Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)

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Ask yourself one question, would Louis Edwards, Martin Edwards, Michael Knighton, Peter Kenyon, or David Gill have sanctioned a deal for a near 30 year injury-prone central defender(who let's be honest is nowt special) who will be available for a 3rd of the price in 12 months time, or have agreed to pay circa £75m for Maguire when only a year previous the Manager(Saint friggin Jose) had turned his nose up at signing him when he was available for £17m(and you're reading comics if you think that wasn't the case) ?

Ed Woodward is probably the only person at the club that is doing his job to the best of his ability at the minute, day in, day out, but yet he gets grief, you just couldn't make it up.....
 
Anything for the anti-Mourinho brigade, they'll even kiss Ed and the Glazer's arses if it means they get to moan about our manager. Learn how to support your club, please.
 
Ask yourself one question, would Louis Edwards, Martin Edwards, Michael Knighton, Peter Kenyon, or David Gill have sanctioned a deal for a near 30 year injury-prone central defender(who let's be honest is nowt special) who will be available for a 3rd of the price in 12 months time, or have agreed to pay circa £75m for Maguire when only a year previous the Manager(Saint friggin Jose) had turned his nose up at signing him when he was available for £17m(and you're reading comics if you think that wasn't the case) ?

Ed Woodward is probably the only person at the club that is doing his job to the best of his ability at the minute, day in, day out, but yet he gets grief, you just couldn't make it up.....
He has the targets for months. If he doesn't agree, then he had time to suggest alternative. Guess what, because he knows nothing about football, all he could think of was Varane who is not the market!

WAll our previous Chief Executives, they might not always work out well with the manager nor do better on recruiting ground, they know their place thus not briefing "I know better than the manager". If there was no briefing, this talk about our transfer window would have cooled down by now.
 
He has the targets for months. If he doesn't agree, then he had time to suggest alternative. Guess what, because he knows nothing about football, all he could think of was Varane who is not the market!

WAll our previous Chief Executives, they might not always work out well with the manager nor do better on recruiting ground, they know their place thus not briefing "I know better than the manager". If there was no briefing, this talk about our transfer window would have cooled down by now.

No he doesn't, and how do you know he didn't(he didn't)offer alternatives, and Jose just turned his nose up at them ? You don't.

You are joking, until he gets what he wants, or walks, Jose will not let it drop
 
This flying the plane was a stupid idea at this stage of the season. He has provided the money when required and he is right to question the value of a player that is being bought since Jose has already bought two CBs and it looks like what is being proposed may not be such a big upgrade on what we have.
 
This flying the plane was a stupid idea at this stage of the season. He has provided the money when required and he is right to question the value of a player that is being bought since Jose has already bought two CBs and it looks like what is being proposed may not be such a big upgrade on what we have.

It's a stupid idea at any stage of the season, not a braincell amongst 'em
 
Picking a public fight with your boss, shouldnt have expected less really.

Nope, he was merely backing Ed in public by implying Ed cares about the result as much as we do.

I think both Jose and Ed as well as some of the players are at fault, but if this banner achieves some welcome ends - Ed understanding that what he's doing is not enough (either buy who the manager wants, or have a DoF to recommend alternative targets; don't just not buy anyone), Jose becoming happy with fans support to become determined to achieve the results we want, etc - then fine, I suppose.
 
No he doesn't, and how do you know he didn't(he didn't)offer alternatives, and Jose just turned his nose up at them ? You don't.

You are joking, until he gets what he wants, or walks, Jose will not let it drop
The briefing. It is as good as one can get from Woodward. The whole Varane and 100mil pretty much confirms his mentality of alternative. How do you know other wise?

Again the same question back at you how do you know re Mourinho.

:rolleyes:
 
Ask yourself one question, would Louis Edwards, Martin Edwards, Michael Knighton, Peter Kenyon, or David Gill have sanctioned a deal for a near 30 year injury-prone central defender(who let's be honest is nowt special) who will be available for a 3rd of the price in 12 months time, or have agreed to pay circa £75m for Maguire when only a year previous the Manager(Saint friggin Jose) had turned his nose up at signing him when he was available for £17m(and you're reading comics if you think that wasn't the case) ?

Ed Woodward is probably the only person at the club that is doing his job to the best of his ability at the minute, day in, day out, but yet he gets grief, you just couldn't make it up.....
I've only been alive for the SAF era but are you genuinely asking a question about whether or not a player, that both we could afford and SAF wanted badly, would be bought for him?
 
His briefing against the manager after the window ended is looking moronic day by day. By saying that we didn't even bid for the club's top CB target that is Toby, he has made the fans sympathize with Jose.
 
His briefing against the manager after the window ended is looking moronic day by day. By saying that we didn't even bid for the club's top CB target that is Toby, he has made the fans sympathize with Jose.

