As if payout for sacking would cost less than failure of a season and miss out for CL the following season and another overhaul, rebuild of the squad. I am not sure you're trying to help Woodward here or what?
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As if payout for sacking would cost less than failure of a season and miss out for CL the following season and another overhaul, rebuild of the squad. I am not sure you're trying to help Woodward here or what?
Good luck with that
If we're to trust Mourinho he sent a list of 5 players and doubt the 3rd choice keeper was part of that. Getting 2 out of 5 and considering 3 others were available (Willian, Sandro, Toby) is sackable offense to me.
If you can't get a CB with 5-6 options on the line you are pretty useless at that job if you ask me.
Woodward might be a good businessman on the marketing side, but when it comes to transfers and with past history in mind, deary me...
Explain his failure when buying £300m of players that Mourinho wanted and over £300m of players that Van Goal wanted? If he signs the players the manager wants and the club doesn't succeed why on earth wouldn't you blame the manager who selected the players ahead of the man who bought them on his instruction? It makes NO sense.
Yeah this is now the 2nd time he's failed spectacularly.
And it's been 1 common denominator: Woodward himself
Moyes had his faults, but it does seem like that window of 2013 was mainly Woodward's fault.
I'm definitely not trying to help him. They also know that a Mourinho meltdown would make it easy in a PR sense to let him go. I think most of the actions of the board are done with half a mind on the stock market and how the club looks from the outside.
As if payout for sacking would cost less than failure of a season and miss out for CL the following season and another overhaul, rebuild of the squad. I am not sure you're trying to help Woodward here or what?
People don't have a clue who does what and why. Yet they're quick to blame Ed as soon as something goes against their subjectively imagined plan. Falcao, Di Maria, Pogba?
Apparently, a DoF will fix all our problems. I'm not so sure a manager would like to have one.
Apparently, a DoF will fix all our problems. I'm not so sure a manager would like to have one.
Big payout is significantly less than the money we lose from not reaching UCL.
Unless they've already got someone lined up and they're confident he'll be gone before Christmas.
I think the club were willing to bring in the players the manager wanted at the right price. But paying absolute top dollar for Willian and Alderweireld both older players makes little sense. If Mo didn't have any younger more attainable alternatives on his 'list' that's his lookout.
Ed has shown nothing of that sort. If Ed was to show how important he is to the club and observe the general vibe out there, he wouldn't allow Jose to "bully" him into giving nothing players like Fellaini and Rojo 2 year and 5 year contract extensions. Ed also would not allow Mourinho to bully him into keeping his favorite two 33 year old failed wingers as fullbacks and Ed wouldn't certainly allow our RW to be a hollow tube.
I don't get it really mate. If we don't trust the manager, just sack him.
By all accounts even Jose predicts a "difficult" season with the current options. He himself isn't confident he can do the job itself and mount a serious title challenge, this disbelief would easily transfer to the players sooner than later. What we're doing is dooming another season and would probably lose much more if we miss out on CL.
The most depressing thing is this transfer window isn't as remotely bad as the Fellaini window cockup when we failed to trigger Herrera's release clause and bought Fellaini for 4m over his release clause..
I'm still unclear how 2nd place last year was a failure. For all the nitpickers, obviously, first in the champs and prem leagues are always the goal but honestly, from a football viewpoint, this team has been run poorly for years from the head down. The last few years of Sir Alex were held together with honor, fear, fumes and duct tape. Eddie needs to stick to selling shirts and sponsorships. He shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the football team.
A lot of manager do have one though, especially ones coming from abroad.
Looks 100% to me now that Jose is gone by the Summer and that's why they've not given him what he wanted.
Saving the cash already for the next cab off the rank it seems obvious to me now.
Saving the cash already for the next cab off the rank it seems obvious to me now.
Everton, Chelsea, Liverpool and City have all outspent us these two seasons.
We're the most profitable football club in the world.
If you want United to win the league consistently if at all, we have the wrong CEO and certainly the wrong owners.
I can't believe how many on here have their heads in the sand.
It's been a tough 5 years, these next 5 years will be worse. Mark my words.
So the man who makes the signings should go against all the managers wishes? If thats the case then the problem is clearly the manager.
Done all the right things this summer - money won't fix our problems. We need to play better football if we want to sign better players.
Fully behind this statement as well. I want the manager to be made to do better with what he has in an attacking sense.
I don't get it really mate. If we don't trust the manager, just sack him.
By all accounts even Jose predicts a "difficult" season with the current options. He himself isn't confident he can do the job itself and mount a serious title challenge, this disbelief would easily transfer to the players sooner than later. What we're doing is dooming another season and would probably lose much more if we miss out on CL.
The most depressing thing is this transfer window isn't as remotely bad as the Fellaini window cockup when we failed to trigger Herrera's release clause and bought Fellaini for 4m over his release clause..
Yeah I'd agree.
Not sure what Jose was planning though. If he was eyeing a for example: Willian + Martial swap deal of sorts, I could see why Woodward wouldn't opt for that.
But still, it was definitely a mishap of a transfer window.
