The process also matters. Our results early on last year were good, the football wasn't good enough. Eventually it reflected in City pulling away.
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The process also matters. Our results early on last year were good, the football wasn't good enough. Eventually it reflected in City pulling away.
The results of his negotiating.
Just imagine the meltdown on here if we went in for a huge talent offering two barely functioning squad players and a smattering of cash. This doesn't reflect well on Barcelona at all.
Darmian, Rojo and £40m for Kroos. I know it doesn't personally affect me but it's genuinely a bit insulting that they thought they could get away with that. We're richer than them for feck sake and they offered us the left overs from Pound Stretcher.
Genuine question but how dp you see him realistically capitalising on Barcelonas interest in pogba?
Woodward finally getting Vermaelen. Making a perfect pairing with Titus Bramble in central defence.
If he even considers accepting a bid for Pogba this window, regardless of Mourinho he should be gone. In no situation (especially this late in the transfer window) is selling Pogba a good decision for the football side of this club. Selling him would be all about making money.
"watch this space" tick tock Ed
We all know we could do with a LB, LCB or a RW.
Alba, Umtiti and Dembele could fit those positions for us. If we get two of those who would say no right now?
Pogba replacement could be Modric or use your imagination and find a good way to spend some money.
I know that's what you meant. I mean that looking only at the results of one's work without trying to understand what's behind them is only looking at part of the picture.
Definitely needs someone to help with the football side of things. His talent lies in making money so he should stick to that.
Woodward has done some massive deals over the last few years (Di Maria, Falcao, Pogba, Ibrahimovic (wages not fee) , Lukaku , Sanchez and Mkhitaryan) - so on one hand he has the ability to pull massive names out of the bag but on the other there does not seem to be a plan to it all - and 3/4 of them signings were all with 2 agents pushing their own agenda to line their pockets (you could probably say the same for Sanchez aswell).
I read a tweet this morning that in 10 years since Abu Dhabi that City have signed 66 players to the tune of 1.6bn pounds , and that has won 3 titles.
We finished 19 points behind them last season with this current squad minus Fred , Dalot and Grant. (They have added Mahrez in this time).
Now normally i would not panic- Woody can get big signings done - but it is not what we need- if it is true what Mourinho said and he gave him a list of 5 players- the majority of these should have been signed- there are clear gaping holes in this team - Mourinho is a winner- he hates settling for second best- but Woodward himself has said even not finishing in top 4 doesnt effect us financially , that is clearly the wrong message to send out. If i was Mourinho i would personally walk, his record will look like he has spent around 300 milion quid- but how many of those signings other than Matic , Bailly and Lukaku was he 100% on board with- this is a bloke where the team is above all else .
SAF was obsessed not only with winning but with retaining the title year after year , in employing Mourinho we were getting someone cut from the same cloth but without the board or experience in place behind the scenes to realise this.
As fans now we would be happy with progress on the pitch and finishing second- thats the reality- as long as we finish above Liverpool , we may say were only happy with winning the league but we know it is far from realistic.
Football goes in cycles and we dont have a god given right to the league - but we should exhaust everything in trying- im afraid with a Glazer stooge only interested in making sure they get their dividend at the end of year dealing with our transfers that it will be a long time until we are back on the bike, we are not even peddling at this moment .
For me a change is needed- whether it be a DOF or a football person- an ex player brought in to deal with transfers alone who aligns with the managers thoughts.
Mourinho for me has done wonders with what he has to deal with behind the scenes- and he is not perfect- he picks stupid arguments and his not brash enough to play expansive football due to fear of loss rather than courage to win, he has had money - a lot of it- and some of his signings have been failures, so i understand why the board would be weary to release more funds, but penny pinching certainly wont get us any closer to where we want to be.
So yeah get that Rugby Union loving urchin out.
I read a tweet this morning that in 10 years since Abu Dhabi that City have signed 66 players to the tune of 1.6bn pounds , and that has won 3 titles.