Why would he bid for Alderweireld if he is not better than what we have? Everyone knows Rojo is the superior player.
 
Anything for the anti-Mourinho brigade, they'll even kiss Ed and the Glazer's arses if it means they get to moan about our manager. Learn how to support your club, please.

Disliking Mourinho and disliking Woodward are not mutually exclusive.

I don't think either of them is good enough to get United back on top. However, as Woodward is a Glazer stooge and is driving their share prices higher and higher, I think we should all accept that he's going nowhere. His briefing that we're hiring a Director of Football is the best news we can hope for as far as Ed goes. Lets hope he follows through there and makes a good hire and trusts him. If not, I'm sure you'll see the real Top Reds start lighting fire to their Chevrolet's in protest.
 
Disliking Mourinho and disliking Woodward are not mutually exclusive.

I don't think either of them is good enough to get United back on top. However, as Woodward is a Glazer stooge and is driving their share prices higher and higher, I think we should all accept that he's going nowhere. His briefing that we're hiring a Director of Football is the best news we can hope for as far as Ed goes. Lets hope he follows through there and makes a good hire and trusts him. If not, I'm sure you'll see the real Top Reds start lighting fire to their Chevrolet's in protest.
You Really believe Ed is after a DOF?
 
The banner was so stupid - if anyone knows the guys from A voice from the Terrace, please could you connect me? I have a bunch of social service things that need funding - and they'd be the perfect people to meet. Seem to have a lot of money to throw away on stupid stuff.
 
I've only been alive for the SAF era but are you genuinely asking a question about whether or not a player, that both we could afford and SAF wanted badly, would be bought for him?

Point missed spectacularly. Of course we could afford him, that’s not the point. We operate as a business, this is not a hobby like City - signings and spend on those signings need to be justified.
 
I was just thinking about the final season with the VG era. He could have been sacked after xmas, but was kept on till the end and even after winning the FA cup was sacked. Then Mourinho was in straight away, saying he had been monitoring the team. We seemed to have an easy time getting in all our transfers that summer. Could it be deja vu? Maybe Woodward has already an agreement in place with someone that at the end of the season will come in, and thats why hes not backing Mourinho now. This may only have happened say mid july, after the 3 transfers that we got in. Just a thought, but stranger things have happened.
 
Nope, he was merely backing Ed in public by implying Ed cares about the result as much as we do.

I think both Jose and Ed as well as some of the players are at fault, but if this banner achieves some welcome ends - Ed understanding that what he's doing is not enough (either buy who the manager wants, or have a DoF to recommend alternative targets; don't just not buy anyone), Jose becoming happy with fans support to become determined to achieve the results we want, etc - then fine, I suppose.


Its interest how differently people interpret stuff. I took it the same way as you.more or less.....If United win,so does Ed Woodward. "He's one of us" and so on.
 
Its interest how differently people interpret stuff. I took it the same way as you.more or less.....If United win,so does Ed Woodward. "He's one of us" and so on.

Yeah, that was the obvious interpretation. I mean, there may be some disagreement but Mourinho is not going to publicly slate Woodward with a sarcastic comment that «he won» today. Use your brain, folks!
 
His briefing against the manager after the window ended is looking moronic day by day. By saying that we didn't even bid for the club's top CB target that is Toby, he has made the fans sympathize with Jose.

We don't know if Levy even wanted to sell to us, or what the price was. If it was something like 60m or wanting a player in return, I can see why we did not bid. I certainly don't sympathize with him, we have 5 CBs, not like we are short on numbers. I think we will get him in Jan, or next summer. The whole thing was handled badly by both of them.
 
We don't know if Levy even wanted to sell to us, or what the price was. If it was something like 60m or wanting a player in return, I can see why we did not bid. I certainly don't sympathize with him, we have 5 CBs, not like we are short on numbers. I think we will get him in Jan, or next summer. The whole thing was handled badly by both of them.

I think we might still go for Toby in January. That's Levy's last chance to sell before losing him for his contractually obligated payment. A 35M bid would get the job done.

Its also pretty hard for Spurs to sell their best CB when they couldn't get any business done in the summer so if they can get someone in during January, they'll sell. Its entirely debatable ofcourse if we should be paying for Alderweireld or break the bank for De Ligt. One might ask why not both if we can find a taker for Jones, Rojo and Lindelöf. I think Ed would pay whatever it takes for De Ligt because he's in the age range United like to buy.
 
I think we might still go for Toby in January. That's Levy's last chance to sell before losing him for his contractually obligated payment. A 35M bid would get the job done.

Its also pretty hard for Spurs to sell their best CB when they couldn't get any business done in the summer so if they can get someone in during January, they'll sell. Its entirely debatable ofcourse if we should be paying for Alderweireld or break the bank for De Ligt. One might ask why not both if we can find a taker for Jones, Rojo and Lindelöf. I think Ed would pay whatever it takes for De Ligt because he's in the age range United like to buy.

