Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)

[sunama]

This is the case at every club. How many clubs buy young talent and instead of keeping those exciting talents, sell them for a lot of money? There are even examples of this happening at Oil Clubs. City were interested in Sanchez, yet they decided to wait for the summer when he was on a free because it made more sense financially.

The top clubs (Juve, Barca, Madrid, Bayern and now PSG, MCFC) aspire to win the biggest trophies.
Our aspiration is top 4 (any trophies are a bonus).
That's the difference.

Regarding player purchases, us fans, want us to focus on on-pitch performances, not on financials. Personally, I don't care if our revenue went up/down by 5%. It makes no difference to me. Drawing to CP (as we did 2 days ago), is what bugs me. Unable to attack teams is frustrating to watch.

 

[sunama]

They need to get a DOF in more urgently than a manager, put a interim manager in if need be, then let the DOF suggest managerial candidates. I would not trust Ed to do that job right.

I don't believe that there is any urgency to hire a DoF. Woodward is quite happy to be doing that role and given that he saved us from selling Pogba and Martial (who turned out to be good this season), he'll see this as vindication that he is the right man for the job.

 

[spwd]

Although if might give them extra time to actually get it right this time. I do not want them to just go out and get who is available. There has to be a proper plan for once. If our season is done then a few more months will not matter. They need to get a DOF in more urgently than a manager, put a interim manager in if need be, then let the DOF suggest managerial candidates. I would not trust Ed to do that job right.

Completely agree, If they want to go the DOF route and they know Jose is going at the end of the season at the latest then they need to do it now to give him the longest time possible. Putting McKenna and Carrick in charge for the rest of the season shouldn’t make us any worse than we are now and it might actually make us better, just twiddling our fingers like the last two times is ridiculous and wont achieve anything other than wasting more time.

 

[Red_Ramirez]

We need one asap

Mourinho/Woodward, LVG/woodward have bought fecking snowflakes who have the talent but lack the character and mentality to play for a club the size of Manchester United

the shirt is weighing down on many of these players

When you have clowns like Pogba and Martial considered as our best players you know we're in the shit...

 

[Freak]

Tell me more about this Berta dude. Atletico Madrid don't exactly play attacking football so why are we looking to bring him? Shouldn't a DOF have a philosophy in line with the club's history and style?

 

[cheeky_backheel]

If I were taking the job, I would want Jose out first, no point taking a job and the manager isn't supportive and will likely attempt to undermine you.
He doesn't get who Jose wants in Jan and Jose will scapegoat him for the remainder of a poor season (if thats how it went)

You want to wait till Jose fired (unlikely before late in the season), then DoF appointed, want to appoint new manager, and also work with new manager for transfers? That is a recipe for a wasted summer imo.

DoF should be appointed as early as possible to influence the selection of next manager and summer transfer targets

 

[JPRouve]

Tell me more about this Berta dude. Atletico Madrid don't exactly play attacking football so why are we looking to bring him? Shouldn't a DOF have a philosophy in line with the club's history and style?

DOF's aren't really marked by style, if the club wants an emphasis on a certain style they just have to highlight it.

 

[Yagami]

We need one asap

Mourinho/Woodward, LVG/woodward have bought fecking snowflakes who have the talent but lack the character and mentality to play for a club the size of Manchester United

the shirt is weighing down on many of these players

When you have clowns like Pogba and Martial considered as our best players you know we're in the shit...

The lengths some still go to to have a go at our best two outfield players is something. Especially as, despite what you're saying, they've shown plenty of fight during their time here.

 

[Jazz]

Is Berta using us to get more money out of Atleti? If not, get his ass here NOW!

 

[Adisa]

Tell me more about this Berta dude. Atletico Madrid don't exactly play attacking football so why are we looking to bring him? Shouldn't a DOF have a philosophy in line with the club's history and style?

The way Atletico play is purely down to Simeone.

 

[Adnan]

The lengths some still go to to have a go at our best two outfield players is something. Especially as, despite what you're saying, they've shown plenty of fight during their time here.

Mourinho apologists deflecting blame..

 

[Jazz]

You want to wait till Jose fired (unlikely before late in the season), then DoF appointed, want to appoint new manager, and also work with new manager for transfers? That is a recipe for a wasted summer imo.

DoF should be appointed as early as possible to influence the selection of next manager and summer transfer targets

Yes this.

Give him a brief with the requirements - (1) Style of play Attack, attack, attack (2) Developing talented youth players. There will be other things but he can start with that and look for a new manager that fits that criteria imho.

