Do you really think Woodward is going to have someone else picking the United managers?
Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)
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Do you really think Woodward is going to have someone else picking the United managers?
Not I. This feels like lip service, the way the Academy transition took a year to come about leads me to believe that a proper strategic review needs to be thoroughly looked at before implementing. It is something that won't happen with a revolving door of Managers. It needs to be started, finished and completely before a manager cycle has ended and for the next manager to transition into.
Since Mourinho has won major(minor) trophies here I can't see it happening. Plus the prophecy of him blowing up clubs and leaving (which I don't buy into, I can see him here for 10 years given the right circumstances) makes all of this even more of a mess to try and clean up. I can just see it being a mess put on top of a mess and then the issue compounded. Especially with an organization such as the size of United.
Yep. Sign a manager who is known for shit and effective football, don't sign him all the players he needs to achieve that shit and effective football and then delay sacking them, essentially writing off our season. Jose might not have won anything this season if he got everything he wanted, but it makes feck all sense to hire a manager who has never been known for really improving young players etc. (which a lot of our squad is) and then expecting him to.
Paul Mitchell.
Id like to see McKenna stay on as Assitant to what ever manager may next especially of its Poch. I feel like Mitchell, Poch and McKenna would blend well.
Also, Id like to see Rio and Evra offered youth roles. Rio could take U21 manager role, for example. He seems good with youth, knows the club and also seems like a good motivator. Evra mainly because i love him.
Id like to see McKenna stay on as Assitant to what ever manager may next especially of its Poch. I feel like Mitchell, Poch and McKenna would blend well.
Also, Id like to see Rio and Evra offered youth roles. Rio could take U21 manager role, for example. He seems good with youth, knows the club and also seems like a good motivator. Evra mainly because i love him.
Nope. It's just wishful thinking.
At this point Ed’s a necessary evil. It seems every manager we have needs at least 150 million transfer budget every summer to make top 4. At least we can agree Ed’s good at getting sponsorships and without his tractor deals we won’t give these managers the ridiculous money they need which is now the only way we can compete apparently.
Ed is the reason they need 150m every summer though. It's due to a lack of consistency and planning that managers who come in aren't happy with the squad.
They're usually given whatever they demand. It's his fault for giving those managers too much power and being far too reactive in regards to sacking them. Those managers are still the ones at fault for wanting certain players and failing to get the best out of certain players.
If we have a certain direction and plan and are hiring managers that are following this direction this mess wouldn't have happened.
Hiring managers contradicting each other in play style every 2 years while you're in a rebuild process proves he's absolutely clueless when it comes to setting a plan for the team.
We lack identity and direction, and it's all thanks to Ed and the way he managed the club so far.
That's the thing - we shouldn't need such drastic changes to personnel and style everytime we change managers. That's down to Ed and the board. The transitions between managers is laughable at best, in a climate where managers feck off at most in 3 years.
You're right that it's still the managers fault too, but managers are going to get some transfers wrong and when they're not staying for long, it could be the difference between winning major trophies and not. This is especially the case when managers are coming in and chopping and changing our whole squad.
Dont forget his constant dick waving about how much money we have to spend on players the tw@t.
Disgusting that he hasn’t fired Mourinho yet. They both need to go.
Who should've Utd appointed as manager after Ferguson left? Guardiola was always going to Bayern and Klopp was still at Dortmund. Should it have been Jose Mourinho straight away? Or possibly even Rene Meulensteen to make the transition smoother?
To me blaming Ed (and he definitely deserves a lot of criticism, don’t get me wrong) deflects blame on the manager who I think is most at fault.
We seem to be the only club that needs 3 years and half a billion spent before our brilliant managers can implement their style and make it work. Yet I watch teams appoint new managers all the time and they take just a few months to change the philosophy. I also see newly promoted clubs with a fraction of the budget who play far better football than we do. And let’s be honest it’s not like there’s a massive difference between Mourinho’s and LvG’s brand of football either.
Exactly.
The managers are to blame for the actual football and a lot of the recruitment. Woodward is to blame for having no direction which leads to bad manager hirings, and ultimately leads to United playing bad, unproductive football. Woodward is the root cause, but this truth does not change the fact that the managers are directly at fault for the display on the pitch.
I feel like many are excusing the managers because of Woodward which should not happen. Woodward being the root cause also doesn't mean the next manager is doomed to fail as if Woodward is some mysterious force that causes managers to fail. Woodward being the root cause of this only means that there is a greater chance that the next manager hired will be bad for United.