It would need to be more than £35m in January.

Spurs would rather keep him for another 6 months and sell to a team outside the PL, than sell him to us for the sake of £10m. That’s not an attractive offer to them.

If we get him, it will be next summer, but a year (11 months) can be a long time in football.
 
It would need to be more than £35m in January.

Spurs would rather keep him for another 6 months and sell to a team outside the PL, than sell him to us for the sake of £10m. That’s not an attractive offer to them.

If we get him, it will be next summer, but a year (11 months) can be a long time in football.

You underestimate what 10M means to Levy.
 
I think we might still go for Toby in January. That's Levy's last chance to sell before losing him for his contractually obligated payment. A 35M bid would get the job done.

Its also pretty hard for Spurs to sell their best CB when they couldn't get any business done in the summer so if they can get someone in during January, they'll sell. Its entirely debatable ofcourse if we should be paying for Alderweireld or break the bank for De Ligt. One might ask why not both if we can find a taker for Jones, Rojo and Lindelöf. I think Ed would pay whatever it takes for De Ligt because he's in the age range United like to buy.

I agree, we should be in for both, and get rid of some of the injury prone players. I was disappointed that Blind was sold before Rojo or Jones. He had a good partnership with Smalling, was rarely injured and was a solid defender and good on the ball. Probably more reliable than all our current options bar Smalling. Hopefully, we sign Alderwereild as well as another.
 
Unless we saw Mourinho's list, it'd be very hard to judge Woodward on this one.
I agree we need another CB but not Toby for 65m or Boateng or fecking Mina literally who. RW position though It was really weird we weren't seriously linked with anyone.

But he failed to get rid of Darmian and Rojo or Jones. Everyone and their dog can see they're League one players
 
His briefing against the manager after the window ended is looking moronic day by day. By saying that we didn't even bid for the club's top CB target that is Toby, he has made the fans sympathize with Jose.
I feel like Woodward is testing Mourinho.

He clearly feels (and rightly) that Mourinho didn't / hasn't got the best out of his players available, especially last year.

He seemed happy to discard players that are good enough (Shaw/Mkhi?/Martial) and replace them without really trying hard.

Now we've seen he CAN get the best out of Shaw, his attitude / demeanour seems much better recently, that'll be good for everybody.

I feel once Woodward feels he can trust Mourinho, he will give him plenty of money in January.
 
I feel like Woodward is testing Mourinho.

He clearly feels (and rightly) that Mourinho didn't / hasn't got the best out of his players available, especially last year.

He seemed happy to discard players that are good enough (Shaw/Mkhi?/Martial) and replace them without really trying hard.

Now we've seen he CAN get the best out of Shaw, his attitude / demeanour seems much better recently, that'll be good for everybody.

I feel once Woodward feels he can trust Mourinho, he will give him plenty of money in January.

Oh Ed Woodward is just soooooooooooo wonderful! Hopefully, Mourinho (the manager) will do well enough that we're allowed to buy the players we obviously need.

And hopefully there will be a whole bunch of world class players selling for deep deep discount, because otherwise I think another excuse will come up. Waiting for the DOF to arrive is my expected next excuse........
 
I see the banner as fans backing Mourinho as much as slating Woodward.

The media campaign has been a bit out of order by the Club (the whole "Jose's been a petulant child over the summer, wanting to get rid of Martial (future Balon D'or winner mate :wenger:) and replace him with 29-year-olds, but we're prepared to let it go and back him")

Every United fan I talk to says the same thing about Woodward (almost a cliche at this point) - "All he knows about is sponsorships and signing new instant noodle partners, blah blah etc."

This group with the banner are simply pointing to this prominent view amongst fans, saying that Woodward should not come out of all this unscathed.
 
I think Woodward knows the reason why the fans turned on him is because of Jose, and the way he complained before the season starts in public. Do you think that will have its impact between the two? I mean ED will be not backing Jose anymore? and if Jose failed this season he will be sacked!
 
Oh Ed Woodward is just soooooooooooo wonderful! Hopefully, Mourinho (the manager) will do well enough that we're allowed to buy the players we obviously need.

And hopefully there will be a whole bunch of world class players selling for deep deep discount, because otherwise I think another excuse will come up. Waiting for the DOF to arrive is my expected next excuse........
I'm not saying Woodward was correct in giving us little this summer, but honestly the targets in Mina / Boateng were very underwhelming.

I would have been happy with Maguire / Alderweireld, but £70m for a 29 year old defender who isn't always fit is risky. Maguire was also going to be very expensive.

We've got 5 CB already and he bought 2 over the last few years, perhaps he needs to just make them better?.

