Woody's job is never at risk.
Which is a stupid way to run things, but that's United I guess.
Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)
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Woody's job is never at risk.
Which is a stupid way to run things, but that's United I guess.
Interesting turn of events, not sure he will join but Beppe would be a dream acquisition for United considering he has painstakingly handcrafted Juventus in the 2nd phase of post-Calciopoli period under the overall authority of Andrea Agnelli, who made a lot of big-money decisions as the chairman and owner. Their squad circa 2010 was littered with mediocre players like Amauri, Poulsen, Grygera, Zebina, Iaquinta, Melo...and Marotta/Paratici turned it on its head, so he's ideally suited to the task of rebuilding this United squad on a fundamental level provided we follow the model of making lots of signings and churning lots of players every season (he's a bit hit-and-miss to begin with but then finetunes the method to concentrate more on quality and specific fits), and don't meddle with his process (Woodward must stick to the financial side).
Restructuring the chain-of-command is a must if he's appointed, maybe to something like...
This structure is exactly what we need
Interesting turn of events, not sure he will join but Beppe would be a dream acquisition for United considering he has painstakingly handcrafted Juventus in the 2nd phase of post-Calciopoli period under the overall authority of Andrea Agnelli, who made a lot of big-money decisions as the chairman and owner. Their squad circa 2010 was littered with mediocre players like Amauri, Poulsen, Grygera, Zebina, Iaquinta, Melo...and Marotta/Paratici turned it on its head, so he's ideally suited to the task of rebuilding this United squad on a fundamental level provided we follow the model of making lots of signings and churning lots of players every season (he's a bit hit-and-miss to begin with but then finetunes the method to concentrate more on quality and specific fits), and don't meddle with his process (Woodward must stick to the financial side).
Restructuring the chain-of-command is a must if he's appointed, maybe to something like...
I just don't see how he'd go for a model like that where he isn't over all of football operations. Would be a tangible step down in responsibilities from what he was doing at Juve.
Great recruitment if true. Very professional and would bring stability to the club.
Just get rid of Mou first.
Just get rid of Mou first.
Woodward will never give up his dream of being a sporting director. This new guy is just a temporary mentor for him.Interesting turn of events, not sure he will join but Beppe would be a dream acquisition for United considering he has painstakingly handcrafted Juventus in the 2nd phase of post-Calciopoli period under the overall authority of Andrea Agnelli, who made a lot of big-money decisions as the chairman and owner. Their squad circa 2010 was littered with mediocre players like Amauri, Poulsen, Grygera, Zebina, Iaquinta, Melo...and Marotta/Paratici turned it on its head, so he's ideally suited to the task of rebuilding this United squad on a fundamental level provided we follow the model of making lots of signings and churning lots of players every season (he's a bit hit-and-miss to begin with but then finetunes the method to concentrate more on quality and specific fits), and don't meddle with his process (Woodward must stick to the financial side).
Restructuring the chain-of-command is a must if he's appointed, maybe to something like...
I think that if he is made co-CEO with same seniority in che club as EW he would be fine. I agree with the structure proposed by Invictus with the small amendment I would put the Manager/coaches under Marotta and make them report directly (and only) to him. Ideally they shoud have no contact at all with the Glazers and with EW, but just being employees of Marotta's department (the technical one)
To be fair, that was a general model and lacked specificity, plus the exact structure and interpersonal dynamics would be contingent on the profile/caliber of the manager — someone like say Jardim would definitely be under Marotta's thumb considering their relative standings in football, but Zidane has a grander personality and is an astute administrative mind (and there were murmurs of him seeking more authority at Madrid), so it would make sense to put them on a close to equal footing. Manchester United has historically given a lot of responsibility and authority to its manager, unlike a lot of continental clubs, and I wouldn't want that detail to change if we get the right person in charge, even though I'm an advocate of the DoF model and realize that managers are often glorified trainers at other clubs. It's in this club's DNA, despite the fact that we've faltered in recent years. In an ideal world, Marotta would be directly involved in the appointment of the manager, and the risk of him falling out with the manager, or vice versa, would be minimized — with them working in harmony towards a common goal (resurrecting United as a genuine European force) and marking their converging yet functionally disparate territory among themselves under the overall executive authority of the owners.
Does dortmund have a dof? Is he any good?
I'd like morrata too because of his history - but even someone like Van Der Sar won't be bad if he has seen how Ajax does things.
I'd like morrata too because of his history - but even someone like Van Der Sar won't be bad if he has seen how Ajax does things.
This is for sure, I considered it prerequisite for the potential new structure. Ideally Marotta select and decides the new manager, with the approval of the Glazers and no involvment at all of EW (who should just received the comunication for info once the decision is taken).In an ideal world, Marotta would be directly involved in the appointment of the manager, and the risk of him falling out with the manager, or vice versa, would be minimized — with them working in harmony towards a common goal (resurrecting United as a genuine European force) and marking their converging yet functionally disparate territory among themselves under the overall executive authority of the owners.
Hey, maybe Evra is the connection between Ed and Beppe
Knew Patrice would save this club one day
Knew Patrice would save this club one day
Is this ever going to happen? Or Is Ed too proud to let go of his toy?
Him and the board are not football people. They are shit at it and stupid. Our main problem before Jose and the players is the board which has absolutely no fecking long term plan.
IIRC the restructuring was Jean Claude Blanc's work, if the Glazer want to replace Woodward he is the man.
