Yet in that market where everybody is over priced no one was willing to meet his asking price.
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Maybe because they have secured their defense previously then and we're the only who aren't ?
City splashed 300m on defenders and Liverpool had already spent 75m on VVD and 67m on Alisson in GK in same summer. Chelsea also spent 75m on Kepa in the summer so won't splash another 75m on another player.
Liverpool blew their budget on more important areas and have Gomez coming through, Arsenal is a ridiculous suggestion for about 50 reasons, Chelsea already have defenders of Alderweireld's profile.
You're coming at this from the seller's point of view; Woodward is the buyer, so strength of NEED is important. None of the clubs you suggest NEEDED Alderweireld like we did.
Chelsea conceded 10 more goals than us last season.
That's dumb argument. DOF works for his employer/club. Why would he buy thing the club doesn't need? Liverpool exhausted their fund for GK, and midfield enforcement. Arsenal was pretty on point regarding the budget briefing (!!!). Kolscielny hasn't been great for a while but he is at that level in good form. Chelsea had good depth in CB department and someone like David Luis can match Toby level like 2 seasons ago. The point is not about having 2-3 players on same level to not to need Toby. It's about having nobody like that, and at least half of the options made of crocks.
With David Luis missed most of the season. A hole in midfield selling Matic while replacing badly. They addressed the midfield issue with Jorginho while David Luis return means they can make do it with and giving Rudiger & Christensen another go.
In comparison, Jones Rojo Bailly problem is known. Smalling weakness shouldn't be discusssed.
Last but not least DDG has been better for us than Courtois for Chelsea for a while now.
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With Cahill, Luiz, Rudiger, Christensen, even Azpilicueta can fill in. Man for man comfortably superior to ours (castaway Zouma starts for 7th place Everton!) and with two very experienced heads already in there. If they needed anything it would be a younger profile CB, hence the Rugani links.
Alright forget it. You are determined to blame Woodward for not signing Alderweireld even though we don't know any details of the negotiation process. We know none of the facts but why let that interfere with opinion.
You hate who you want with or without the facts to back it up.
Spending £70m+ on Toby when he’s in the last year of his contract would have been madness. Not to mention his injuries etc...
He was available for much less than that. You can literally half that.
If we signed Alderweireld and Willian/Perisic we'd be going for the league this season in my opinion.
Martial will barely feature this season.
i didn’t see it quoted anywhere that he was available for £35m, that wouldn’t have been unreasonable but not at £70m
Ed gave the detail with the briefing: not better than what we have and we have 100mil to spend on a CB.
Your love for Woodward is admirable, so agree there, that no point in circle argument.
He is not on his last year of contract. Do you think Tottenham would not trigger one year option?
There is something called negotiation. Rumor came out our negotiate team didn't push for serious negotiation. What would you expect if you even try?
Never saw £70m quoted. The standard fare was £40m which as far as I know from the spurs hierarchy was enough to get the deal done.
Apparently it came down even more in the final days.
They wanted to sell so they could buy. They ended up doing neither of course.
He is in the last year of his contract, like Martial is. But that’s semantics. He certainty wasn’t available for £35m. More than likely they were asking for £65-75m as they saw VVD as the benchmark.
Problem is that all of this is based on rumour, and you can choose which rumour you want to believe in order to support pre-conceived beliefs.
I have no real opinion on Woodward one way or the other because I don't know what is going on behind closed doors and don't believe everything that I read in the papers or see on SSN.
Is he doing a good job or a bad job? I don't know all that I do know is the players that he has signed not what has happened with the ones he hasn't or even what players we have been in for.
How do you know all of this?
I don't think Maguire and Alderweireld have absolutely looked immense recently.
Probably better than some of our defenders yes, but not the massive gamechangers many believed.
Probably better than some of our defenders yes, but not the massive gamechangers many believed.
Already discussed about negotiation, no alternative suggestions by Woodward, bite the bullet and "make" the price right via the team achieving end goal, swiftly restructure and change manager...
The briefing is very concrete which stated something along the line the players Mourinho wished for are not better than the ones we already have,
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I’m far from a fan of Woodward, but this “me against him” thing Mourinho has propogated is downright pathetic. Neither one has done their job well enough and both deserve to be replaced.
