Agreed. He's a big problem.
Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)
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I agree that it's a real shame that Woodward still hasn't pulled the trigger on sacking Mourinho. Should have been done a long time ago, there's no point in hesitating. The severance payout would be heavy, but its required to limit the damage being caused right now by Mourinho still being here.
At a tiny club. If we'd offered him potential he might have stayed. How long was he here for?
What a poor decision it was to give Jose a new contract. Jose literally took it out of him by speaking about psg a bit, and things went south just after he signed a new contract the very next match.
We need a good DOF and a good young manager that will take his time to rebuild on constant basis. City are going to dominate for some good years so we need to use the upcoming 2-3 years in a good rebuilding process.
Don't get a dof and a hire a shiny name as Zidane than slam on random signings in the market like what we were doing, managers and players, in the past 6 years and we'll not be relevant again for about 10 years.
Don't get a dof and a hire a shiny name as Zidane than slam on random signings in the market like what we were doing, managers and players, in the past 6 years and we'll not be relevant again for about 10 years.
My pick would be Robert Fernandez and De Zerbi. If we can't get Pochettino and Paul Mitchell
The point is, maybe we didn't think he was good enough to be a DOF here? He wasn't one at Juve and has no track record of being one. Hes a scout, even when we hired him from Juve, the news in Italy was that we hired the wrong guy
How do you know it's not company policy rather than Woodward being curmudgeonly?
Lemar and Rodrigo are excellent signings.
I don't see us hiring De Zerbi thats for sure
Why not zidane? Should we wait before PSG or Juventus hires him and he succeeds there and then the fans regretting letting go another potentially good manager managing elsewhere?
I don't feel he was a one off Fluke who just happened to win all because of the world class squad. He saw the writing on the wall at Madrid and left, which is an indication of a very clever guy, who ended it on the top.
I know. We will go for shinny name like Conte, regardless of his suitability.
Zidane is a good manager but he's as far from what we want now as possible.
1- He doesn't build teams. He wants an already made team.
2-He doesn't have a definitive style of play. He's not going to coach our players how to move in space or how to attack. He's one of these manager that depends on the quality of players and just give them instructions on the plan of the game. He didn't need to go to Ronaldo or Modric to tell them where to move and how to score. His lack of definitive style will hurt our current set of players even more. We don't simply need a manager. We need a coach who takes players to ground and coach them some attacking movement. With Zidane, it will be 2 seasons in charge and we'll start complain about us looking devoid of ideas.
3-Finally, the guy is fond of crossing. He doesn't play on ground, he wants the ball on flanks and cross, all the time. I can bet my money that Young and Fellaini will end up being our main players AGAIN. I'm not sure I'll like that for the third time in a row.
Zidane isn't a fluke, but he's not what we need either.
We need a proper coach, just someone who is going to take the player to training ground and do some actual training sessions.
Currently, Jardim is the best one available and free, considering Ed only hire managers out of contract.
Absolute moron.
Not talking just about him unwilling to pull the plug on the manager that's clearly not the answer (again). Bragging, leaking stuff, our wage structure, our transfer dealings, lack of any plan or vision...
No wonder we are where we are 6 years down the road.
Not talking just about him unwilling to pull the plug on the manager that's clearly not the answer (again). Bragging, leaking stuff, our wage structure, our transfer dealings, lack of any plan or vision...
No wonder we are where we are 6 years down the road.
Your arguments about Zidane are strange, the first one is directly linked to the fact that he has only managed for 2 and half seasons, no one can actually claim that he doesn't build teams or tell what he wants. The other two points are contradictory, he doesn't have a style but you then enumerates what he wants and doesn't want.
I have watched enough Madrid games in the league to know what I'm talking about. I followed them a lot in his era. I know very well why you'll defend him anyway but all honestly I'm not in the mood to get into a 3-4 pages of a discussion that will go around while reaching nothing like our last one re Woodward and you love to argue a lot. I'll just say my opinion in one long past again and leave it at this.
He doesn't have a definitive style of play. Anyone who watched enough of their games will know that very well, and they won't point to anything specific in his Madrid team, unlike Pep's team at Barca. His Madrid team usually played on getting it on the flank then cross it. He abused the fact he had the 2 best full backs and Ronaldo. That's not called definitive style, not like Klopp, Sarri or Pep..etc, otherwise Mourinho has definitive style then. I have watches several games in La Liga when I don't know what they were trying to do, and when they looked clueless in one game, they really, really looked like it.
