He's doing his job.
No signing lads. Boom!
Barca may have signed Vidal this week but has Barca got a new betting partner?
Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)
- Thread starter RedMachine03
- Start date
- Status
No signing lads. Boom!
Barca may have signed Vidal this week but has Barca got a new betting partner?
Well we just announced a new betting "partner"...
I'm sure that Mourinho has pointed out to him that if first preference fails, move on to next on list. He would surely have named a few players for the positions he wants to fill.
The two CBs signed aren't as big an issue as the Rojo contract extension. Who signed off on that because 5 months later we're having to offload him to bring another CB. There seems no real planning or foresight. It's all impulse
What odds is he giving on No Transfers.
What about this not so "Cafeish" conspiracy theory:
There is no real conflict between Woodward and Mourinho. Mourinho is actually very happy with the squad and the progress it made (resultwise at least) last year. Mourinho sees this year as the final year of his rebuilding of the club and the squad and he thinks that his team might actually be ready to challenge this year with one or two more world class additions.
Maybe this "list" for RWs for example included names like Bale and Neymar. And excluded anyone else. Maybe the same goes for LB: Alaba or Sandro for example. Both not available. And given that he will rather go into the season with a proven squad that knows his system and have been playing together for over two years now, than just marginally update a position given the risk that constitutes as well.
I dont think Mourinhos demands have been so high or rejected by the club as peope seem to think here. We might need to come to terms with the fact that we have the squad we have and play the football we do because of Mourinho, not in spite of Scrooge Mc Woodward or players being worthless. Mourinho might actually rate the players we have. There: how is that for a conspiracy theory?!
There is no real conflict between Woodward and Mourinho. Mourinho is actually very happy with the squad and the progress it made (resultwise at least) last year. Mourinho sees this year as the final year of his rebuilding of the club and the squad and he thinks that his team might actually be ready to challenge this year with one or two more world class additions.
Maybe this "list" for RWs for example included names like Bale and Neymar. And excluded anyone else. Maybe the same goes for LB: Alaba or Sandro for example. Both not available. And given that he will rather go into the season with a proven squad that knows his system and have been playing together for over two years now, than just marginally update a position given the risk that constitutes as well.
I dont think Mourinhos demands have been so high or rejected by the club as peope seem to think here. We might need to come to terms with the fact that we have the squad we have and play the football we do because of Mourinho, not in spite of Scrooge Mc Woodward or players being worthless. Mourinho might actually rate the players we have. There: how is that for a conspiracy theory?!
Considering that for the second year in a row we have been linked only with Bale (impossible to get him especially with Ronaldo leaving), Willian and Perisic (average, relatively old and overpriced) makes me have doubt about it.
We saw right wingers going for reasonable prices in Malcom, Mahrez, Shaqiri among others, and we were not even linked with them. Almost surely, Mourinho's list for an attacker contained only those three names and he really wants Willian. If that is the case, then Mourinho has only himself to blame.
Very weak, considering that if this is the case, Mourinho wouldn't have spent so much time on moaning about lack of transfers.
I have mentioned before about these global partners. I would rather we had some big deals but not as many. World famous names. Surely less of them it makes them easier to remember and more likely you would use them. Most of them I have never heard of in the first place and certainly cannot remember who sponsors what? At times it is overkill. I suppose that is not how it works though.
Global partners are not made for you to remember their names, but for United to get money from them.
Sandro was available, the board haven't wanted to pay the fee Juve have been asking for.
Woodward has been called out before for not being able to get deals done, in fact the press even said he was humiliated by his inability to get deals done as far back as the 2013/14 season. He has not had the clout or nous for a very long time. And as for the players he has done deals for the vast majority aren't even here any more 3 seasons later (Di Maria, Depay, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Blind). Even LvG has called out Woodward for not signing high quality players: https://metro.co.uk/2018/05/30/loui...y-manchester-united-transfer-targets-7589702/
Every player is available. Even Ronaldo whom Juve just signed is available. The point is not if a player is available, but if the evaluation of that player from both clubs matches.
If we're not willing to pay for someone like Sandro, which LB will be willing to pay for ?
Yes, you are right there, I do think he is holding out for Willian and he certainly would be to blame if he doesn't get him. All these you mentioned would scored and create goals for us which is exactly what we need. I would wonder why they were not on list. Perhaps he felt that Woodward would be able to negotiate and bring in either of Willian or Perisic. There is something not right about it all.
We were likely willing to pay for Sandro, just not as much as Juve wanted. Juve want to win UCL, they just invested circa 400m in a 33 years old player with 0 resale value, and a large sum of money for an oldish defender. They weren't suddenly going to sell their staring LB (who is one of the best in the world on his position) without having a truly absurd fee going for him.
That is assuming that we were for him in the first place. The likes of Di Mario - as far as I know - never mentioned it.
According to Twitter Woodward is in France on holiday and is due back wednesday.
Bring us Mbappe and Maguire please Ed and sack Jose.
And what's the problem ? Even if they asked for 60-70m, why not pay for the best LB you can simply get in the market, in a summer which you spent only 70m overall on Fred and Dalot and sold Blind and may sell Darmian ? It's like we ourselves were in shortage for money or in a problem of FFP, or going to pay on an average player.
Any decent player we'll approach will be +50m. If we're not willing to spend, we'll be left behind the clubs that have no problem spending, and some of them are in the Premier League with us. Even Liverpool who were used to pay less and get average players are actually starting to throw 50m and 70m everywhere to compete.
We have a shortage of money though. The over investment since Fergie left have made sure of that. And we cannot just stockpile players. We have 2 senior LBs who combined get as much money as Kevin De Bruyne.