Smalling is more than good enough for 80% of the league matches, Bailly IMO needs work but he is the best potential of them all, he needs to work hard on fixing his bad points. Buying new players isn't always the answer.
 
I think it’s to show ed that supporters are with Jose on this one. The fact we didn’t even attempt to sign Toby is mind boggling unless they plan on making a bid in January. We don’t really know the ins and outs of the maguire saga from reading reports he wanted to move but Leicester refused to see. The Godin deal was never going to happen.
 
I think it’s to show ed that supporters are with Jose on this one. The fact we didn’t even attempt to sign Toby is mind boggling unless they plan on making a bid in January. We don’t really know the ins and outs of the maguire saga from reading reports he wanted to move but Leicester refused to see. The Godin deal was never going to happen.

So what’s your problem. You seemed to have solved all the issues with getting the CB already. To me Ed’s doing a great job and gets far too much slack. It could be worse we could be managed by Levy.
 
It went very well. According to the organiser Woodward and his staff were on the phone to police, the plane company etc trying to get it stopped. But to no avail.

Nobody could see Woodward there either yesterday.

The fans support for Mourinho went up a notch and he came over at the end and mixed with fans again thanking them.

It told the owners, Woodward, the media, the players and other onlookers that its our club and we know where the true problem lies.

It's not to say you can't discuss manager's tactics, style of play, should he pick player X or whatever, that's normal football talk and is healthy.

Woodward and The Glazers have proved to be a huge problem and hinderance to this clubs ability to be a force on the pitch and we will continue to have our voices heard on this matter.

There are more things planned for Watford.
 
Plane's in football are a bit silly really (I mean what have they ever achieved?)

But I am a fan of letting Ed know he's a moron... so thats something.
 
It went very well. According to the organiser Woodward and his staff were on the phone to police, the plane company etc trying to get it stopped. But to no avail.

Nobody could see Woodward there either yesterday.

The fans support for Mourinho went up a notch and he came over at the end and mixed with fans again thanking them.

It told the owners, Woodward, the media, the players and other onlookers that its our club and we know where the true problem lies.

It's not to say you can't discuss manager's tactics, style of play, should he pick player X or whatever, that's normal football talk and is healthy.

Woodward and The Glazers have proved to be a huge problem and hinderance to this clubs ability to be a force on the pitch and we will continue to have our voices heard on this matter.

There are more things planned for Watford.

The problem with many who are so intensely anti mourinho is they think that criticising the board somehow lets mourinho off the hook. I see no shrinking violets when it comes to criticism of mourinho and no easy ride from the press, so I’m not sure why a separate criticism bothers them so much.
 
...we have 5 CBs...

We do. Three of whom were at the club when Jose arrived. If he didn’t know enough about their qualities (and weaknesses) beforehand, he certainly would’ve assessed them properly after working with them for a full season.

So, to summarize:

Smalling and Jones (and Rojo): fully assessed, he knew precisely what sort of players they were last summer.

Bailly: ditto, I suppose – but part of the picture with him is obviously that he’s young, not the finished product, etc.

Lindelöf: another young CB, not the finished product, etc. And like Bailly clearly not brought in to play the part of an experienced defence leader.

We can also add every fullback option available to him both then and presently (with the exception of Dalot): All of them were at the club when he arrived.

Point: At the end of last summer’s window Jose declared himself pleased (enough) with the squad and ready to challenge. Which means that unless he was flat out lying (to what end I can’t say), he considered his defensive options adequate (and that would mean adequate for a title challenge, no less).

The defensive options that are now – apparently – so shabby that we have to sacrifice our attacking game in order to protect the defence from being fatally exposed, are not new acquisitions (yet to gel, etc.) – they are the very same players.

Now, the obvious question seems to be this: if our defenders are sub-par (individually, quality wise – that’s the only excuse here, if they’re simply not working as a unit, that’s on the manager who drills them) to the extent that we can’t expect the team to string a few decent attacking moves together (an exceptional situation to be in for a club with our resources), then why the hell didn’t Jose prioritize to add defenders to the squad at a larger scale, and much earlier? I mean, what was the plan? Field a shite defence (injury prone, inexperienced, unreliable, whathaveya) for two full seasons – and then, finally, bring in a top class, experienced defence leader this summer – one player, who’d then elevate the whole unit dramatically? Doesn’t make much sense.

And – again – if the defence is that woeful, we have to conclude that Jose either lied (bizarre if so) last summer or that he misjudged players he’d worked with extensively something monumental.

None of this means that Woodward should play DoF, however. If you trust the manager to get it right, you back him in the market as long as this is financially responsible. You don’t go “we’ll gladly splash 100m on Varane – but we won’t buy anyone on your list”. That’s a football decision, ultimately, not a purely financial one.
 
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