The DOF is for the club's present and future, nothing to do with Mourinho and whomever else we hire. In fact, he wouldn't need to work with Mourinho if we decided to not invest in January.

 

[Adnan]

I just hope we get someone who works with a manager who plays a attacking brand of football. Howe or Poch would be my choices to work with Berta or Monchi.

 

[Skills]

Is Berta actually that good? I don't see many of Atletico's signings in the last few years working out outside of Griezmann and Oblak.

To me it seems like they've signed a lot of players in the last few years but have just basically stayed at the same level or gotten worse. Simeone continues to get as much as possible out of the players they have but they're not really improving with the new additions?

 

[arthurka]

Don´t give a shit who comes next. Just get Mourinho out.
Berta or not Mourinho needs to go.

 

[Cassidy]

You want to wait till Jose fired (unlikely before late in the season), then DoF appointed, want to appoint new manager, and also work with new manager for transfers? That is a recipe for a wasted summer imo.

DoF should be appointed as early as possible to influence the selection of next manager and summer transfer targets

The first few lines of my post read “if I were taking the job”.

Its not difficult when you read, maybe it isnt the club who is waiting.

With regards to Jose he should be fired already

 

[Foxbatt]

A DOF is not going to make much of a difference. What kind of a DOF do we want? Someone who believes in attacking and attractive football. Jose is not on the same wavelength. So how can a DOF make such a big change without getting a manager who believes in that kind of football?

 

[cheeky_backheel]

The first few lines of my post read “if I were taking the job”.

Its not difficult when you read, maybe it isnt the club who is waiting.

With regards to Jose he should be fired already

it doesn't change the argument cos a wasted summer is bad for everyone - manager, DoF and club. The only ones to possibly benefit would be our overpaid mediocre players who get to continue enjoying our hospitality

 

[haram]

What a farce. You give a manager an extension. Then you dont back him. Then you go searching for a DOF. Then you say you have to wait until the current manager is gone. No planning whatsoever.

 

[Cassidy]

it doesn't change the argument cos a wasted summer is bad for everyone - manager, DoF and club. The only ones to possibly benefit would be our overpaid mediocre players who get to continue enjoying our hospitality

Its not an argument since I never disagreed with the point in the first place

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Ah so you're arguing this point to lay the blame at Woodwards door step, now it makes sense.
Anyway I couldn't care less about that, its not exactly a poor decision by the club unless you have some agenda to make it seem so.

In isolation its something that can happen when you hire ambitious people, or if someone like McKenna leaves if hes offered a job as a 1st team manager are we going to say it was a mistake to hire him too?

In isolation this can happen. But our club being run like a circus is not due to one single event. The picture builds up from the many poor actions from the club combined together. Lack of succession planning / choosing managers that require totally different types of players, poor transfer strategy, leaks to the press (from board and manager), Ribalta joining and then leaving within 12 months, unable to sell on unneeded players, unable to sign players in required positions (ie. Playing ageing wingers as full backs and young strikers as wingers), extending Mourinhos contract then not fully backing him, I could go on...

All this points to a club being mismanaged, and yes, as our chairman is Woodward I will place much of the blame with him and the owners. This is not an agenda, this is analysis of the situation.

I'd also hope a DOF could put a more stable structure and processes in place.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Its not an argument since I never disagreed with the point in the first place

ar·gu·ment

1. 
   an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.
   
   
2. a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

What a farce. You give a manager an extension. Then you dont back him. Then you go searching for a DOF. Then you say you have to wait until the current manager is gone. No planning whatsoever.

It's laughable.

Give manager extension...

Don't back him...

Manager has elite team midtable after quarter of a season - don't sack him...

Announce that you're looking for a DoF...

It's literally laughable. Just sell the fecking club ffs, you don't know what you're doing and are embarrassing yourselves.

 

[davidmichael]

Every single time I see this thread bumped I think something genuinely noteworthy has happened, I think we’ll sign Sneijder before a Director Of Football.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

A request to moderators : please update thread title when there's some news about this.

I keep opening this thread in the hope of finding good news.

 

[Varun1]

Maybe this has been discussed before...
What if Jose has a clause about (not)working with DoFs? May be inadmissible, someone more knowledgeable can clarify.

 

[Cassidy]

In isolation this can happen. But our club being run like a circus is not due to one single event. The picture builds up from the many poor actions from the club combined together. Lack of succession planning / choosing managers that require totally different types of players, poor transfer strategy, leaks to the press (from board and manager), Ribalta joining and then leaving within 12 months, unable to sell on unneeded players, unable to sign players in required positions (ie. Playing ageing wingers as full backs and young strikers as wingers), extending Mourinhos contract then not fully backing him, I could go on...

