Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)

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It's the club spending it on marketable players not for the footballing ability, it's the club undermining managers and giving players too much power, it's the club backing a manager financially up to a point of top 4 and then it receding quickly, it's the club turning Old Trafford into a shithole, it's the club more interested in sponsors than success on the pitch, it's the richest club in the world who will always spend less than City, Chelsea etc, it's an accountant making decisions on keeping/buying/selling players.

Mourinho getting us to 2nd was above our station in my opinion, we spent the 2nd most the summer previous which gave us some ground for finishing there but we were rightly nowhere near 1st. And then we pulled the plug and allowed Liverpool and Chelsea to overtake us again. Now morale is so low and the players know they can get the manager sacked, it would be a miracle if Spurs and Arsenal don't overtake us.

"Marketable players" like Matic, Lukaku, Bailly, Lindelof, Fred and Dalot? I don't think so. The most obvious player who fits that description is Pogba and we know for a fact that Mourinho wanted to sign him when he was at Chelsea.

I dunno about pulling the plug when we secure CL football. That's pure speculation. Although, if true, it's a shite state of affairs. I just don't think we have any evidence that this is happening. Don't forget that we got into the CL the season before last and followed that with a hefty spending spree.
 
Totally agree .I honestly find it unbelievable that Woodward is allowing the club to be dragged through the mud like this week after week month after month.
He needs to stand up with a show of strength he should be reminding everyone publically that this is the biggest club in the world and that no player is bigger than the club and anyone wanting out must hand in a transfer request or shut up .
He needs to publically back Jose in the strongest of terms or sack him immediately it is time to show we mean business rather letting this to slowly kill the season before it is too late because a finish outside the top 4 would be a disaster

I agree. But Woodward hasn’t the stones to do either effectively. He’ll drip feed his agenda to his media pals and earn a fortune lining the glazers pockets without ever really having a clue what he’s doing for the football club.
 
That was 500m over three managers though. Loads of which was wasted massively to the point that Woodward is now trying to reign in spending and didn’t stump,up for perisic and alderweireld. There’s not a person watching us this season that could argue those two in our line up wouldn’t improve us hugely. You could argue mourinho bought Bailly and lindelof, both of which still have potential despite being underwhelming but were they his first choice? Then look at the turnover of players at city. I’ve lost track of how many defenders they’ve burned through and still rely heavily on kompanys fitness. But mourinho should shut up and get on with it while Woodward blows smoke up everybody about varane and £100m signings and half the fans think he’s great for doing it.

Woodward sanctioned 37m mata, 56m Martial, 63m di Maria, 20 plus for schneiderlin, 30m for depay.
That’s over 200m on those alone that had little to do with mourinho. And after overseeing these deals and obscene wages for the likes of falcao and schweinsteiger he decides it’s now his place to tighten the strings. That may be a fair call but it’s a consequence of a mess of his own making. Another huge failing on his part.

Mourinho would also have delivered a title last year had city not blown even that huge spend away. Not forgetting he was tasked with rebuilding after two truly ruinous campaigns. As for klopp he’s spent 380m and hasn’t won a trophy so would wait until the end of the season to use him as an example personally.

Nope. A mess created by the manager he hired that decided to sign all those players.

Same applies to the shitload of money Mourinho has spent signing Mkhitaryan, Pogba, Matic, Bailly, Lindelof and Lukaku. Not one of whom has been an unequivocal success.
 
This summer's transfer window was an absolute fiasco and Woodward fully deserves whatever shit he gets for his contribution. That said, with the money he has already provided to Mourinho to spend on the squad we should be fecking miles better than we are. Which has nothing to do with Woodward.

Some of the players don't want to be here. They want to be at well run clubs competing with teams at the top (I'm speaking of pogba at the moment. )
His want to leave doesn't need to be even slightly personal towards Mourinho. In this state, we don't compete with teams at the top.

The other players look at a manager knee capped by Woodward at the start of the season -- or maybe, since they're professional players! -- they noticed that utd didn't buy the players needed, and assume we're not serious about competing.

I wanted to add that the players that aren't sold on probably help to make the atmosphere at the club toxic.

As had been said over and over, Woodward could have fired Mourinho before the season started if he didn't like his efforts. He didn't. So this is what we're stuck with, until people succeed in getting Mourinho fired. Constant turmoil in management is probably less costly to the clubs bottom line than buying the players to actually compete, so Woodward is probably a genius.
 
Nope. A mess created by the manager he hired that decided to sign all those players.

Same applies to the shitload of money Mourinho has spent signing Mkhitaryan, Pogba, Matic, Bailly, Lindelof and Lukaku. Not one of whom has been an unequivocal success.

