Need a DoF sharpish and pick a new manager.
Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)
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This man along with the owners is the biggest reason we have become a joke. It's a nightmare this spineless prick is in charge of the most crucial decisions for our clubs future. Let him have this job for another 10 years and you will still see the same shite. He would be the first one out if I was in charge.
WOOOW, let's feck our club even more with inept manager who lost his players in midseason to continue even more to buy Fellaini- like players into our club, we'd be like when Liverpool bought Aspases and so on.. jeses wept sacking moyes was a good thing, he even gave him the fulkl season to finish some reasonable position, this fraud of a manager Moyes managed to take a club from spot no1 to fecking 7th breaking records which weredozens years old. Who the feck I am talking to? Are you saying he should have had more time? Moyes. The decision no1 was weather tzo sack him or not, this woudln't be tolerated in any top club in the world.. it was right decision to sack him. With Van Gaal he brought attacking football(with the dutchmans record) youth development record and discipline? ecaclty what we needed, it was always gonna be a quick fix, I got it but noone esle was available and we needed to bounce back. You smartass can say now that he should have done this and that and we should be doing better but he did well with sacking Moyes and bringing LVG, Mourinho is another patch because simply noone epxected Van Gaal to fail so miserably and he provided all the money to get him who he wanted, he couldnt do more to back him up. With Mourinho born leader and his record , it was another good apointment, he backed him with money and got him whoever we wanted bar one overpriced player like Perisic. One player less doesnt make you fail so miserably right?
anyways it's waste of time to explain this all over again sorry don't wanna be too rude so I stop here, I said so much on this topic before
BTW if this is about DoF, which top clubs have DoF? Even if we should be trying to implement DoF, managers like to bu players into their systems and the club provided enough money to buy enough good player to perform well, after SAF, it was all to orushed and either Van Gaal and Mourinho had strong philosophy and direct demands for players so it was good to follow and buy what they needed. I think it's only good to buy players accordingly unless there is a youth talent we should be investing in, but ready made players I'd leave it up to a manager whether the players fits the right profile...
Or we at his that we blame Woodward for not bringing Bale, Thiago or Fabregas, when it was almost impossible to bring them here due to circumstances?
wow, you should get a ban, pathetic to look for a culprit and point at woodward, damn fecking hell like it's his fault that the best chosen managers at the time massively underperformed and that he backed them with all the finance and bought them the players they needed. jeses christ grow up and use your brain
The biggest issue with Woodward is his indecision regarding the sacking of managers. He (we) hang off until it’s too late, even though the eventual conclusion is clear as day. The summer fiasco was largely Mourinho’s doing and I backed the board’s logic (or at least the one they briefed to the press). But this a real criticism. He needs to sack Mourinho before it’s too late.
What the hell are you talking about ? Who said Moyes should have stayed ? Such a long pointless post.
My point is, once Ed sacked Moyes, his only plan was getting the best manager out of contract available. He did it twice. That's a terrible plan. Like seriously anyone in a leading job without a clue will search for the managers out of contract available, what's good about it ?
He should have put a strategic plan on rebuilding the squad in an amount of time and got a manager that suits them.
LVG and attacking football ? His Netherlands team in WC was extremely boring to watch, and his last club was with Bayern when he was sacked midway after the Bayern board went on public to say they don't like the football served by the team at this point. It was just as panic appointment as Mourinho one.
Ed didn't get a clue what to do with the team when he sacked Moyes, panic appointments and random spending of money led us to where we're now, 6 years and we're not even close to challenging. Time to question the ones in charge of all these appointments/transfers.
At this point you need to question the reason of so much defending of a man whose reign has been a total failure so far.
how come it's not a good paln
you're incredibly smart to say this right now he? everyone is a general after war....
tell me who would you appointed at all stages like 1/post SAF 2/post Moyes 3/post LVG 4/post Mourinho when we at it
it's really laugable like you mr noones are trying to give advieces the ceo of the beiggest club in the world on a football forum RETROSPECTIVELY, I'd liek to see your comments at the time when these things were done, you were probably silently in accordance with all of it. I am not saying myself I was satisfied with Mourinho myself but it is a justified choice after those three horrible years, obviously it turned out like a bad decision but who the feck knew
should he say that he will be sacked? cmon of course he wont say that publicly, think a bit please
Get him out of the football side of things asap.
