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Adam-Utd said:
I feel like Woodward is testing Mourinho.

He clearly feels (and rightly) that Mourinho didn't / hasn't got the best out of his players available, especially last year.

He seemed happy to discard players that are good enough (Shaw/Mkhi?/Martial) and replace them without really trying hard.

Now we've seen he CAN get the best out of Shaw, his attitude / demeanour seems much better recently, that'll be good for everybody.

I feel once Woodward feels he can trust Mourinho, he will give him plenty of money in January.
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I find this comment bizarre. Why would Ed Woodward, who both LVG and Moyes say didn't treat them well, feel he has the right to 'test' one of the greatest managers of his generation?

Why would Woodward, who has previously been accused of having poor business sense and not a great deal maker in summer transfer windows feel he knows who the best players are? And Jose, who has won leagues in England, Italy, and Spain, doesn't?

Shaw and Martial are pre-Mourinho signings. Shaw has been accused by other managers of not training hard enough, and being overweight. It's not a Jose thing. We should be pleased Jose has got him playing well. Martial has not delivered consistently, and isn't taking the opportunities given to him. Anyone who rates him is basing it on single games from over a season ago. You're not a great player until you play great consistently, and Martial doesn't.

Mourinho has won the Prem, the FA Cup, the League Cup, Serie A, Coppa Italia, La Liga, Copa Del Rey, Champions League, and Europa League. Do you seriously think he needs to earn 'trust'? Bizarre.
 
JK-27 said:
I find this comment bizarre. Why would Ed Woodward, who both LVG and Moyes say didn't treat them well, feel he has the right to 'test' one of the greatest managers of his generation?

Why would Woodward, who has previously been accused of having poor business sense and not a great deal maker in summer transfer windows feel he knows who the best players are? And Jose, who has won leagues in England, Italy, and Spain, doesn't?

Shaw and Martial are pre-Mourinho signings. Shaw has been accused by other managers of not training hard enough, and being overweight. It's not a Jose thing. We should be pleased Jose has got him playing well. Martial has not delivered consistently, and isn't taking the opportunities given to him. Anyone who rates him is basing it on single games from over a season ago. You're not a great player until you play great consistently, and Martial doesn't.

Mourinho has won the Prem, the FA Cup, the League Cup, Serie A, Coppa Italia, La Liga, Copa Del Rey, Champions League, and Europa League. Do you seriously think he needs to earn 'trust'? Bizarre.
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Because whether you like it or not he's the boss? He obviously felt Mourinho hasn't coached the team well, and from our performances that has been showing.

Funnily enough since then Mourinho seems to be working harder than ever, on the pitch and off it he's perked up. Let's hope it's the kick up the ass he's needed.
 
CA1 said:
It went very well. According to the organiser Woodward and his staff were on the phone to police, the plane company etc trying to get it stopped. But to no avail.

Nobody could see Woodward there either yesterday.

The fans support for Mourinho went up a notch and he came over at the end and mixed with fans again thanking them.

It told the owners, Woodward, the media, the players and other onlookers that its our club and we know where the true problem lies.

It's not to say you can't discuss manager's tactics, style of play, should he pick player X or whatever, that's normal football talk and is healthy.

Woodward and The Glazers have proved to be a huge problem and hinderance to this clubs ability to be a force on the pitch and we will continue to have our voices heard on this matter.

There are more things planned for Watford.
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Excellent. People can think it's silly if they want, I think it had a pretty good effect with the media narrative now taking on Woodward and his overall time at the club in this specific capacity. There is a more positive feel around the manager and the team and a focus on the board, which I think is way overdue. The only problem I had with the banner yesterday was that it interfered with that minute's silence.
 
I know we were terrible on the market this summer. But maybe we should give it a little longer before we truly can judge Woodward?

We bought Sanchez in winter (Must have cost a lot), there was mostly crappy players available at the same level of our current crop - But there was failure to at least sign Alderweireld / Maguire.

I don't mind that he gets some public pressure though. A foreign takeover of our club, should always be under pressure to perform. Based on our income, we should be spending more. But so much is going on behind the scenes, and he could still be doing a comeback and we can still spend big next window. He could still just have saved up money for a really big transfer or Alderweireld in winter.

Just saying that the signing of Sanchez is forgotten when people evaluate Ed. I think it's a bit easier to judge him, when we know how he will restructure our transfer-system.
 