This way is actually not bad per se but you simply need world class players for it to succeed, then you'll just have to give instructions re the game plan, put a good formation with players in their correct positions and make the correct subs without needing to put a certain or a definitive style or coaching the players how to do this or this. Zidane did brilliant in this part and his formations and subs were great. If we put their approach aside, Zidane is cut out of the same clothes as Carlo and Mourinho, they all depend on quality of their players first and foremost when it comes to style. They're not putting a system then get players that play that very specific system. They don't have a certain philosophy to defend in the game. Pep, Sarri and Klopp have that. That doesn't mean they're better/worse than Zidane but these are different categories of managers.
All these aren't bad in general but our team needs someone who's going to put a certain system and persist on building a certain style and coach the players how to attack because we don't have world class players and our players look extremely clueless in certain positions while going on the counter. The movement in the final third is awful. In Madrid he didn't need to tell Ronaldo where to move and Modric where to pass the ball. In United he'll need to do that for several players who lack the basics. We'll look clueless under him in no time just like now under Mourinho and it won't be his problem. It's just that he's not what this group of players need at the moment. If we want a cohesive attacking system like we see at City or Liverpool, Zidane isn't the answer, far from it.
Another thing about rebuilding the team is he himself acknowledged he's not capable of rebuilding the squad and left. He knew it quite well. He knew the team was starting the age and the drop was going to happen sooner or later, in fact it was already happening in his last season. He had enough support from the board and fans and could have stayed as much as he wants and everyone would have given him time to make a rebuild as he's a legend and a lovable figure, but he didn't fancy himself capable of such job. The man's smart. He know his limits as much as his strengths and thus decided when to quit. Looks pointless to discuss if he'll be able to make a rebuild or not when he himself considered himself to not being able to.
Zidane isn't a fluke. He's a very good manager, but not United need right now. He'll be good when we do a good rebuilding process and have a team good enough to start winning, then we can hire him and his in game choices are usually spot on regarding formations and subs. The problem is, the problem with the current United squad is just far, far from putting a good formation, making a good sub or playing a player in his position. The players awfully lack the basics and there's no coherence at all. Zidane isn't going to improve that. That needs someone who is going to take the players to the training ground and start coaching them some proper movement. Currently Jardim is the only free available for that.
That's what I have. Feel free to agree to disagree. Not really in the mood to go any farther today. Maybe another day.
He should go with Mou.
Point is, why would he leave so soon if our organisation was a positive place for him to ply his trade? Why did we not persuade him to stay? Maybe our recruitment and staff retention is piss poor. He'd only been here a short time and was highly rated or are you revising that fact now that he has gone?
For a much better job Head Scout -> Sporting Director, if you follow the thread you would have seen that answer. For career progression, it's a much better move for him. Meanwhile someone similar to Ribalta (Guzman) is still at the club as well as all the other senior scouts we have acquired over the past 3/4 years during the massive scouting system restructuring.
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This.
Must go with Mourinho.
This whole slide has been Woodward's era - he's overseen Moyes, LvG and Mourinho...
He must go when Mourinho does.
@el3mel I'm not defending him and I'm not going to argue in his favor because he isn't close to be the manager that I would like. I simply pointed out that your 3 points makes little sense, the first one because you are talking about a very young manager and the other points because they are contradictory, you can't say that he doesn't have a style and then enumerate what constitutes and doesn't constitute his style, it makes no sense.
I don't know what Zidane is or will be and I don't really feel the need to make big assumptions because he is a very young manager that hasn't signed players, I don't know what actually defines him other than his ability to make a good use of what he has. In the end that's why I'm not comfortable with him.
Jardim is a coach and someone that I rate but he has no experience of managing and while I would like to see him at a club like United, unless we bring someone like Berta or Luis Campos I will have concerns about what happens outside of the training pitch.
I don't know what Zidane is or will be and I don't really feel the need to make big assumptions because he is a very young manager that hasn't signed players, I don't know what actually defines him other than his ability to make a good use of what he has. In the end that's why I'm not comfortable with him.
Jardim is a coach and someone that I rate but he has no experience of managing and while I would like to see him at a club like United, unless we bring someone like Berta or Luis Campos I will have concerns about what happens outside of the training pitch.
The thread doesn't answer. He left for Zenit. It's hardly a step up from United even if his role is slightly improved.