It is possible to blame more than one person, and not have to state that Jose is under-performing with every post that doesn't mention him.
If someone feels that Woodward has made bad hires and failed to create a long term footballing strategy for the club, it doesn't mean that they think Jose is performing well.
There are clearly problems at every level of the club, from the owners, to the CEO, to the manager, to the players.
Woodward hires badly and doesn't appear to have that strategy in place. If a new manager comes in and does well (challenges for title), it won't be because of Woodward's ability to do this part of his job. There will be a lot of luck involved.
And who's responsibility is it to ensure Woodward is doing this part of his job correctly? The Glazers.
The part of Woodward's job that the Glazers are most focused on though are his commercial goals. He's doing well in this area, and although he's probably feeling uncomfortable about sacking a third manager in a row, I don't think his job is on the line.
Obviously the Glazers and Woodward are here to stay, as long as the profits keep rolling in, so my one hope is that Ed finds it within himself to become self-aware, appoint a director of football who agrees with the clubs traditions, and then takes a step back.
If someone feels that Woodward has made bad hires and failed to create a long term footballing strategy for the club, it doesn't mean that they think Jose is performing well.
There are clearly problems at every level of the club, from the owners, to the CEO, to the manager, to the players.
Woodward hires badly and doesn't appear to have that strategy in place. If a new manager comes in and does well (challenges for title), it won't be because of Woodward's ability to do this part of his job. There will be a lot of luck involved.
And who's responsibility is it to ensure Woodward is doing this part of his job correctly? The Glazers.
The part of Woodward's job that the Glazers are most focused on though are his commercial goals. He's doing well in this area, and although he's probably feeling uncomfortable about sacking a third manager in a row, I don't think his job is on the line.
Obviously the Glazers and Woodward are here to stay, as long as the profits keep rolling in, so my one hope is that Ed finds it within himself to become self-aware, appoint a director of football who agrees with the clubs traditions, and then takes a step back.
Few things here, firstly, I'm not deflecting blame from the managers, they are also responsible. Let's break it down though, firstly our "brilliant managers" are chosen by Ed, he is the one who is also responsible for the transitions between managers. Also, yes, the difference between Jose and LVG's styles are huge. One prefers patient build-up play with an emphasis on possession, the other is direct and more counter-attacking based. It makes no sense.
The transitions at other top clubs are far more seamless, they don't go years without success. At most they have a few months of a bedding in period more often than not. Mainly due to a DOF and a long term vision. It's why managers who generally succeed in those environments would probably struggle if they were to manage us.
I tend to agree.
My thoughts exactly. It is extremely frustrating that me that all of our fanbase can't see this issue.
Changing the manager alone will not fix us.
Changing the manager alone can fix us and by fix I mean the display on the pitch. Except that if it does, it probably means that Woodward got lucky on his next choice of manager. Woodward being incompetent only means that there is a greater chance that he will hire the wrong manager. That is why a DOF is needed as he will have a vision for what he wants in a manager, and he will take away some of the power the manager has when it comes to player turnover.
Say Woodward does hire the right manager. The football on display will be much better and that will fix a lot of the problems. The problem that is Woodward means that when it comes time to hire a new manager after that successful manager, it's likely United go back to the mediocre United of today.
A manager is indeed a short term 1-3 year fix, but long term, a manager alone cannot fix United unless said manager becomes our next Fergie-lite.
Is it a fact that all those years Eddy has been buying the players that the managers did not want?
I see people say this a lot in here. I want to genuinely ask; Do sponsors really care about and look out for brand of football or they are mainly interested in our club profile and trophies?
The gravest mistake was appointing Moyes and that was honouring Fergies wishes.
No one is excusing managers. I wanted LVG gone and want Mourinho gone now. Both leaving is definitely part of the solution, but it's not all of it if we didn't change the other problems.
There's a big chance the next manager will come and as much as LVG and Mourinho, will end up not liking half of the squad as it's built on different ideas than what he likes. That's all due to lack of direction. We're not signing players that can b built on for any upcoming manager as we don't have any strategy in the market.
It is our management who's incapable and I dont think they will make a smart, logical move anytime soon
I agree with this
This grand announcement of his about appointing a director of football.....it's starting to drag on a bit, no?
I would love to see a gif every time I came on here, a big digital clock counting out the seconds since the announcement.