We finished 19 points behind them last season with this current squad minus Fred , Dalot and Grant. (They have added Mahrez in this time).
Now normally i would not panic- Woody can get big signings done - but it is not what we need- if it is true what Mourinho said and he gave him a list of 5 players- the majority of these should have been signed- there are clear gaping holes in this team - Mourinho is a winner- he hates settling for second best- but Woodward himself has said even not finishing in top 4 doesnt effect us financially , that is clearly the wrong message to send out. If i was Mourinho i would personally walk, his record will look like he has spent around 300 milion quid- but how many of those signings other than Matic , Bailly and Lukaku was he 100% on board with- this is a bloke where the team is above all else .
SAF was obsessed not only with winning but with retaining the title year after year , in employing Mourinho we were getting someone cut from the same cloth but without the board or experience in place behind the scenes to realise this.
As fans now we would be happy with progress on the pitch and finishing second- thats the reality- as long as we finish above Liverpool , we may say were only happy with winning the league but we know it is far from realistic.
Football goes in cycles and we dont have a god given right to the league - but we should exhaust everything in trying- im afraid with a Glazer stooge only interested in making sure they get their dividend at the end of year dealing with our transfers that it will be a long time until we are back on the bike, we are not even peddling at this moment .
For me a change is needed- whether it be a DOF or a football person- an ex player brought in to deal with transfers alone who aligns with the managers thoughts.
Mourinho for me has done wonders with what he has to deal with behind the scenes- and he is not perfect- he picks stupid arguments and his not brash enough to play expansive football due to fear of loss rather than courage to win, he has had money - a lot of it- and some of his signings have been failures, so i understand why the board would be weary to release more funds, but penny pinching certainly wont get us any closer to where we want to be.
So yeah get that Rugby Union loving urchin out.
he's been inept this summer - only Blind has been sold and again we are fighting for scraps at the end of the window
we should have taken some sort of hit on Darmian/Rojo or whoever and paid the money for Sandro/Alderwerield.... it's sellers market - instead of getting these players sorted early we are relying on guys we've been trying to sell
on the RW issue.... apart from Bale I'd love to know who else we've atteptmed to sign
we desperately need a DoF or Head of Recruitment figure at the club
we should have taken some sort of hit on Darmian/Rojo or whoever and paid the money for Sandro/Alderwerield.... it's sellers market - instead of getting these players sorted early we are relying on guys we've been trying to sell
on the RW issue.... apart from Bale I'd love to know who else we've atteptmed to sign
we desperately need a DoF or Head of Recruitment figure at the club
Agree with pretty much everything you said and even the bit above, how much were those signings down to Ed? Like you say, one could argue most of those signings happened because of Jorge Mendes and Raiola.
I think the bloke is a clown when it comes to football. He's a banker who knows feck all about the game. He can't seal deals quickly, he can't even sell the deadwood. Chances are we're going into Friday's game with Darmian at right back. WTF? I'm no fan of Jose's style but you have to feel for him. He's got to use players who he's already told can leave the club a year ago.
When Pep wanted players gone, they went. Bony, Nolito, Fernando, Nasri, Kolarov, Clichy, Zabaleta, Hart on loan, Mangala...
If Pep had the Glazers at City he'd still be stuck with Zabaleta at right back.
The club is a shambles at the top.
What has to happen before fans start proper protests about the way our club is run?
A lot probably. Maybe if we don't sign anyone by Friday and Pogba leaves on August 31st, Mourinho goes on the war path, really rips into Ed and the owners in a presser, it might start off some protests.
I honestly don't know though. It's all quite depressing.
Remember some semblance of mutiny starting around the fag end of LvG's second season, when his dismissal was painfully stretched to breaking point. Fan banner saying "Ed, LvG and Glazers ruining the club" was removed by security.
Supporters have a lot of patience. It will take some time before something concrete happens. By then we will probably sign a crocked 32 year old Bale for 300K a week and present him in a glitzy video to once again distract the fans.