Bastian said:
Excellent. People can think it's silly if they want, I think it had a pretty good effect with the media narrative now taking on Woodward and his overall time at the club in this specific capacity. There is a more positive feel around the manager and the team and a focus on the board, which I think is way overdue. The only problem I had with the banner yesterday was that it interfered with that minute's silence.
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I'd say that's less about people now moaning about Ed, and more about how José's took a more agressive approach to the last two games, which is something a lot of us José critics have been wanting for the longest.

I have no problem with Ed, and if José sticks with this more progressive tactical approach to games I'll be happy with José, too.
Adam-Utd said:
Because whether you like it or not he's the boss? He obviously felt Mourinho hasn't coached the team well, and from our performances that has been showing.

Funnily enough since then Mourinho seems to be working harder than ever, on the pitch and off it he's perked up. Let's hope it's the kick up the ass he's needed.
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Could be that, or it could be Carrick and McKenna's influence. Probably a mixture of both.

I like Ed, and him wanting José to get the best out of what he has before spending more will be more beneficial in the long run. We shouldn't rely on spunking money every summer, and now José knows he needs to get the best out what is a good squad. Going off the last two games, it's looking like it will help.

Hopefully José will now get us playing like a team, and it'll convince Ed to bring in the players José wants to fit our new progressive approach. Then we'll hopefully go from strength to strength.
 
Mourinho using the fans and they don't even realise it. Ed is going nowhere.
 
Yagami said:
I'd say that's less about people now moaning about Ed, and more about how José's took a more agressive approach to the last two games, which is something a lot of us José critics have been wanting for the longest.

I have no problem with Ed, and if José sticks with this more progressive tactical approach to games I'll be happy with José, too.
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You ever read any philosophy? You heard of Hegel? Hegel says, the truth is in the whole.

:D
 
JK-27 said:
I find this comment bizarre. Why would Ed Woodward, who both LVG and Moyes say didn't treat them well, feel he has the right to 'test' one of the greatest managers of his generation?

Why would Woodward, who has previously been accused of having poor business sense and not a great deal maker in summer transfer windows feel he knows who the best players are? And Jose, who has won leagues in England, Italy, and Spain, doesn't?

Shaw and Martial are pre-Mourinho signings. Shaw has been accused by other managers of not training hard enough, and being overweight. It's not a Jose thing. We should be pleased Jose has got him playing well. Martial has not delivered consistently, and isn't taking the opportunities given to him. Anyone who rates him is basing it on single games from over a season ago. You're not a great player until you play great consistently, and Martial doesn't.

Mourinho has won the Prem, the FA Cup, the League Cup, Serie A, Coppa Italia, La Liga, Copa Del Rey, Champions League, and Europa League. Do you seriously think he needs to earn 'trust'? Bizarre.
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He won all the big trophies a decade ago. How is that different to Wenger and LVG? Both great managers in the past but not now.

Each time you start a new job you have to earn trust and loyalty. Why should football managers get a free pass?
 
Yagami said:
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I like Ed, and him wanting José to get the best out of what he has before spending more will be more beneficial in the long run. We shouldn't rely on spunking money every summer, and now José knows he needs to get the best out what is a good squad. Going off the last two games, it's looking like it will help.

Hopefully José will now get us playing like a team, and it'll convince Ed to bring in the players José wants to fit our new progressive approach. Then we'll hopefully go from strength to strength.
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I think this is exactly it. Jose was acting like a spoilt brat IMO just demanding how we don't have good players bla bla, just trying to buy his way to victory.

Realistically though our squad is more than good enough, and our team last year operated at about 80% of what we could have done.

I wonder whether that Tottenham defeat could be the catalyst to better things, a bit like how Conte changed Chelsea after getting thumped by Arsenal.

It's a shame the international break has come right now, we could have done with that momentum.

Funny how our last season fell apart after Burnley away, now we might regain it again, found our mojo in the dressing room perhaps?
 
ti vu said:
The briefing. It is as good as one can get from Woodward. The whole Varane and 100mil pretty much confirms his mentality of alternative. How do you know other wise?

Again the same question back at you how do you know re Mourinho.

:rolleyes:
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This Varane briefing will go down in folklore, he was asked(off the record!) if money was available for a central-defender after the failure to sign who Jose supposedly wanted(and we've only got the press's word for who that was), he name dropped Varane(not bad for a guy who knows sod all about football, or maybe he just mentioned the first footballers name that came into his head and he hoped he was a central-defender), what is so wrong with that ?