So he can decide who we don’t sign or what they’re worth, but the players we do sign are solely down to the managers and Woodward was just being a top boss giving them full backing? I don’t claim to know how it works but from the limited glimpses we get it seems a few people compile lists of desirable players for certain positions and the money men go get them. I’d like to see the list of players we’ve failed to get or deemed not worth it. I’d like to see the list of managers we’ve failed to get or deemed not worth it, the ones we weren’t able to make Manchester United an attractive enough option to.

Separately I think we could sign messi tomorrow and see him not be a success. Have him managed by any manager of your choosing and it won’t work either. There’s a true rot at united going back to 2013, (arguably before this that Ferguson kept a band aid on) but since 2013 it, from the outside, looks like absolute chaos with a different tact each week.
 
I'm no fan of Woodward but fail to see how you can put this all on him when he's overseen the type of investment in the squad that Fergie could only dream off in the years following the Glazer takeover. Woodward's biggest failing seems to be hiring bad managers. That's the real issue here. Otherwise he's doing a pretty good job of running the club. Can you imagine where we would be right now if he'd hired Klopp or Pep to replace Fergie and they'd been given £500m to invest in the club?

True but would you not agree hiring the right manager is such a pivotal part of his job. He’s made three bad decisions on the trot and let’s these decisions fester for ages before realising. He’s out of his depth.
 
True but would you not agree hiring the right manager is such a pivotal part of his job. He’s made three bad decisions on the trot and let’s these decisions fester for ages before realising. He’s out of his depth.

Yeah, I would agree. Once is forgivable, twice is careless but getting it wrong three times is a fecking disaster.

I’m really only sticking up for the chinless gimp to counter the narrative that Mourinho couldn’t be getting more out of this team with the funds made available to him so far. If Pocchetino could hear this argument being made he’d piss himself laughing.
 
It's the club spending it on marketable players not for the footballing ability, it's the club undermining managers and giving players too much power, it's the club backing a manager financially up to a point of top 4 and then it receding quickly, it's the club turning Old Trafford into a shithole, it's the club more interested in sponsors than success on the pitch, it's the richest club in the world who will always spend less than City, Chelsea etc, it's an accountant making decisions on keeping/buying/selling players.

Mourinho getting us to 2nd was above our station in my opinion, we spent the 2nd most the summer previous which gave us some ground for finishing there but we were rightly nowhere near 1st. And then we pulled the plug and allowed Liverpool and Chelsea to overtake us again. Now morale is so low and the players know they can get the manager sacked, it would be a miracle if Spurs and Arsenal don't overtake us.

Both your assertions are wrong. Ed has done a terrible job, but not in the way you describe. If anything, the chief problem with Ed is giving managers too much power, not the players.

The myth that Ed dictates who is to be bought can be put to rest. Take a look at the signings:

Moyes - Mata and Fellaini. Definitely Fellaini was a Moyes buy. Mata was probably so as well, as there is no evidence to indicate Moyes didn't want him. Woodward didn't get Fabregas etc because they weren't interested and he himself was a rookie then at negotiating deals.

LvG - Blind was an LvG signing. Shaw and Herrera were scouted by the club, but LvG reserved the right to green light their signings (he vetoed Kroos). Di Maria was an LvG signing too -- he became available and Ed probably recommended him to LvG, who said yes (even name-dropped ADM in the press as a player he would like), Rojo was an LvG signing, based on his WC performances. So were Darmian, Depay, Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin. The only signing who may have been Ed's personal galactico was Falcao, IMO. But one out of many does not mean Ed is imposing on the manager.

LvG moaned that he didn't get the players he wanted. Well, they were Muller, Ramos and Neymar, how the feck was anyone going to get them for him?

Mourinho - Mkhi, Bailly, Zlatan and Pogba were all Jose signings. Remember Jose saying wanting Pogba was like wanting the Eiffel Tower when he was at Chelsea. Lindelof, Lukaku, Matic, Dalot, Fred, Alexis -- these were all Jose signings too. It was after Alexis flopping that Ed got cold feet and vetoed the signings of Willian etc.

So in conclusion, Ed does not dictate managers in terms of buying players. He also does not promote undermining of managers by players -- as seen when ADM was sold immediately when LvG wanted it. Regarding the name-dropping of Varane, that was an example of the type of young defender target Ed wanted, as he felt Toby etc were too old or too inconsistent.

The only time he has interfered in a manager's decision is when he decided to keep Martial against Jose's wishes -- which was the result of seeing Jose chase old players and watching Alexis flop. And that decision may not be so bad after all.