It is not a slight improvement in role its huge, and I specifically answered the question earlier in the thread.
Personally I think the same can be said for any manager we hire
I've know that (And I've seen your latest edit) but the point remains, if he had the quality he would've believed he could make the step up at United. If he had bigger ambitions and we wanted him we should have managed the situation better. It's just another poor decision by the club either a) to hire him or b) to let him go within 12 months. Whichever way you look at it.
Are you writing Woodwards memoirs or something?
We are a company that’s making money despite our product. As long as revenue growth is strong, why would the board fire him?
I've know that (And I've seen your latest edit) but the point remains, if he had the quality he would've believed he could make the step up at United. If he had bigger ambitions and we wanted him we should have managed the situation better. It's just another poor decision by the club either a) to hire him or b) to let him go within 12 months. Whichever way you look at it.
Are you writing Woodwards memoirs or something?
Ah so you're arguing this point to lay the blame at Woodwards door step, now it makes sense.
Anyway I couldn't care less about that, its not exactly a poor decision by the club unless you have some agenda to make it seem so.
In isolation its something that can happen when you hire ambitious people, or if someone like McKenna leaves if hes offered a job as a 1st team manager are we going to say it was a mistake to hire him too?
And you are most likely correct since I don't see anyone that has managed a club successfully among the current potential candidates. Now I don't exclude the idea that one of them has the ability to do it, I mentioned it before but Zidane has the experience of what happens behind the scene the issue is that he doesn't have an extensive experience of what happens on the bench and on the training ground, he is probably still building his identity.
If Mourinho going meant Woodward going, I'd be all for it for the good of the club.
Profits last week were down and under his reign the amount of times we've failed to make Cl will have lost us a lot of money. When we don't make the CL and have to pay Mourinho's final year off, he'll have lost more money than he's made.
This myth he's great for us off the pitch is bollocks really, we've made more money on things that all our rivals have made more money on too. The brand (eurgh) of Manchester United is held in much lower regard since the day he took over the C.E.O role. He's done awfully.
He won't go. He just need to focus on the business outside the football matters and bring someone who understand football.
Who do you see deciding who will be the DoF?
As much as I’d love Poch and Mitchell as a team, I think this is beyond them. The first signing, somehow and from someone significant, needs to be Edwin Van Der Sar. Has worked absolute miracles at Ajax.
Can this thread page be renamed?
It’s clearly not happening anytime soon. It’s like a ousmane dembele set to sign for Utd thread , we all want it but it’s not going to happen.
It’s clearly not happening anytime soon. It’s like a ousmane dembele set to sign for Utd thread , we all want it but it’s not going to happen.
Director of football is a must appointment, and his first task will be to find a new manager and to ensure we have the players he needs to succeed.
We do have a young group of players, but we need some success to keep players like De Gea.
We do have a young group of players, but we need some success to keep players like De Gea.
This idiot really need to go. There is no other club in the world that spent hundreds of millions and have one of the highest wages in world football but plays like a mid table premier league team without any system or cohesion. This really defies logic. This is sheer stupidity and incompetency from the very top. Something has to change as the club is losing money and fans all over the world. The situation doesn't seem to be improving anytime soon. The club share had also plummeted in NYSE.
Maybe Woody really think we are too big to fail. We can keep playing stone age football to grow the brand. We have hundreds more millions to throw away. City's planning, structure and system in the club is by luck. Given time Jose can get us play attacking football and be the runaway league champion season in season out.
Jose and the club's current system and structure are so obviously not working and this clown is still sitting on his ass doing nothing.
Finally why must we keep waiting until mathematically impossible to get top 4 to sack a manager?
Maybe Woody really think we are too big to fail. We can keep playing stone age football to grow the brand. We have hundreds more millions to throw away. City's planning, structure and system in the club is by luck. Given time Jose can get us play attacking football and be the runaway league champion season in season out.
Jose and the club's current system and structure are so obviously not working and this clown is still sitting on his ass doing nothing.
Finally why must we keep waiting until mathematically impossible to get top 4 to sack a manager?
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Just fire him already.
Can he fire himself?
We need to boycott United's sponsors (maybe a petition among the fanbase and perhaps a small legal bonfire of some of their products)?. Cancel MUTV subscriptions, refuse to turn up at games to speed up the process. Because it will happen naturally but take too long. We need something dramatic from a business sense. Yes it is time to cut off the nose to spite the face.
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