The fact that fans are falling over themselves to take Mourinho’s side is baffling. I saw one fairly well-followed match going fan tweet today that there’s never been a United manager who united the fans as much as Mourinho has done.
The fact that fans are falling over themselves to take Mourinho’s side is baffling. I saw one fairly well-followed match going fan tweet today that there’s never been a United manager who united the fans as much as Mourinho has done.
If you don't have opinion on Woodward then why you're here in this thread? People may have different opinions but they have one to discuss on topic.
They make argument/argument and read other people point. Ignoring, going in circle, turning a blind sight (re:briefing point) yet making rumor with all kind of contradictory (re Toby fee) into a ground of argument... is all but shit stirring stating you have no real opinion.
What Woodward did, IMO and many agree is bad. Not that he never got thing done, it's the fact he is reactive, have no plan yet being in the key position to oversee the club operation, even football performance (not only on the pitch, but also recruitement managers, DoF, players). We are not talking about one transfer or one position needed to strengthen(CB), one target (Toby), but the whole time Woodward has been in this position post SAF. Why Jones is still here? Why appoint Mourinho, talking about sticking to manager model renew Mourinho contract and then going against manager model by vetoing the trader wishes and briefing? The briefing talk about long term vision, yet Mourinho was appointed and his contract renewal was short term. Why all this contradictory and it's from the same camp!
I am repeating the same point like 2 times now with you, so I hope this is that last.
You should read the thread more carefully.I’m far from a fan of Woodward, but this “me against him” thing Mourinho has propogated is downright pathetic. Neither one has done their job well enough and both deserve to be replaced.
The fact that fans are falling over themselves to take Mourinho’s side is baffling. I saw one fairly well-followed match going fan tweet today that there’s never been a United manager who united the fans as much as Mourinho has done.
Moire the case, people accept Mourinho was a failure (indifferent if he walks out now) and now looking at the root cause of the problem. Baffling that still many people can't see a simple point: who appointed Mourinho and renewed his contract not long ago. Who said they would stick to manager model yet pull the drug on that policy inventing a board out of thin air and talking about longer term vision...
Not all Woodward criticism has to do with Jose in particular. Though the quotes from earlier were disappointing because it looked like the relationship had been mended and then he went taking shots, probably power drunk off of cheers at fulltime. The circus continuesI’m far from a fan of Woodward, but this “me against him” thing Mourinho has propogated is downright pathetic. Neither one has done their job well enough and both deserve to be replaced.
The fact that fans are falling over themselves to take Mourinho’s side is baffling. I saw one fairly well-followed match going fan tweet today that there’s never been a United manager who united the fans as much as Mourinho has done.
Wasn't there today.
Think the majority of the match going fans think the same.
I differ from the majority in that I think Jose should go because I can't see us winning the title or the European Cup under him. I think the whole atmosphere around him with the board is toxic.
But I agree that the Glazers and Woodward are the real issue and I'm glad that Woodward is feeling the heat. It's about time he was held accountable for how awful he's been.
That's my issue with claims about Woodward's job. No one really knows what Woodward does/doesn't do. He's just a face and a name people use to represent every decision maker at the club that isn't the manager. It's the same as when people moan about "the board".
I find the whole Woodward out thing pointless because while he is making the Glazers money he's going nowhere. I also find the whole plane idea cringe worthy and the supposed banner about his wife aberrant if it existed.
The whole reason for this cringe worthy and maybe aberrant behaviour are media stories that have never been substantiated by either Jose or Woodward but is taken as fact.
If the whole thing is lack of direction in the signing of Jose then yes there is some evidence of that. The idea that we need a DoF is a sound one but Ed is going no where.
Anyway I've had enough good night.
You have a weird way to look at thing. I meant the money they make is based on our history as football club and the relation between fans and sponsors with the club as the lynchpin. When the club stop making money then the club is in deep shite in a sense that we can't invest to get back to the top. At that point, it's then pointless to blame anyone as there would be mountain of work to do.