But that doesn't mean Ed is a good CEO. He's done a terrible job as follows:

1) Blindly following the whims of manager with no transfer structure.
2) Vetoing Jose's targets without having said structure in place to recommend alternatives to the manager. It is criminal to not spend anything because you feel the manager's targets are bad -- atleast fecking recommend alternatives.
3) Favoring a slow "churn of players" -- in his own words -- when the squad still has several average/mediocre players.
4) Too slow to make any decision -- took ages to sack LvG and is going to do something similar with Jose, thus wasting away the season.
5) Not spending any money in the summer -- so, so atrocious that I had to mention it twice.
 
Yeah, I would agree. Once is forgivable, twice is careless but getting it wrong three times is a fecking disaster.

I’m really only sticking up for the chinless gimp to counter the narrative that Mourinho couldn’t be getting more out of this team with the funds made available to him so far. If Pocchetino could hear this argument being made he’d piss himself laughing.

I suppose I don't totally blame him for Moyes. It appears pretty clear that Ferguson was a big advocate for Moyes getting the job (although I'm not sure it was his first choice). I suppose one could say that in his position Woodward had the power to ignore the advice and look at the bigger picture sensibly, but I can kind of understand why he would have listened to the big man - his voice was obviously huge at that time. Still, his next booking is going to be fecking enormous regardless.
 
Yeah, I would agree. Once is forgivable, twice is careless but getting it wrong three times is a fecking disaster.

I’m really only sticking up for the chinless gimp to counter the narrative that Mourinho couldn’t be getting more out of this team with the funds made available to him so far. If Pocchetino could hear this argument being made he’d piss himself laughing.

Mentioning Pocchetino twice is ridiculous though, instead naming someone like Conte would make it much a more valid argument.

After all Pochettino might've been on a tight budget, but he was also the guy who got Vincent Janssen for 22 million euro, which was a move that made Liverpool's signing of Ryan Babel back in the day look like sensible business.

Unique talents like Harry Kane and Eriksen were already at the club, other good players like Vertonghen and Walker were there. He's been in charge at Spurs since 2014 and compared to United he's had more talented players in defense, a better striker, and loads of really good midfield options. Yet other than one or two 'manager of the month' awards there's nothing to show for it, which tells you all you need to know about the guy in my opinion.

I think he's a fine coach by the way, just incredibly overrated. Levi is a mastermind compared to Woodward by the way, that's for sure.
 
Mentioning Pocchetino twice is ridiculous though, instead naming someone like Conte would make it much a more valid argument.

After all Pochettino might've been on a tight budget, but he was also the guy who got Vincent Janssen for 22 million euro, which was a move that made Liverpool's signing of Ryan Babel back in the day look like sensible business.

Unique talents like Harry Kane and Eriksen were already at the club, other good players like Vertonghen and Walker were there. He's been in charge at Spurs since 2014 and compared to United he's had more talented players in defense, a better striker, and loads of really good midfield options. Yet other than one or two 'manager of the month' awards there's nothing to show for it, which tells you all you need to know about the guy in my opinion.

I think he's a fine coach by the way, just incredibly overrated. Levi is a mastermind compared to Woodward by the way, that's for sure.

I mention as an example of someone at the opposite extreme, in terms of funding made available for players. And it's getting to a point where I can't even be sure that we don't have "unique talents" at the club who are being mismanaged to the extent that they look far lesser players than they actually are. Not when we're seeing the likes of Depay and Zaha leave the club and go from strength to strength. Yes, I know Mourinho had nothing to do with Zaha but it's all part of this trend of everyone who's joined the club since Fergie left seeming to stall/regress.
 
I mention as an example of someone at the opposite extreme, in terms of funding made available for players. And it's getting to a point where I can't even be sure that we don't have "unique talents" at the club who are being mismanaged to the extent that they look far lesser players than they actually are. Not when we're seeing the likes of Depay and Zaha leave the club and go from strength to strength. Yes, I know Mourinho had nothing to do with Zaha but it's all part of this trend of everyone who's joined the club since Fergie left seeming to stall/regress.

Yep, it's a clusterfeck for sure. And I agree that Mourinho should be doing better and Woodward isn't the only one to blame in this, or the one who should be singled out, although he is an ingredient in this great recipe for distaster.
 
I'll just leave this here

The much referred to Woodward quote
"Playing performance doesn't really have a meaningful impact on what we can do on the commercial side of the business."

Seems to be at odds with:
While broadcasting revenue was £204.1m, up 10.1% on the prior year primarily due to “finishing runners up compared to sixth” the previous season, overall commercial revenue rose only £0.6m to £276.1m.

That Guardian piece states that our debt is at £487, down from £525 that originated from the Glazer takeover.

Some more interesting quotes from Woodward:

“We are the biggest sports team in the world. That requires continued investment. Our aim is to win trophies, it is one of the reasons we hired José Mourinho.