It's up to Jose to really coach his butt off now. Needs to get most of the squad firing. Hopefully he can. Still think our team is good enough to challenge.
We have spent £700m in those 5 years buying the players the managers at the time wanted, paying top fees and top salaries.
I don't particularly want to win the "we have spent more money than you" cup. If that £700m had been spent more wisely by the managers at the time we would be in a better position. I would also argue that the current team has a great deal of quality, certainly over and above the picture that is being painted here at times.
But haven't we outspent every top club bar City these last 5 years?
Second place isn't failure as such it was watching City disappearing over the horizon playing scintillating football, while our football was terrible and soul destroying. Then the prospect that we could be ready to see the same again, except Liverpool could be going over the horizon with them. We just have to hope that the manager and players realise that it isn't just about winning, it is about entertaining the fans as well.
Gets too much criticism. He’s done everything he could for all his managers.
We played absolutely crap, never competed for the title, and Sevilla toyed with us in UCL. It was comparable to our second place finish in 2006 for example (without the League Cup trophy) which back then was seen as a failure too. Not comparable to second place finishes of 2010 or 2012 for example when we showed that we can compete and almost got the title.
2nd place and compete is a good season, shows that you are near. 2nd place and out of title race in October while getting humiliated in Europe is not a good season. Oh, and boring boring football.
Maybe they have told him all this. If they have I can only see one outcome and it isn't great. Jose wants to win, if he doesn't think he can he doesn't give a toss and then loses interest and just goes through the motions.
Does it really matter if you hired 3 managers in the process?
That's great, but what about our youngsters? How did it help them to bring in another player that's you've got top money? Bringing in an experienced player now may have been Jose's plan to bring through the likes of Chong or Tuanzebe.
Of course it does. Chelsea change a manager on average every 2 years and have been doing so since Roman bought them. Didn't seem to stop them did it?
Even if he misses out on Willian, Toby, Sandro or whoever backup for LB(Kurzawa) and CB(Bonucci, Boateng, Mina, Maguire, Godin) we should've reinforced 2 positions more.
Believe we have a good enough team to be top 4, but still we're way off City still and hoped we could mount a good challenge this year, not just win the top 4 trophy.
And that's where we finished. Behind City. And people blamed the manager. And then he wasn't backed to go one further
We'll most likely finish 3rd or 4th this season that reflects our spending in the last couple of windows, that reflects our spending in comparison to others (people aren't taking into account inflation of prices)
I repeat:
We make the most money in world football.
That isn't reflected in expenditure in the spending in ALL areas of our football club. Transfers is a small percentage.
I repeat:
If you want Manchester United to be winning the top English league title and competing in the final stages of the top European competition- we have the wrong owners and directors at the football club.
3 shocking decisions.
On a real. Why should this squad miss out on CL football? Comments like this are the real problem. We still have the second best team in the league rardless of a failed transfer.
I think this idea of only buying younger players because they have a resale value is absolute nonsense.
If they are performing well we wouldn’t sell them anyway and if they were playing badly then there resale value would tumble anyway.
The key is having players that can get us the title back and get us seriously competing for champs lge again and if that takes experienced internationals then so be it surely we can afford them because if I had a £ for every time I read that we are the biggest club in the world I could buy the players myself !
Even though we're all disappointed about no more signings, I think the club is taking the correct route on this one. We're still looking for the market to settle after the Neymar-transfer, and we're probably feeling that the fees are still heavily inflated. The only 'insane' transfers so far has been Ricarlison for £50m (?), as well as Kepa and Alisson. Otherwise it seems as though the market is slowly going back and we're probably more comfortable making signings in the next two windows.
If the clubs of our transfer targets were demanding higher than market value, it's Woodward's job to bring the price down. That's what a good negotiatior does... that's what an experienced business man does...
You can only make the same excuse for him a handful of times before you realise that his incompetence was an issue. Anything else and you're just burying your head in the sand.
I've always defended United men strongly. Whether that be Moyes or LvG or Mourinho or, heretofore, Woodward. But there comes a point where you've got to look at the overarching reality of the situation.
The excuses can only paper over some of the cracks. The rest are down to the man himself. The buck stops with Ed. He's had a poor window. There's no getting away from it.
You can only make the same excuse for him a handful of times before you realise that his incompetence was an issue. Anything else and you're just burying your head in the sand.
I've always defended United men strongly. Whether that be Moyes or LvG or Mourinho or, heretofore, Woodward. But there comes a point where you've got to look at the overarching reality of the situation.
The excuses can only paper over some of the cracks. The rest are down to the man himself. The buck stops with Ed. He's had a poor window. There's no getting away from it.
Maybe.
But if Real have a poor season(like a trophy-less season), they'll likely splash out in 2019 and inflate the market even more.
A meltdown from Mourinho, and bad season looks better from the outside? If anything, it further the image of incompetence in planning since Ed was given the prominent role. United is becoming new L'pool image. No direction going forward...
If you think of pulling the plug, do it swiftly now. It's unheard of any concept in business about preferring a whole year crash over momentum loss paying severance fee however high it is (Moyes and LVG tenure were already that)
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