All this points to a club being mismanaged, and yes, as our chairman is Woodward I will place much of the blame with him and the owners. This is not an agenda, this is analysis of the situation.

I'd also hope a DOF could put a more stable structure and processes in place.

Who is disagreeing that the club isnt run correctly?

When you blame Woodward for every single thing though (even someone leaving for a much better job) that becomes an agenda.

2+2 != 5

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Who is disagreeing that the club isnt run correctly?

When you blame Woodward for every single thing though (even someone leaving for a much better job) that becomes an agenda.

2+2 != 5

I think you need to re read my post before quoting George Orwell. I blamed Woodward AND the owners for MUCH of the problems. Not every single thing.

Nuance and detail seem to be lost in this place...

 

[Cassidy]

I think you need to re read my post before quoting George Orwell. I blamed Woodward AND the owners for MUCH of the problems. Not every single thing.

Nuance and detail seem to be lost in this place...

The point of the post totally being missed.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

A DOF is not going to make much of a difference. What kind of a DOF do we want? Someone who believes in attacking and attractive football. Jose is not on the same wavelength. So how can a DOF make such a big change without getting a manager who believes in that kind of football?

The point of getting DOF is to have someone in the club’s higher people to know how to run football club, ensure we keep our philosophy, set rule, have long term plan, schedule and etc. Ed is focusing too much in making money, Jose Mourinho is just a manager or a coach who doesn’t know how to run a football club, he wants some players but he couldn’t care less about the fees and wages. We know there is some limit in our budget but we don’t use them wisely and effectively.

If we keep wasting our money on the wrong players we will end up with a lot of deadwood in the club and not only that our wages policy has become part of the problem too now and we need to set limit on it.

When we had Sir Alex and David Gill, they know how to run a football club. They have some policy what to do in transfer and wages. We were unable to sign Modric and keep Pogba because of it but on the positive sides we are still winning, we made sure no players are bigger than the manager.

Good DOF might be able to choose a better manager for our philosophy.

 

[devilish]

We won't bring a DOF while Mou still in charge. He hasn't cooperated with one since his time at Inter. Once Mou leaves then maybe we'll get a DOF.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

We won't bring a DOF while Mou still in charge. He hasn't cooperated with one since his time at Inter. Once Mou leaves then maybe we'll get a DOF.

That would be a stupid logic

 

[Adisa]

Kill this thread while Mourinho is still here.

 

[devilish]

That would be a stupid logic

I agree it is. In my opinion we should get a DOF now irrespective whether Mou wants him or not. If he doesn't like where we're heading then he can always handle his resignation letter. Having said that, this is how it is. The club had been under a gentleman for so many decades that they simply have no idea how to address conflict.

 

[ash_86]

This theory about Mourinho doesn't want a dof needs to stop. Mourinho is not the CEO, Ed can bring who ever the feck he wants in charge and Jose has to work with him.

 

[Judas]

The theory will stop once/if it's proved to be wrong.

 

[breakout67]

The theory will stop once/if it's proved to be wrong.

Its been proven wrong already. His best work was at Inter where all his major signings were second choices scouted by the DoF.

Its quite simple, hire a competent DoF and Mourinho will work with him. Not someone like Avram fecking Grant.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

The theory will stop once/if it's proved to be wrong.

There is nothing to prove wrong.

Even at Chelsea, he came in knowing the setup and worked fine with it until the fallout came in the 3rd season over the failure to get stones. It was no different from his problem with Ed for not signing a CB.

Its not about DoF or not. He simply has a problem when he feels his ability to succeed on the pitch is being undermined by others.

But trust the anti-mourinho club to make up stuff to suit their agenda.

More so, Mourinho has said that he doubts we buy anyone in January, and if he is leaving in the summer, then there would be no need for him to work with a DoF. Thus If we dont get a DoF soon, its simply Ed choice of not wanting one.

 

[devilish]

There is nothing to prove wrong.

Even at Chelsea, he came in knowing the setup and worked fine with it until the fallout came in the 3rd season over the failure to get stones. It was no different from his problem with Ed for not signing a CB.

Its not about DoF or not. He simply has a problem when he feels his ability to succeed on the pitch is being undermined by others.

But trust the anti-mourinho club to make up stuff to suit their agenda.

More so, Mourinho has said that he doubts we buy anyone in January, and if he is leaving in the summer, then there would be no need for him to work with a DoF. Thus If we dont get a DoF soon, its simply Ed choice of not wanting one.

So he did clash with the DOF as he did at real.

 

[Judas]

I'd welcome Avram Grant.