It's not as though he held a impromptu press conference and said "i've gathered you all today to tell you that I, Ed Woodward of sound mind have undermined Mr Mourinho transfer decisions this Summer, and will do for the foreseeable future"
 
Bastian said:
Excellent. People can think it's silly if they want, I think it had a pretty good effect with the media narrative now taking on Woodward and his overall time at the club in this specific capacity. There is a more positive feel around the manager and the team and a focus on the board, which I think is way overdue. The only problem I had with the banner yesterday was that it interfered with that minute's silence.
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There is a positive feel, only because we won. Nothing to do with the banner, it had no effect.

That’s the way it always is, win and it’s positive, lose and it’s doom and gloom.
 
CA1 said:
It went very well. According to the organiser Woodward and his staff were on the phone to police, the plane company etc trying to get it stopped. But to no avail.

Nobody could see Woodward there either yesterday.

The fans support for Mourinho went up a notch and he came over at the end and mixed with fans again thanking them.

It told the owners, Woodward, the media, the players and other onlookers that its our club and we know where the true problem lies.

It's not to say you can't discuss manager's tactics, style of play, should he pick player X or whatever, that's normal football talk and is healthy.

Woodward and The Glazers have proved to be a huge problem and hinderance to this clubs ability to be a force on the pitch and we will continue to have our voices heard on this matter.

There are more things planned for Watford.
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You have completely miss understood Woodward. Look at Shaw for instance. Jose called him out, benched him and we saw a reaction. Woodward is doing the exact same thing with Jose. Hopefully Jose rises to the challenge.
 
Never knew they had hired a plane to send a message until i watched MOTD. What a bunch of twats.
 
endless_wheelies said:
I've only been alive for the SAF era but are you genuinely asking a question about whether or not a player, that both we could afford and SAF wanted badly, would be bought for him?
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There's no way SAF would've have wasted his(and the Boards) time asking them to potentially break a transfer record for a 29/30 year old(and a central-defender at that) because he'd already know the answer.
 
Class of 63 said:
There's no way SAF would've have wasted his(and the Boards) time asking them to potentially break a transfer record for a 29/30 year old(and a central-defender at that) because he'd already know the answer.
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The board would rightly back him, like with the RVP signing you mean?
 
CA1 said:
It went very well. According to the organiser Woodward and his staff were on the phone to police, the plane company etc trying to get it stopped. But to no avail.

Nobody could see Woodward there either yesterday.

The fans support for Mourinho went up a notch and he came over at the end and mixed with fans again thanking them.

It told the owners, Woodward, the media, the players and other onlookers that its our club and we know where the true problem lies.

It's not to say you can't discuss manager's tactics, style of play, should he pick player X or whatever, that's normal football talk and is healthy.

Woodward and The Glazers have proved to be a huge problem and hinderance to this clubs ability to be a force on the pitch and we will continue to have our voices heard on this matter.

There are more things planned for Watford.
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Sounds like you contributed towards that plane. I hope you had nothing to do with that despicable shit about his wife.
If you think you're going to achieve anything your wrong. You're also letting the manager get away with taking no responsibility.

So Woodward held on to the money and demands that Mourinho earns his £15M a year salary; Jose sees his ass on the line, and now it seems the players can play attacking football. What's he been doing all this time. Why don't you ask questions of the manager as well?

Woodward supposedly knows nothing about football, yet Jose we've been seeing shit on the pitch. Whose responsibility is that in your opinion? Who is responsible for us looking shit when lesser teams than us can get themselves organised? You don't need hundreds of millions to do the basic requirements of the job of a coach, or you shouldn't be there in the first place.
 
Jazz said:
Sounds like you contributed towards that plane. I hope you had nothing to do with that despicable shit about his wife.
If you think you're going to achieve anything your wrong. You're also letting the manager get away with taking no responsibility.

So Woodward held on to the money and demands that Mourinho earns his £15M a year salary; Jose sees his ass on the line, and now it seems the players can play attacking football. What's he been doing all this time. Why don't you ask questions of the manager as well?

Woodward supposedly knows nothing about football, yet Jose we've been seeing shit on the pitch. Whose responsibility is that in your opinion? Who is responsible for us looking shit when lesser teams than us can get themselves organised? You don't need hundreds of millions to do the basic requirements of the job of a coach, or you shouldn't be there in the first place.
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This has been on my thoughts. It's all well to criticize Woodward as he does deserve some of the blame (without taking cheap shots at his family ofc) but the people who organized the plane actually absolved Jose of all responsibility in their statement. So Woodward alone is the reason for the shite on the pitch?