Woody logic:
Season 1, I got Jose the players he requested, he got me 3 trophies (Community shield included)
Season 2, I got Jose the players he requested, he got me shit, nothing more than a second place finish in a season where there was no battle for the league
Season 3, I got Jose the player that we always nagged about not having in order to free up Pogba (Fred), I got him a RB touted as one of the most sought after talent in Europe despite him being injured, got him a decent third choice GK
If you want to shut Mourinho for good, you would get him the players he wants, it's nothing new, we saw this everywhere.
The question is does Woody and the board think highly of Mourinho especially after last season's results and his banter regarding the club that pays him his salary (mocking United in front of the press), blasting Shaw, blasting Martial, blasting Rashford, praising McTominay.
Personally, I am with Woodward on saying no to Jose, a manager's true strength lies in the way he deals with what he has at his disposal. Why should we invest more to get Mourinho's type of players when Mourinho's type of play apparently doesn't suit the brand of football we are known to play? Just give him this season and dick him if he fails again, our group of players are too good to be sold here and there just to satisfy Mourinho's ego after a second season of feck all.
Season 1, I got Jose the players he requested, he got me 3 trophies (Community shield included)
Season 2, I got Jose the players he requested, he got me shit, nothing more than a second place finish in a season where there was no battle for the league
Season 3, I got Jose the player that we always nagged about not having in order to free up Pogba (Fred), I got him a RB touted as one of the most sought after talent in Europe despite him being injured, got him a decent third choice GK
If you want to shut Mourinho for good, you would get him the players he wants, it's nothing new, we saw this everywhere.
The question is does Woody and the board think highly of Mourinho especially after last season's results and his banter regarding the club that pays him his salary (mocking United in front of the press), blasting Shaw, blasting Martial, blasting Rashford, praising McTominay.
Personally, I am with Woodward on saying no to Jose, a manager's true strength lies in the way he deals with what he has at his disposal. Why should we invest more to get Mourinho's type of players when Mourinho's type of play apparently doesn't suit the brand of football we are known to play? Just give him this season and dick him if he fails again, our group of players are too good to be sold here and there just to satisfy Mourinho's ego after a second season of feck all.
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By the same logic you cannot criticise Jose. You don't know how he's leading the team in training, what he says to the players privately, how professional the players are in and around training etc etc. If we are to adopt some Wittgensteinian principle here we can just close down the forum.
By the same logic you cannot criticise Jose. You don't know how he's leading the team in training, what he says to the players privately, how professional the players are in and around training etc etc. If we are to adopt some Wittgensteinian principle here we can just close down the forum.
Not even remotely similar. Mourinho is possibly one of the world similes you could make. We can see how the players train. We can see how they play. We can see the staff recruited. We can listen to interviews. We can measure results in a very obvious and clear way. We see the players play on the pitch ffs!
These things cannot be done for Woodward(or can only be done in an extremely limited, skewed capacity).
Anyone with a strong feeling re Woodward is a moron. Unless you have a job within the Manchester United board, you do not know enough to pass any judgement on him - there are too many variables.
Woodward has to go and the Glazers MUST be more closely examined by the authorities if they don't invest in the coming days. Manchester United has been badly managed and under-funded compared to their wealth for more than a decade now.
If we don't sign anyone in the next 48 hours (Or are still stuck with Young and Valencia as our first choice full backs) I can see significant mutiny this season. It'll start online after our first few defeats, closer to October, and then by January the fans will be back to the green and gold campaign, which may force Glazers to take action.
He's in charge of recruitment. He's in charge of contract negotiations. I don't mind you having a different take on things. I even don't mind you being against people having public opinions on things they cannot fully understand. But calling them morons I feel is quite emotionally loaded.
LOL.
