He really is an odious clueless gimp of a bloke. He's making an absolute mess of every single decision and seems to learn nothing with every mistake he makes.
 
Let's be honest, the way we sacked both LVG and Mourinho ( if true ) will make any upcoming manager thinks twice about his fate here anytime.

Anyway this complete the triad of failure Ed did this year :

1) Gave Mourinho contract extension
2) Refused to back him in summer, entering the season with all this toxicity.
3) Sacked him by next month after the inevitable happened.

Complete mess from Woody tbh.
 
el3mel said:
Let's be honest, the way we sacked both LVG and Mourinho ( if true ) will make any upcoming manager thinks twice about his fate here anytime.

Anyway this complete the triad of failure Ed did this year :

1) Gave Mourinho contract extension
2) Refused to back him in summer, entering the season with all this toxicity.
3) Sacked him by next month after the inevitable happened.

Complete mess from Woody tbh.
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Point number 1 was epic stupidity. Mourinho really did a number on him for that one.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Sell players who don't seem to be good enough.
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Selling players before finding replacements for them is utterly stupid as we saw under van Gaal. Considering we can't find any decent players for years that will at least play bit better than the one we have, I think we should first sign some players that can ship our old players on the bench.
 
The man is a bonafide clown - anyone with a lick of sense would have sacked Jose in summer. Now that its come to sacking him he can't even do it with a bit of decorum.

He needs to pack his bags too, he's clearly out of his depth at this club when it comes to footballing matters.
 
It is impossible to be a mourinho supporter when you see the drama he brings on and off the pitch but Gary is right. United can not be a proper football club until this clown steps down. How can you trust him if you are a manager?
 
He’s just a ruthless businessman at the end of the day isn’t he.

The Glazers love him I’d be willing to bet.
 
Woodward is lower than a snake's belly.

Those that side with him are of equally poor character.
 
He's taking the piss out of you lot and you don't seem to care, but Fergie was a legend once, so who cares right? Enjoy this United, it is what it is now. Until you lot can admit it and rally to send the club down the path that accepts it you'll just be fighting the money men and getting nothing in return. Would be hilarious if it turns out to be bollocks, maybe you'll snap out of it. But good luck, honestly. This is not a football club anymore.
 
About to sack Jose?
If this turns out to be true it would seem like he started a habit of leaking shit out to the press for no other reason than to have a wank about himself.
 
Who has the power to demote him or remove him from football related decisions? Glazers?
 
Loved that speech by Neville he basically told Woodward to feck off.

No doubt this Horrible little cretin needs to be held accountable for his actions and should be sacked too. He alone has messed up this club season after season.
 
First part of the problem will be done with Mourinho leaving but this idiot of a man needs to be next...

Three managers he's hired and undermined during his tenure. He's not in any shape or form acceptable at the level to be in charge of a club like us
 
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