A director of football would be great for Mourinho. We would finally have someone that has the football intelligence that the average fan has and would be able to understand the messages that Mourinho sends with his team selections and tactics. What he did with Mctominay today was criminal and absolutely mental. Clearly struggling in an alien position with no clue how to hold an offside line and then has his only cover (lindleof) subbed off in order to leave him completely exposed and embarrassed for the third goal. Mourinho knew he either fecked up with selecting him and didn’t want to swallow his pride and sub Scott for rashford or even worse he intentionally subbed victor and not Scott in order to hammer home the message to the board. So far it has been sad because Ed clearly doesn’t understand football. He sees red shirts running around as billboards and money machines but nothing else. A DoF might get these subtle hints and do something to stop Mourinho abusing the club and supporters
Utd needs to be a bit careful about becoming that place where reputations go to die.
I'd think that there are a lot of people that would want written assurances before they'd become our DoF. Same as with being our next manager (assuming Mourinho becomes the 3rd in a row of highly respected managers to go). Even if Ed Woodward thinks Utd can do things other teams can only dream of; I'm not sure that means much to the Zidane's of the world (for example).
It might be getting harder than you think to get that right person.
I'd think that there are a lot of people that would want written assurances before they'd become our DoF. Same as with being our next manager (assuming Mourinho becomes the 3rd in a row of highly respected managers to go). Even if Ed Woodward thinks Utd can do things other teams can only dream of; I'm not sure that means much to the Zidane's of the world (for example).
It might be getting harder than you think to get that right person.
I've supported Woodward a lot and still think that he can be a great CEO for us once we figure out our shit on the pitch, but he has to act on Mourinho asap. We can't make the same mistakes of the past and wait too long, and waste the season in the process (while risking alienating players like Pogba, Martial etc.). I don't think Mourinho will be sacked soon sadly, but the writing has been on the wall before the season even began. We should have sacked him after last season.
Mou is done mate. If a DOF is appointed its probably to help out the next manager.
No disrespect but he looks on the old side - would he not be considering retirement over moving to England and starting a new job with us?
The time taken to look for a director of football has become as farcical as our performances on the pitch.
He's not going to get control stripped from him though, he's just adding a buffer between himself and responsibility. If he thinks he can tell Jose who he can and can't sign why would a DOF be any different.
Well, isn't that reason we don't have any DOF till now ? Because Ed wanted full power ? Even the talks ( who only emerge after a series of bad results ) are talking about technical director instead of DOF.
Ed wants to Perez vol 2 but he's simply not good at it.
I think we have no DOF because we've never had one in our history and Ed has thought he could simply take over from David Gill. I'm against a dof because I think a manager should get to pick his own players.
We didn't have one because SAF was doing and organizing everything at the club, everything. Once he stepped down we should have changed our views and hired a DOF to act like a proper club.
Disagree. No club works this way, living and dying by their manager's choices. You see why all other clubs keep sacking their managers why still succeeding and winning trophies ? Because managers are merely coach brought for coaching stuff, while the club has a certain philosophy and a long term vision for the club with building a squad that can succeed under any manager, so they just need good coaching. We seem to go from a philosophy to another depending on the manager present, which really and truly fecked us with the current squad being a mixture of players that can't link with each other on the field.
I see a lot of posters justify the dof model with this type of idea but ignore that there are dozens of clubs around europe who have a dof model and completely shit the bed every year in terms of transfers. Liverpool had a transfer committee that got them Downing/Carroll/Balotelli whereas now Klopp has the say on players. There's no active dof at Madrid and when there was they went 10+ years of getting KO'd in the champions league last 16. There's plenty of examples of teams who turn into a circus with a dof.
If the club thought our team was good enough that it didn't require a rebuild then they should have simply sought out a coach who had a similar philosophy to LVG but the reality was almost everyone associated with the club wanted nothing to do with his style of play and welcomed a clean out.
Well, DOF is like any other position at any club, you can hire a shite one who will be terrible in doing his work, and you can hire a pretty good who will take up forward. Depending on your choice for the job.
Same with managers. Pep get's his pick as does Klopp and so should Mourinho, or whoever follows him.
Pep has Tixki as a DOF with him in City actually, who worked at Barca before.
Our problem now is we have severe lack of identity ever since Fergie retired. I don't think chopping managers and living or dying by their choices alone will change much if this is the problem. A direction needs to be put for the club first, before appointing our next manager.
And what happens when the manager has a different view of what the team needs to a DOF?
The idea will be the DOF will actually be the one putting the club philosophy and choosing the next manager based on it, so they should be having a similar way of thinking, like Pep and Txiki.
That is why the DOF comes first. They shouldn't have a different view.
Does anyone honesty believe Ed will appoint one?
Not me
Not a DOF but Beppe Moratta is leaving Juve. Would love him at United
Exactly and Liverpool have a DOF too.
Ok then. How do we as the supporters of our club let 'our club' know that we want change and we want it now?
Does the club consult a section of the fans? A fan board or something?
We need to make our club understand that we as the fans demand a change.
How do we do this?
Does the club consult a section of the fans? A fan board or something?
We need to make our club understand that we as the fans demand a change.
How do we do this?
Me neither. That's why I think we'll be in trouble further.
Giuseppe (Beppe) Marotta is available! Just had a falling out with Juve president.
With him in charge of the football signings & Ed on the sponsorship side of things we could be back in business!
With him in charge of the football signings & Ed on the sponsorship side of things we could be back in business!
Somebody told me that the rumour is Zidane is replacing him next month? The meltdown on here will be next level...
Not if we get Beppe!
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