So it's not pointless now to look at issue and fix it. Cringe worthy or not, at least it's something being done. Much better than being sheepish. I and many have come around to the point we wouldn't bat an eyelid if Mourinho resign tomorrow, doesn't mean a DOF coming in with new head coach would bring optimization when the issue at the key position who hold the club money still has final say on everything.
Woodward has hand in appointing LVG, Mourinho (renewed his contract), what makes you believe he would pick the right DOF, the new head coach? What make you thing he wouldn't change his mind few months on about the new appointments?
Good night.
Here's what I wonder: If Woodward goes, who do we have at the club who would appoint someone better?
Giving SAF David Gill actual executive power to help recruiting the new management team and build a board with football man. People may jump and cited Moyes. Let's distinguish the difference between Moyes and what I am suggesting when we're at it.
Moyes first of all is a mistake not doubt. The other side of problem is there is no help when it becomes clear with Woodward also doesn't know. SAF couldn't get involved to make further change. SAF's is not best at making a pre planned. His best lies with his ability to adapt and make use of situation to change thing around.
With executive power, SAF would be accounted for his suggestion. As a winner he wouldn't take defeat easy and actively look to help improve thing. David Gill was a team member. He has financial understanding so not to unstable the transition. Woodward is not fired but is expected to be demoted so he doesn't overstep the football side with ill effect. So the next step is getting more younger football men in.
Woodward at the moment is having the club going sideway and backward since he likes to get his point publicly yet very inconsistent with the way he carries out his plan. He has had enough chances and had proven he couldn't put his work where his word is. Having a plan in place even though it takes time until result returns is a big improvement, and all that's being asked for the revamp we as fans need. In short direction to believe and be united for.
Not long back from the match and I’ve not read anything that’s been posted on this thread since yesterday but who ever paid for that stupid banner that was flown over Turf Moor today are an embarrassment to our club!
I’m far from a fan of Woodward, but this “me against him” thing Mourinho has propogated is downright pathetic. Neither one has done their job well enough and both deserve to be replaced.
The fact that fans are falling over themselves to take Mourinho’s side is baffling. I saw one fairly well-followed match going fan tweet today that there’s never been a United manager who united the fans as much as Mourinho has done.
I think the chronology is he's trying to leverage the board to back him in the market, they don't, the media start to turn against him, he comes out with the head coach line, the media tries to destroy him whilst Woodward briefs the press on his personal targets etc. This is all down to the incompetency/lack of ambition of the board. The board could have found alternatives more suitable to a long-term vision, but hey, there is no long-term vision. And in one of the recent briefs it's said that Jose wasn't brought here to finish 2nd or win the Europa League, so either the board is unrealistic with their expectations of the current squad or they pretend to have ambitions they don't.
More and more fans have caught on and seen there is a bigger problem, Mourinho did not spell it out for them.
I think the "You Carrington medical now" Woodward is dead.
Are you talking about this, or are there some other quotes?
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...jose-mourinho-defends-ed-woodward-over-banner
Not everything is about football, those people should hang their heads in shame.
Picking a public fight with your boss, shouldnt have expected less really.
How is that picking a fight? If anything it's positive towards Ed Woodward, saying Manchester United whom Ed works for won 2-0 despite the pre-match negativity.
It's obvious sarcasm. Something he has used numerous times before.
How is it obvious? You’d have a better idea with actual video footage of the remarks.
Wait what it's sarcasm now? People need to get a grip.
Ed needs to feel the heat, he needs to know that he is not bigger than Utd, and doesn't know more about football than Jose. It's not the first time Ed has been criticised for a poor transfer window.
G Nev is right, if you give the manager a contract extension then back him in the transfer market, otherwise what's the point?
Everything Jose said in pre-season and during the last 4 games has been nothing but the truth. What he said would happen has happened. Ed needs stop briefing journos behind Jose backs about big money availability blah, blah, blah because none of actually happened did it? We never signed Varane, we never spent £100m, so he talks bollocks.
G Nev is right, if you give the manager a contract extension then back him in the transfer market, otherwise what's the point?
Everything Jose said in pre-season and during the last 4 games has been nothing but the truth. What he said would happen has happened. Ed needs stop briefing journos behind Jose backs about big money availability blah, blah, blah because none of actually happened did it? We never signed Varane, we never spent £100m, so he talks bollocks.
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