A lot of the frustration comes straight from the horse's mouth. It's public statements that are unsettlingly misaligned from what many United fans value. You can't blame them for reacting to it. Ironically, it would take that insider knowledge to absolve Woody because what's out there isn't pretty
Looking at the Paddy Crerand show last night and there was some very good callers. Quintan Fortune and Lou Macari were answering the questions asked, but it was as though they were afraid to say anything bad about the goings on, and how our team performed last season. The transfer situation was most on the agenda for callers, and there were all very unhappy.
Macari and Mandy who presented the show said they had never seen anything written about Pogba anywhere when one caller asked, but Quintan Fortune said he had read it every day of the last 2 weeks. The caller asked to call Pogba out to confirm to fans that he is happy here, and Mandy said she would approach him.
Macari and Mandy who presented the show said they had never seen anything written about Pogba anywhere when one caller asked, but Quintan Fortune said he had read it every day of the last 2 weeks. The caller asked to call Pogba out to confirm to fans that he is happy here, and Mandy said she would approach him.
And you're basing that on what actually ? And don't say it's his ability to close deals because that's a nonsense.
He's just too easy a target for some.
MUTV did a programme on him not long after the Fellaini saga and his knowledge of Manchester United's history, who is who and European football in general blew me away(and i'd guess anybody else that saw it that had similar doubts about him at the time would've felt the same after watching it), don't know maybe you did see it.....
On the last day of window, he's finallly going to unveil Toby.
And we are going to do Neymar for Martial plus cash,and everyone will be in love with him.
And we are going to do Neymar for Martial plus cash,and everyone will be in love with him.
Can't be letting facts getting in the way of a narrative now.
Yes judging by his ability to get in the players Jose wants and ability to sell off the deadwood.
He's been given a list of players and so far he's only landed Fred. Dalot is one for the future. How is that good enough?
Mourinho wanted a LB, Alex Sandro, a CB, Toby and a RW, Perisic, amoung others. Positions we all know we need strengthening in if we're to catch City.
If Woodward and the board don't intend to support Mourinho then why the hell is he manager and why the hell give him a contract extension? Which is it, are they supporting him but just incapable of sealing the players requested or do they no longer believe in the manager? Either way it's piss poor.
He also boasted in an interview once that we can do things in the transfer market that other clubs can only dream off. His first transfer window was a shambles, and with 48 hours to go he's on course to match it this summer.
Soz i'm a bit thick so don't know if you're agreeing with me, or strongly disagreeing
I'm agreeing mate
Woodward is the target but it's our managers who have put us in this mess, and I include SAF in that as well.I'm agreeing mate
You're having a laugh surely?
The guy just can't win, we've had fans for years saying it's embarrassing that we sell most of our players for peanuts, but pay over the odds for new recruits, well it's nearly always been like that, and the selling part i've no problem with and i'm proud the club do it, or did it, the club is offered a package for a player, and the less we take/took as a fee, the more the player gets, no harm in that, if a player wants away we try and help him, but now we are moving away from that, we'd rather keep a player until our valuation is met....
We don't know who the targets are, there is probably only a handful of people on the planet that do, so we can't really have a go at Ed for missing targets because we might not have been interested in them in the first place.
God knows why he gave Mourinho a new contract, least said soonest mended.
Thought at the time his comments about transfers was strange, but he was just reassuring fans that money was available, and would be spent when and if after a decade or more of penny-pinching, the fact we signed Pogba, Lukaku and Alexis on £500,000 a week suggest he is a man of his word, quite refreshing after years of David Gill and Martin Edwards.
SAF didn’t leave a squad that was capable, it was his genius and RVP that gave us that title, it wasn’t the squad.
Whichever way you look at it, we haven't signed any players since Fred 2 months ago. That is ridiculous. And thats down to Woodward.
I'll be amazed if we sign another 2 players in the next 48 hours. We'll be lucky if we land Toby.
Yeah, because Fergie knew his health would deteriorate in the Summer and his wife's sister would die. He just decided one day "let someone else rebuild this side."
Seriously hate all this "Fergie left us in a mess" shite.
I'm agreeing mate
Cheers mate, if you'd not replied i'd have worried about it all day
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