He won't. Doesn't make financial sense for Woodward to ousted the manager at this moment. We are looking at a pretty hefty payout right now if Jose is sacked. Jose was very smart to agitate for a contract extension last season with all those reports about PSG wanting him. Now Woodward has no choice but to wait. He endorsed Jose in an investor conference just today and said that trophies are not a measure of our success. All he cares about is the bottom line. And at this moment, canning Jose and hiring a new manager will probably cost more than missing out on next season's Champions league.
It's a shite plan. Hiring managers with styles contradicting each others just because they're the best names available proves you have no clue what do you want from the club.
CEO of the biggest club in the world ?
First we're not the biggest club, and second, his reign has been absolute failure here.We cannot keep bunny hopping from manager to manager with completely different philosophies. We would just be spunking 300 million on a rebuild each time. We need a DOF that fits the united way and then he hires a manager who can implement the philosophy.
A 20 word reply....clearly your comment took a lot of thought!
are you one of those who would criticise the board for not doing anything so early in the season and the same a person who would criticise for not giving him enough time?
Do you think that Woodward is satisfied with how his team is doing? of course not to sack Jose as a first manager in Premier league and with his record and personality right now would be a bit insane, everyone expected some kind of recovery and to find a manager so early to the season right now will be difficult. Let's see for another three or four more weeks and give the guy some ultimatum, and I am sure we are already thinking about a replacement and we can figure that out, but if anything is hasty, this would be. For me ideal would be if Carrick and McKenna took over till the end of season, let players enjoy themselves and we could play some attacking football but I am sure there might be some other options but these two should be easy to replace if we decide to hire somoene at the end of the season.. when was the last time a top club sacked someone so early in the season anyway?
how many words, did you use? bet you can't count them. so what is the answer?
Lose Ed. Somehow. Now.
Chelsea just went from Jose/Conte to Sarri. From park the bus pragmatic football to possession based Sarri ball. They didn't have to spend 300m before Sarri could implement his style of play. This getting new managers a completely new team is only a thing at Manchester United. Most top managers can adapt to their new clubs with a couple of tweaks here and there.
Jose once sacked by Chelsea on September 20th 2007.
He's the hero United deserves...
Man, I think it's really easy to say now, that it was too alte Moyes, LVG or regarding Mourinho now, post SAF, there was a big pressure to give managers enough time, I could find so many people on this forum who were not satisfied with sacking MOyes so "early" first year at his contract. After 27 years of SAF, it was extremely hard to act so ruthless because of the conservative nature of our fans and everything around the club, he got time until it was mathematically impossible finish top4. I think it is fair play to him, he would be curcified by so many people, I'd say majority by sacking SAF's successor who he chose himself in mid season. Can you imagine it. Do you still remember? because I do, for some people Moyes was mesiah almost till the end of his tenure.
LVG finished 4th and made it to champs league, it was a progress after all while promoting youth players! the next season he was also sacked at the right time when we couldnt finish top4 despite success in FA cup. It was clear that the rebuilding is not going the right way and that after two seasons we are unable to play with a style and so on. Again you would find people who cooplained not giving him more time.
Now Mou, first season trophies even though minor, made it to champs league, second season 2nd place - progress, I mean for me it wasn't a success considering how many points behind the winner we finished and wouldn't mind replacement but who was available? still a lot of power in Mourinho's hands in his history and PR, a lot of people were willing to give him another season, I think definitely more than a half, I am sure, there is a poll about it.
Now we have another situation and it will be interesting and even though I despise Mourinho even though I managed to repect him once he became our manager, I am think we shouldn't be too hasty now unless we have a replacement and again who is it now? I would gladly give it to Carrick and McKenna and let the team enjoy themselves or find someone like di Matteo till the end of the season? I don't know wouldn't be my choice. We could agree on sacking him rather sooner than later I guess but it's still 6 weeks to the campaign and we wstarted with 3:0 in CL and are easily within reach to top4, manager who won champions league so many times can do it agian maybe? That's not my thinking but probably woodwards. It is a strong persona against him in Mourinho with his records, the odds of still making it into a good season. When was the last time a top manager was sacked after six weeks in btw? So it will be difficult next few weeks but I hope it come.