Ironically, the briefings indicated that Woodward wanted to keep Shaw as he felt the latter was young and had potential while Jose preferred to sell him to raise money. Who's right now?

Jose has bought, I think, 10 players. If he can only have 4 of those signings on the pitch for every game and one of those (Pogba) is disinterested as feck, I am not sure he is entirely blameless. Pretty sure he is thrilled to get off the hook anyway.
 
Kapardin said:
This has been on my thoughts. It's all well to criticize Woodward as he does deserve some of the blame (without taking cheap shots at his family ofc) but the people who organized the plane actually absolved Jose of all responsibility in their statement. So Woodward alone is the reason for the shite on the pitch?

Ironically, the briefings indicated that Woodward wanted to keep Shaw as he felt the latter was young and had potential while Jose preferred to sell him to raise money. Who's right now?

Jose has bought, I think, 10 players. If he can only have 4 of those signings on the pitch for every game and one of those (Pogba) is disinterested as feck, I am not sure he is entirely blameless. Pretty sure he is thrilled to get off the hook anyway.
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Thank you.

They don't realise they might be doing more harm than good. I would much prefer a banner saying Ed get a bloody DOF - STAT! That's constructive and we need it.

Ed is using his common sense (at least a bit), as he's (and everyone else) has seen the evidence that Jose is no good with young talents. He is absolutely right to be sceptical when Jose wants to bin young talents for his overpaid henchmen. Make no mistake, one reason he wanted Willian is because they get along!

What I don't want, is for Ed to give in to Jose in anyway. Big big mistake. He should stand his ground regardless of the protests. What he needs to concern himself with is getting a DOF.

This sort of thing pains me because you know Jose doesn't give a shit about our club. It's all about him and his reputation. That some of our fans are allowing him to get away with this makes my blood boil. At the end of the day, it will be our club that suffers whilst Jose goes off spinning shit about how it's all United's fault, whilst pocketing a huge pay out.

I would get rid of him and his politics now before things get more out of hand and give McKenna the bloody job until the end of the season.

No one says Ed is blameless. He should by now realise we need a sense of direction and people on the board who know their football. However, this is not the way to go about doing things, and the manager should be held accountable and not pitted against the board aided by some fans.
 
Now what the weekend events surrounding the club brought home to me with a vengeance is that, bye enlarge, there is a huge difference in the perception of fans who attend matches and those who only watch it on the box as to where the current problems lie. Most who turn up week in week out (and pay a small fortune for doing so) are firmly behind Jose. Its the same with the perception as to how players are performing. Totally different when you are actually on the terraces to what folks reckon seeing it from a distance. On the small screen you never pick up the nuances as to how player x or player y is acting/behaving. All of course IMHO and then again what the heck do I know, surrounded as I am with greater experts than myself.
 
Regalia said:
Anything for the anti-Mourinho brigade, they'll even kiss Ed and the Glazer's arses if it means they get to moan about our manager. Learn how to support your club, please.
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Herein lies part of the problem, the cult of Mourinho is so strong that apparently you don't support the club if you don't want Mourinho as manager anymore, both of them aren't good for this club, that is my personal opinion, and my opinion comes from having the club I supports best interests at heart, whether people agree or disagree with my opinion is irrelevant, it doesn't make me any less of a supporter of Manchester United than somebody from another country or one of the 'Top Reds'.

I support the club, if i feel like the manager isn't good for our club then i'll say it, but let's be honest Ed Woodward has allowed a huge outlay of money on players, not only in transfer fees but astronomical wages to, I can guarantee this is the kind of guy that would not be arsed if Fellaini stayed that's for sure, but did it for Mourinho. I mean how much more money has to be spent, perhaps spend it wiser on different players? There were cheaper alternatives to Lukaku, to Pogba, to Sanchez, i could go on, which would of allowed us to spend more on other players. Fact is, whilst I don't think Ed Woodward or the Glazers are any good for this club at all, they aren't going anywhere anytime soon and people need to deal with this fact, this also means we will never have a bottomless pit of money to spend, even with hundreds of sponsors and no debt we wouldn't have a bottomless pit, so we have to be smarter than Manchester City with our signings, we cant just sign 2 defenders, think they are shit a season later and sign 2 more to replace them, and then maybe decide next season its the same again, we just can't do it, it's as simple as that.