Everyone at the club is working tirelessly to add to Manchester United’s 66 and José’s 25 trophies. That is what our passionate fans and our history demands.
 
I mention as an example of someone at the opposite extreme, in terms of funding made available for players. And it's getting to a point where I can't even be sure that we don't have "unique talents" at the club who are being mismanaged to the extent that they look far lesser players than they actually are. Not when we're seeing the likes of Depay and Zaha leave the club and go from strength to strength. Yes, I know Mourinho had nothing to do with Zaha but it's all part of this trend of everyone who's joined the club since Fergie left seeming to stall/regress.

This is especially frustrating - we seem to keep getting the right players playing under the wrong managers. When I look at our attacking options there's no reason why they shouldn't be scoring a shedload of goals. The likes of Martial, Rashford, Sanchez, Lukaku, Pogba, Fred and Lingard could be pretty potent under the right manager. But they're more likely to be sold and flourishing under someone else at this rate. Then Jose will be gone and we'll probably get someone who genuinely would utilise them in the right way but is at the mercy of the market to build an attack from scratch.

Suppose you could file all of that under 'no forward planning'.
 
Anyone have any recent news on this??

Yeah. Woodward is our Director of Football and he is in no rush to find another DoF, who can replace his own duties in that role.
Keep in mind that the DoF story started when we got some bad results and in particular when it was made clear that Woodward did not buy the players which Jose wanted. So it was basically borne to shut the naysayers.
Only time will tell, if Woodward is willing to hire an actual DoF, but I am not holding my breath.
 
We need a director of football. What the feck is a technical director?. Just a glorified scout.
 
We need a director of football. What the feck is a technical director?. Just a glorified scout.

It's the exact same thing. Just an example, the man that is in charge of the football side of the FFF has for title DTN, it's national technical director. The same job has different name depending on the organization sporting director, director of football or technical director.
 
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Anyone who thinks new centre-backs wouldn't help to transform this team going forward, read this (if you haven't already)....

https://www.skysports.com/football/...-transfers-does-no-new-defender-mean-no-title

This is exactly what many have been saying since the summer. Yes, our defence was good last season but that was largely due to playing a deep midfield and having the world's best keeper. The Glazers not investing in Man United has been our downfall, and not Mourinho.
 
We won't hire anyone. These briefs are just used whenever we go on a bad run so that Ed convinces everyone he's working. They die immediately when we win some games.
 
Haven't we stepped up our search enough? Will we actually appoint a DoF ever?
Searching and choosing, two different things but watch this space my friend. Watch this space while watching others having a DoF.

We'll be finding new habitable planets in space but no such thing as DoF.
 
Without fail, each time things looks bad we get the news of the impending appointment of a DOF/Technical director. :lol:

It’s like clockwork :lol: I actually didn’t notice this until someone pointed it out very recently, but literally every time we lose a match there’s a story the next day about a DOF :lol:
 
I predict we're about to 'step up' our pursuit of one after the next international break, then in December and about 5 times in January when we sign nobody.
 
I don’t think one guy is going to be enough for a club of Utds size. Bayern, Barca, Juve and Real all have a posse of guys to run it all while the first team head coach does his thing.

I think if it’s going to be just one guy, then he’s got to be one talented god tier individual.
 
It's the exact same thing. Just an example, the man that is in charge of the football side of the FFF has for title DTN, it's national technical director. The same job has different name depending sporting director, director of football or technical director.
Thanks. I'm tired of hearing we are looking for one. Get him in asap asap ffs!
 
I don’t think one guy is going to be enough for a club of Utds size. Bayern, Barca, Juve and Real all have a posse of guys to run it all while the first team head coach does his thing.

I think if it’s going to be just one guy, then he’s got to be one talented god tier individual.
It has its disadvantages. I believe Hoeness, Rummenigge and the DoF all have different roles. Bayers are also prone to looking like a bit of a circus as well.
 
It's the exact same thing. Just an example, the man that is in charge of the football side of the FFF has for title DTN, it's national technical director. The same job has different name depending on the organization sporting director, director of football or technical director.

Name of the position doesn't tell us a whole lot. That they're going after Mitchell, who's historically been focused on recruiting and worked under folks like Les Reed at Southampton and Rangnick at Leipzig has me thinking they're looking at a more limited set of responsibilities for this role. That would be much less attractive to the heavy hitters like Monchi, Berta, Paratici, etc.
 
I wonder if this circus continues, at what point will match going fans step in. We simply cannot continue like this.
 
The thing that Ed needs to look at is how constant negativity can affect the image of the brand.

Negative tactics, negative performances, negative results, negative news items, negative media coverage all go to dent the image of the Manchester United brand.

There surely has to be a point where they need to refresh the image of the club and remove the toxicity surrounding it.
 
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