But maybe there will be an announcement soon of a double appointment? Just so much procrastination at the club now while the football crumbles.
I would love to see a gif every time I came on here, a big digital clock counting out the seconds since the announcement.
But maybe there will be an announcement soon of a double appointment? Just so much procrastination at the club now while the football crumbles.
Yeah, cause there are lots of good English players to choose from
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All correct and you could add more but people seem to think pointing to money amounts to a counter argument. Hes been a disaster in a football sense and also a pr sense- a laughing stock
I'm giving the club and especially Eddie-Ed-Balls the benefit of the doubt at the moment regarding a DOF or whatever the title we end up giving this certain,hopefully well qualified,individual.
The club needs to be precise here.No rushing in.No more half arsed choices.We need to take our time and look at all the right qualified and talented people in this particular field.
This is Ed's and his colleagues biggest challenge relating to on the pitch matters.Get this right and fans may start to cut him some slack.
The club needs to be precise here.No rushing in.No more half arsed choices.We need to take our time and look at all the right qualified and talented people in this particular field.
This is Ed's and his colleagues biggest challenge relating to on the pitch matters.Get this right and fans may start to cut him some slack.
It’s just his opinion sults
There is no way Woodward will agree to that . The whole point on everything is that he has the final say on all matters including footballing side . He will not tolerate a strong character like Beppe Marotta in management since he will need to give up some amount of power to Marotta . I still believe Woodward is looking for sort of a yes man . Someone who is middleman between the manager and the management and who goes through all the scouting and advises Woodward on player recruitment while reporting to him but with Woodward having the final say on the signings .
To be honest Glazers dont really care about it since Woodward is making them a lot of money while expanding the commercial side of the team so they will keep supporting Woodward . I personally feel that Woodward will appoint an ex player as the DOF in order to appease the fans in a way considering all the bad publicity happening around the club and everyone slamming our team and style of play . They will want to hire someone who has roots to the club and is still sort of a yes man to Woodward .
I do believe we need to make a genuine appointment since its a very crucial position . Unfortunately I dont have much confidence that Woodward will make a proper decision but I would love to be proven wrong .
Writing Paul Mitchell at top of his post confused me, Geebs. Doesn't take much.
Our U23s already have Sbragia to deal with, would much rather we give the role to someone in the ilk of McKenna, we've got a really talented group of lads coming through in the next few years it'd be very risky to leave them in the hands of someone with no experience.
It's Uli Hoeneß above anyone else, he became Bayern's manager in 1979 at the age of just 27 and maintained this post until 2009 when he became president of the club. When he finally leaves the club for good, he will probably leave an even bigger hole than SAF at United.
He doesn't run the actual football team though so I doubt his influence is as big as you're making it out to be. The manager is the most important man at the club for me.
Lets take a look shall we -
Delaying signing Fellaini for too long and then over paying for Fellaini - Mgr's are fully sighted on their players contracts. why wouldnt you trust your mgr when he tells you the said player will come
Appointing David Moyes - Nope. Making things up because you are wrong. Was Fergies choice.
Waiting far too long to sack Moyes - Remember fergies give them time speech? moyes didnt even last 1 season and you still claim it was 'far too long'
Appointing LVG - develops youthful players? check. plays attacking football? check. without the power of hindsight, what was wrong with that choice?
Buying players LVG didn't want - who?
Waiting too long to sack LVG - Remember fergies give them time speech? we gave lvg every chance to turn it around as we should have, and as we've given the current manager.
And then sacking LVG the day after he won a cup - with the news being leaked on Cup final day - the season had finished, we then sacked him. whats the problem?
Constantly being reported as wasting time pursuing unattainable players (Neymar and Varane spring to mind). like you say, they are reports. how do you know its true? and in anycase, Pogba, Sanchez, mata could all be considered unobtainable at time. you sound like moyes not subbing rvp becuase hes scared what people might say
Buying players Jose doesn't want who?
Deciding he knows what represents what's best for the squad over Jose... But still keeping faith with Jose - what, Toby? Lets get it clear, he never said toby wasnt good enough, but that it wasnt a finacialy prudent decision to spend the required amount. name another example where he knows whats better over mourinho
Briefing the media against Jose, but still keeping faith in Jose - who said hes kept faith. maybe hes waiting till the manager we want becaumes available
As of right now he hasn't sacked Jose - only thing we can agree on
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