Mourinho is just full of hypocrisy, whinging, I could go on, I support him whilst he is manager of this club but I don't want him anywhere near it, that's the reality. He talks about respect but hands out plenty of disrespect to everyone, Arsene Wenger a specialist in failure despite him winning the same amount of titles as Mourinho, poking Vilanova in the eye, I could go on. The guys completely classless and he needs to do more than 'boil some piss' in the media for me to actually think he is the man to take us forward. Slagging off Shaw to no end but will no doubt take the credit for his fine start of the season, the die hard support is just completely baffling to me, some take it even as far as to rewrite some of the Sir Alex's history to make Mourinho seem better... Like come on what is this, It's Manchester United Football Club not Mourinho FC, there is no Mourinho and the fans vs Woodward and the board, because Mourinho will be gone well before Ed Woodward or the Glazers, sooner people realise this the better.
 
Virgil said:
Now what the weekend events surrounding the club brought home to me with a vengeance is that, bye enlarge, there is a huge difference in the perception of fans who attend matches and those who only watch it on the box as to where the current problems lie. Most who turn up week in week out (and pay a small fortune for doing so) are firmly behind Jose. Its the same with the perception as to how players are performing. Totally different when you are actually on the terraces to what folks reckon seeing it from a distance. On the small screen you never pick up the nuances as to how player x or player y is acting/behaving. All of course IMHO and then again what the heck do I know, surrounded as I am with greater experts than myself.
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I don't think you can say that as we've already had a matchgoer in here counter claim it. The hardcore fans are behind him, just like they were behind Moyes and LVG.

I just find it odd that people think the club should have continued dominating the Premier League after Sir Alex left. The 'decline' is completely normal, it happened after Busby left as well. When you have one man take charge of the entire club for 27 years you're bound to have problems adjusting afterwards and it's not a fast fix. It's also been unusual that the League has been this competitive and unfortunate that it occurred just as Sir Alex retired, the common top 4 has been replaced with a top 6 lottery. That may seem like excuses to some, sensible to others.

L1nk said:
Herein lies part of the problem, the cult of Mourinho is so strong that apparently you don't support the club if you don't want Mourinho as manager anymore, both of them aren't good for this club, that is my personal opinion, and my opinion comes from having the club I supports best interests at heart, whether people agree or disagree with my opinion is irrelevant, it doesn't make me any less of a supporter of Manchester United than somebody from another country or one of the 'Top Reds'.
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Indeed. People thinking that are ridiculous frankly. "I'm right, you're wrong so feck off". Those are the types who are easily brainwashed by the media.
 
RedSky said:
I just find it odd that people think the club should have continued dominating the Premier League after Sir Alex left. The 'decline' is completely normal, it happened after Busby left as well. When you have one man take charge of the entire club for 27 years you're bound to have problems adjusting afterwards and it's not a fast fix. It's also been unusual that the League has been this competitive and unfortunate that it occurred just as Sir Alex retired, the common top 4 has been replaced with a top 6 lottery. That may seem like excuses to some, sensible to others.
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With this I am in total agreement. I am well old enough to remember Busby retiring and the years we basically spent in the wilderness until SAF came along. Even then many of us believed after three years of no real forward movement that it was time to say goodbye to him. It was a good job that the then board retained faith in him. Mind you times have certainly changed and I cannot see any future United manager being allowed 3 years of grace without winning a trophy which is what Fergie enjoyed. The ride with Fergie was like the ride Shankley and Paisley gave Liverpool supporters. Neither them nor us will ever see the like again. If you lived through it just be thankful that you were around when it happened
 
Class of 63 said:
That was a parting gift, and a one off, plus it was nowhere near a transfer record
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Did they definitely know SAF was leaving at this point? Plus are you sure you're factoring in inflation here to talk about transfer records(?)? Then don't forget Van Persie was a striker who have shorter shelf lives than centre backs, plus he was a massive crock unlike Alderweireld who's had one bad injury in his career.

ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Point missed spectacularly. Of course we could afford him, that’s not the point. We operate as a business, this is not a hobby like City - signings and spend on those signings need to be justified.
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The point was in response to a post about whether SAF would be backed in similar circumstances - I don't know of any signings that we could afford and that SAF wanted as badly as we needed Alderweireld that we didn't go for; personally I think the difference between rounding off the squad for a title challenge and falling back to a struggle for 4th place is worth a lot.
 