But tell me yourself, when would you sack the previous managers, at which point?? and tell me your replacements because that is crucial and the most difficult point. I mean that is really easy to answer because now we now the history but I don't think Woodward did wrong with appoing the men he did neither with time of sacking
The most I blame Ed for is his inability to be proactive and spot the danger. Twice we had situations where actions should have been taken earlier in order to limit damages if not even salvage our past season, he let things completely collapse before acting. I'm talking about Moyes and LVG were things were always looking dire yet he didn't act earlier.
Same is happening again. At any other top club Mourinho would have gotten sacked by now yet you have Ed in this corner who's about to repeat the same mistake a third time. The man is incompetent.
Same is happening again. At any other top club Mourinho would have gotten sacked by now yet you have Ed in this corner who's about to repeat the same mistake a third time. The man is incompetent.
Is he still trying to sell players Mourinho wanted out??
He and other people over Mourinho are useless and they need to leave before the manager
He and other people over Mourinho are useless and they need to leave before the manager
Really need to hire a complete badass of a DoF and give him enough runway to actually fix these structural problems
An accountant that’s got extremely fortunate in his career. He’s now in a job where football success is secondary to financial KPIs. A symptom of the modern world, sadly...
That will only happen when dumbward realizes that success on the pitch matters.
Ban for having an opinion, seriously? What rule am I violating? It's a fact now Jose wanted multiple targets this summer and Ed vetoed them all so he's basically going against the wishes of the manager he himself hired. If he doesn't trust him enough to land him what he wants then why not just get rid of him? He is only good for commercial deals and thats it. There is no way you can think Ed should be in charge of important decisions when he has zero long term plan when hiring someone. We all know Mourinho is going to get sacked sooner or later so thats 3 different managers and zero improvement at all. What makes you think the 4th guy he will hire will do any good when all previous 3 have been a fiasco? We need someone in his position who has a high understanding of football and a clear vision with a plan, not just some guy who does good in commercial deals and thinks hiring whoever and giving them 200m will automatically equal success.
Could Jose be the one to take Woodward down? If he sticks with him and this shit continues, finances will start to take a hit. Maybe not immediately but it will happen and the owners will start to grumble.
That's unfair to Woodward. He's done what a lot of smart people in powerful positions have done before him and will continue to do after him: Overestimated his abilities and underestimated his situation. He's run the footballing side of this club with similar principles to how he ran the business side of it, which has been catastrophic. He clearly enjoys getting his hands dirty with transfers, negotiations, etc. but it's been clear since day 1 (3 wise men, paying more than Fellaini's release clause) that he's been out of his depth. He's thought that hiring tenured, big-name managers as opposed to coaches would've allowed him to have his cake and eat it too by achieving success without having to delegate elements that he enjoys to others. Judging by the briefings about a DoF, I hope he realizes that he needs help badly.
Going by your post history in this thread, I think you need some help.Reminder that chinless ended our season before we'd even kicked a ball
I said the day before Leicester the fans should have asked for a refund.
Which of the 9 do you think are concerning?
He needs to accept that Mourinho isn't working out and be decisive in replacing him. This managerial stint is going nowhere.
He literally said this today. CAn't make this up can you?
I think its a lot more than 9, but the ones where his unhealthy obsession with Woodward became clear, so like all of them.
Wait, are you talking about me or the guy I quoted?
I'm talking about CA1, the poster I quoted, why do you think I'm talking about you?
I'm talking about CA1, the poster I quoted, why do you think I'm talking about you?
I think ignored users has me tripping up. I ended my post saying "I hope he realizes that he needs help badly" and the next post is you saying "Going by your post history in this thread, I think you need some help"
My fault.
He needs to accept that his leadership is directionless, that he knows nothing about football and as a consequence, resign. Woodward out.
He literally said this today. CAn't make this up can you?
Well what else did you expect him to say to investors? That we're in crisis and the sky is falling?
I never understood why so many fans put so much credence into what gets said during those conference calls,Ed's main job is to keep the bigwig fat cats happy so of course he'll always paint a rosy and stable picture irrespective of whether that's actually the case or not.
The post was a joke ffs.
My mistake 
Been a bit on edge as of late with the current state of affairs at the club so my sarcasm detector is a little off
Not used to a dumpster fire right from the offset of a season. Still getting used to this 'year 3 Mourinho' stuff and I can't say I ever will
Been a bit on edge as of late with the current state of affairs at the club so my sarcasm detector is a little off
Not used to a dumpster fire right from the offset of a season. Still getting used to this 'year 3 Mourinho' stuff and I can't say I ever will
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