We also don't know how much money Juve wants. Considering that this might well be a 'now or never for UCL' with respect to Sandro, maybe Juve asked much more than that sum of money you mentioned. What if they asked for 100m? Or 150m? Should we have just signed him cause he is the best LB we can get?
Also maybe Juventus were willing to sell when we first approached them but Spinazzola injury in May probably changed their plans, their fee or both.
We have been very comfortable when it comes to FPP part and things like these for years. Our net spend every summer almost never exceed 150, and it was much lower in some years as well. This summer we haven't spent much. Our net spend this summer is about 54m only. Even spending 100 more millions shouldn't be a problem. Sell Shaw and Darmian and get Sandro.
What if every club asked for insane money for a top player to leave ? Will we end up not signing anyone and letting the other clubs that are willing to pay buy them ?
The transfer fees have went crazy ever since that Neymar deal and it's not going to go down any time soon. We simply need to adapt. 50m is the new 20-30m.
Or Option C: the whole Sandro saga was media manufactured dung. There were no specifics, no reported bids, no negotiation updates to indicate a concrete interest. Just the old 'united are interested in player x' story that's run every summer
Read ravelstone Post about our financial situation. Let's be fair, over the years here, he has been the only poster who has had a clear view of our financial situation rather than we are rich so we can spend xxx amount of money.
According to him, after the interest payments and debt we had circa 150m pounds to spend, but then we had to pay a lot of money to other clubs from previous years deals. So after that money and the current years transfers, we have another 15m (probably a bit more) to spend, unless we make transfers in that way as to pay for them in the future (which also means that we can spend less in the future).
No one cares about FFP, in case of United isn't worth mentioning it cause all the money we spent is money generated from the club. The question is can we continue spending large sums of money every summer (which let's be fair, no club, not even City or PSG does it) while our massive wage increases cause we just stockpile players? And can we do that after Mourinho didn't manage to improve much our team even with the money he has spent already?
I'm not talking about United in particular, Alex Sandro was linked to several clubs like PSG in France. It seems that at some point it was a possibility.
But then PSG - a state backed club - didn't sign him which means that Juve aren't willing to part with him unless a ridiculous amount of money is offered.
Can't we simply recoup the money by selling the various deadwood ? The likes of Shaw, Darmian, Rojo, Jones ..etc. They all take insane wages, either not useful or never play, and I'm pretty sure any midtable club in the league or Serie A will happily take them. Darmian could have left ages ago but we kept persisting on 20m for him that we're going to keep him for only that. And talking about giving these deadwood a giga salary of money speaks poor about the club planning imo.
Regarding the bold part, what's Mourinho related to this ? The board is buying for the team not for the current manager only. Pretty much all clubs pay to strengthen the team now for afterwards not just for the current manager. Investing 100m in Pogba isn't a waste of money, even if Mourinho failed to get the best of him, the next manager can do it. Same for Lukaku, same if we sign Sandro, same if we sign anyone really. The board main aim is the team, not the current manager alone.
Was speaking to a Liverpool-supporting friend of mine and he made an interesting point. He reckons that in Rodgers' last summer, the board were just waiting for Klopp to become available and were already planning for his arrival, buying players who would mesh wish his style of play.
Whether or not Woodward's looking towards a new manager, it's certainly possible that we refused to sign Willian and Perisic because Woodward doesn't feel Mourinho's going to be there much longer and doesn't want to clutter the squad with ageing players on big wages. If Mourinho is only willing to consider this kind of player, that might be a reason for the inactivity.
Whether or not Woodward's looking towards a new manager, it's certainly possible that we refused to sign Willian and Perisic because Woodward doesn't feel Mourinho's going to be there much longer and doesn't want to clutter the squad with ageing players on big wages. If Mourinho is only willing to consider this kind of player, that might be a reason for the inactivity.
Isn't it the insane wages that is preventing the sales. They won't take a big drop in wages. That is terrible from whoever negotiates the wages on our behalf. That is why Shaw is quite happy to sit on his contract and go for nothing.
That's what I said. Giving this giga salary of money to average players from the start speaks poor about the club's planning in general.
As you said the Darmian transfer is down to us, just sell him, get money in and get him off the wage bill. If Valencia isn't fit it might be awkward, unless we play one of our CB's there.
Actually I have reached a point with Darmian that I'll welcome Lindelof as a RB more than him.
Should have sold him for 15 and go on. No one is going to pay anything higher than that.
The problem is that we cannot get any half decent RB for 15m. With Valencia being 33 and Dalot having played 8 times on his senior career, it is a bit risky to do so.
I think this is relevant for a number of our players. We could easily sell 4-5 players without weakening our squad unless major injuries occur.
Mata, McTominay, Darmian, Jones, Rojo. And we would still have adequate cover.
I suppose that's how he keeps his job.
Dalot should able to do a job similar to Darmians level either way. Same with TFM and Lindelof.
Then that should be his job, get someone with a track record as a DOF to deal with transfers.
Darmian played only 17 matches last season, including only 8 in the league, from which he started 5. He's not going to get missed because he wasn't playing anyway.
We have no idea about it considering that last year he wasn't good enough even for Porto. Of course, players at his age can progress rapidly but it is still very risky
Shocking summer had by Ed tranferwise. Hope we learn from this summer for next. Sell your deadwood early on (darmain) get it targets in earlier too and don't lose out on player cause of a few million (perisic) and have a United front with the manager. Or just get a DOF and leave Ed make money for the club. The summer's he has been in charge have been in general very hectic and from the outside don't look planned. We were blessed to have gill and fergie at the club,wonder would we be in different position now if gill had stayed for another 12months after hearing fergie was going. Shouldn't have lost both in same summer
- Status