Honestly, this is nuts....see the bolded. If Woodward actually thought this, that the man he hired and rehired was only good with experienced players, wouldn't he provide him those experienced players so the team would succeed?
Otherwise, you're right back to the premise that Woodward doesn't care whether the team wins or not. Or isn't even the slightest bit competent and should be fired. Just because you want young players to be played doesn't make it the best way to go.
Jazz said:
Thank you.

They don't realise they might be doing more harm than good. I would much prefer a banner saying Ed get a bloody DOF - STAT! That's constructive and we need it.

Ed is using his common sense (at least a bit), as he's (and everyone else) has seen the evidence that Jose is no good with young talents. He is absolutely right to be sceptical when Jose wants to bin young talents for his overpaid henchmen. Make no mistake, one reason he wanted Willian is because they get along!

What I don't want, is for Ed to give in to Jose in anyway. Big big mistake. He should stand his ground regardless of the protests. What he needs to concern himself with is getting a DOF.

This sort of thing pains me because you know Jose doesn't give a shit about our club. It's all about him and his reputation. That some of our fans are allowing him to get away with this makes my blood boil. At the end of the day, it will be our club that suffers whilst Jose goes off spinning shit about how it's all United's fault, whilst pocketing a huge pay out.

I would get rid of him and his politics now before things get more out of hand and give McKenna the bloody job until the end of the season.

No one says Ed is blameless. He should by now realise we need a sense of direction and people on the board who know their football. However, this is not the way to go about doing things, and the manager should be held accountable and not pitted against the board aided by some fans.
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L1nk said:
Herein lies part of the problem, the cult of Mourinho is so strong that apparently you don't support the club if you don't want Mourinho as manager anymore, both of them aren't good for this club, that is my personal opinion, and my opinion comes from having the club I supports best interests at heart, whether people agree or disagree with my opinion is irrelevant, it doesn't make me any less of a supporter of Manchester United than somebody from another country or one of the 'Top Reds'.

I support the club, if i feel like the manager isn't good for our club then i'll say it, but let's be honest Ed Woodward has allowed a huge outlay of money on players, not only in transfer fees but astronomical wages to, I can guarantee this is the kind of guy that would not be arsed if Fellaini stayed that's for sure, but did it for Mourinho. I mean how much more money has to be spent, perhaps spend it wiser on different players? There were cheaper alternatives to Lukaku, to Pogba, to Sanchez, i could go on, which would of allowed us to spend more on other players. Fact is, whilst I don't think Ed Woodward or the Glazers are any good for this club at all, they aren't going anywhere anytime soon and people need to deal with this fact, this also means we will never have a bottomless pit of money to spend, even with hundreds of sponsors and no debt we wouldn't have a bottomless pit, so we have to be smarter than Manchester City with our signings, we cant just sign 2 defenders, think they are shit a season later and sign 2 more to replace them, and then maybe decide next season its the same again, we just can't do it, it's as simple as that.

Mourinho is just full of hypocrisy, whinging, I could go on, I support him whilst he is manager of this club but I don't want him anywhere near it, that's the reality. He talks about respect but hands out plenty of disrespect to everyone, Arsene Wenger a specialist in failure despite him winning the same amount of titles as Mourinho, poking Vilanova in the eye, I could go on. The guys completely classless and he needs to do more than 'boil some piss' in the media for me to actually think he is the man to take us forward. Slagging off Shaw to no end but will no doubt take the credit for his fine start of the season, the die hard support is just completely baffling to me, some take it even as far as to rewrite some of the Sir Alex's history to make Mourinho seem better... Like come on what is this, It's Manchester United Football Club not Mourinho FC, there is no Mourinho and the fans vs Woodward and the board, because Mourinho will be gone well before Ed Woodward or the Glazers, sooner people realise this the better.
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Listen to yourself. Calling others the cult of Mourinho, then going on a rabid rant of anything and everything anti-Mourinho you can dig up. Why not find out if he kicked a kid in the sandbox when he was 5 too? Anti-Mourinho cult much?

You are right. There is no Mourinho FC. There is Manchester United Football Club. Like him or not, Mourinho is currently part of Manchester United Football Club, and till that changes, his success is in the best interests of this club. He fails, we fail. Then we try again for another 2 years with the next flavour of the month manager, one of which just failed to work his magic against the mighty Watford. Also, most people don't seem to understand that the 'huge amount' of money Mr. Woodward has 'given' the manager is partly based on his rubbish negotiation skills. Besides that Alexis swap, we have usually paid top dollar for our signings and gotten a pittance for our outgoings. Just my personal opinion.
 
Drifter said:
Never knew they had hired a plane to send a message until i watched MOTD. What a bunch of twats.
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I heard that the press ( I don't know which paper) funded the stunt. I do think the sentiment expressed was odd considering Woodward's success in selling United.
 
jderbyshire said:
I see the banner as fans backing Mourinho as much as slating Woodward.

The media campaign has been a bit out of order by the Club (the whole "Jose's been a petulant child over the summer, wanting to get rid of Martial (future Balon D'or winner mate :wenger:) and replace him with 29-year-olds, but we're prepared to let it go and back him")

Every United fan I talk to says the same thing about Woodward (almost a cliche at this point) - "All he knows about is sponsorships and signing new instant noodle partners, blah blah etc."

This group with the banner are simply pointing to this prominent view amongst fans, saying that Woodward should not come out of all this unscathed.
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True.
 
Regalia said:
Listen to yourself. Calling others the cult of Mourinho, then going on a rabid rant of anything and everything anti-Mourinho you can dig up. Why not find out if he kicked a kid in the sandbox when he was 5 too? Anti-Mourinho cult much?

You are right. There is no Mourinho FC. There is Manchester United Football Club. Like him or not, Mourinho is currently part of Manchester United Football Club, and till that changes, his success is in the best interests of this club. He fails, we fail. Then we try again for another 2 years with the next flavour of the month manager, one of which just failed to work his magic against the mighty Watford. Also, most people don't seem to understand that the 'huge amount' of money Mr. Woodward has 'given' the manager is partly based on his rubbish negotiation skills. Besides that Alexis swap, we have usually paid top dollar for our signings and gotten a pittance for our outgoings. Just my personal opinion.
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That's kind of the point also though, i don't need to dig up anything, there's plenty of stuff Mourinho just brings on himself, and if you read my post I said as long as he's manager of Manchester United I will support him, i'm not willing and wanting him to fail because I support the club, but that doesn't mean I want him as our manager either, also, because I support the club. Stop foaming at the mouth with rage at the thought of someone else coming in and possibly doing a better job than him, some people value entertainment and a non circus act over what we have now, that is the reality.

It just goes round and round, the signs are there that Mourinho isn't really going to take this club any further than he has, so it gets pointed out, then we put in a decent performance against say Burnley of all teams and then everyone pro Mourinho starts going haha I told you so, those fake anti Mourinho fans just got showed up and then another manager people want gets insulted for no reason... then we will end up putting on another shit show, Mourinho may slag off more players, call his defense garbage etc and we start the cycle all over again. It really is just never ending. Fact is whilst this awful media does not help, Mourinho brings a lot of it on himself that's why he's an easy target for them, and that's why he's so maligned and splits the fanbase like no other, he has a habit of turning people against each other and saving his own ass, i mean there's evidence of this happening at multiple past clubs, yet nobody here seems to notice it happening here again, it's bizarre.
 
Virgil said:
Now what the weekend events surrounding the club brought home to me with a vengeance is that, bye enlarge, there is a huge difference in the perception of fans who attend matches and those who only watch it on the box as to where the current problems lie. Most who turn up week in week out (and pay a small fortune for doing so) are firmly behind Jose. Its the same with the perception as to how players are performing. Totally different when you are actually on the terraces to what folks reckon seeing it from a distance. On the small screen you never pick up the nuances as to how player x or player y is acting/behaving. All of course IMHO and then again what the heck do I know, surrounded as I am with greater experts than myself.
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Nice post. Nice tone. Good on you.
 
endless_wheelies said:
Did they definitely know SAF was leaving at this point? Plus are you sure you're factoring in inflation here to talk about transfer records(?)? Then don't forget Van Persie was a striker who have shorter shelf lives than centre backs, plus he was a massive crock unlike Alderweireld who's had one bad injury in his career.
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Could be totally wrong but I always felt there was more going on behind the scenes that what SAF and David Gill let on when the left, and think RvP who was a massive risk because of his injuries was brought in more to push Rooney out of the club, and not to partner him.

You can only compare to prices at the time and Torres had already gone to Chelsea for £50m, so although he'd just turned 29 and was an injury risk RvP for £24m was a bargain, and it weakened a rival to boot.
 
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