Jesus Christ, is he a teddy bear so he needs a cuddle?
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I agree, mate. Shaw has all the tools physically to be a top level FB imo, but there's mounting evidence he doesn't want to push himself as required to make it at a club like United under a manager like Mourinho. Doing it in small bursts isn't enough. I'm not even sure Young is better than Shaw tbh, but he's a true professional whose work ethic is beyond reproach.
I remember before the season started watching a Guillem Balague interview (Not out favourite person I know) were he was talking about his new book about Poch. During which he talked about Poch and Luke Shaw and how at Southampton Poch would make Shaw a drink every morning and they'd sit in his office and talk.
There was two reasons for this.
1, The drink had some sort of vitamins in it or something like that which helped Shaw control his weight.
2, Having a chat every morning gave Shaw what he really needed which was a dad.
At that point, RING A DING A RING A DING. Alarm bells started going. Mourinho just isn't that sort of manager and it's no wonder that things have gone the way they have.
I think we've all written the obituaries for his Utd career a few times but this really does feel like an end game now. We've got 9 or 10 games left this season and I think it's highly unlikely we'll see him in a Utd shirt again.
Such a shame.
There was two reasons for this.
1, The drink had some sort of vitamins in it or something like that which helped Shaw control his weight.
2, Having a chat every morning gave Shaw what he really needed which was a dad.
At that point, RING A DING A RING A DING. Alarm bells started going. Mourinho just isn't that sort of manager and it's no wonder that things have gone the way they have.
I think we've all written the obituaries for his Utd career a few times but this really does feel like an end game now. We've got 9 or 10 games left this season and I think it's highly unlikely we'll see him in a Utd shirt again.
Such a shame.
Shaw needs to go
He's never going to succeed at United for whatever reason
feels like a combination of Shaw's limitations and attitude/application as well as Mourinho being a nasty bullying tosser
Would have been interesting if Shaw had held an interview to slate Mourinho's tactical approach vrs Sevilla in those 2 games which was seriously substandard
if the shoe fits and all that
He's never going to succeed at United for whatever reason
feels like a combination of Shaw's limitations and attitude/application as well as Mourinho being a nasty bullying tosser
Would have been interesting if Shaw had held an interview to slate Mourinho's tactical approach vrs Sevilla in those 2 games which was seriously substandard
if the shoe fits and all that
I just don't see how it served any purpose doing what he did to him on Saturday, he knows already what he'll get from him, and no way was he any worse than others on the night, I don't like Shaw much and would be happy to see him go, but Jose seemed to pick on a very easy target here, and for no apparent reason at all.
Weight loss vitamins? Because that doesn't sound dodgy at all...
Every manager he's had has openly criticised him. It's no coincidence.
Poch said he doesn't work hard enough, LvG said he's unfit, Hodgson said he's unfit and now Mourinho.
Poch said he doesn't work hard enough, LvG said he's unfit, Hodgson said he's unfit and now Mourinho.
Yeah imagine admitting to literally drugging your employee with a drink.
It's very convenient that around incidents like this, we don't hear the story from both sides.
I think that for the good of all parties here, Luke Shaw should move on if Jose isn't committed to having him in the squad. However this isn't the first time Jose has accused someone of lacking dedication in training or on the field. Matter of fact, said player is currently in the running for POTY. So I don't know what's going on.
It's very convenient that around incidents like this, we don't hear the story from both sides.
I think that for the good of all parties here, Luke Shaw should move on if Jose isn't committed to having him in the squad. However this isn't the first time Jose has accused someone of lacking dedication in training or on the field. Matter of fact, said player is currently in the running for POTY. So I don't know what's going on.
Oh!! So Poch does it too?
But did other sources ever come out and question KDB or Salah or Lukaku's work ethic at Chelsea? Genuine question, because if it was just Mourinho lambasting Shaw it'd be reasonable to assume he was just covering his own ass, but in this instance it's been leveled at him from a number of different managers and trainers he's had over the course of years.
Yeah I don't remember what he said exactly but yeah he certainly said it was some sort of drink to help with his weight.
If weight control drink doesn't contained banned substance, I doubt we would refuse to give him. And many other players who have problem with weight
He never criticised Salah or Lukaku's training or work ethic. He said this about De Bruyne in 2015 (after he was sold)...
“He was not ready to compete,. He was an upset kid, training very bad. He needs motivation to train well, by playing every game".
I can't remember him being critical when he was actually at Chelsea.
You see on these type of things I don't really blame the manager, he doesn't have the time to do it but I definitely blame the supposed leaders in the locker room, they are the ones supposed to push the younger players and the players that need pushing, they are supposed to establish standards and make sure that everyone respect them.
Rooney used to establish the standard as he himself claimed in one of the interview. No wonder...
I seem to remember Lollichon blabbing about it on RMC, he was asked to give some insight and his answer was that Mourinho had for motto that you need to train like you play.
It just seems convenient, his former trainer coming out. One sided too.
Complete waste of time. We can’t afford to molly coddle him.
Mourinho training session often being reported as dense but short. Real Madrid players said Ancelotti trained more than Mourinho when Ancelotti's training appeared to be light, but longer.
Rooney used to establish the standard as he himself claimed in one of the interview. No wonder...
You laugh but that's probably the real problem here, we don't have bad players and Mourinho isn't a bad manager but we don't have reliable role models in the locker room, when I say role model I'm strictly talking about football. I mentioned before but I have been marked by the description made by the leaders of Ancelotti's Milan, they were basically ruling the locker room, bollocking players when they weren't acting like expected and it was a group of players, not just one.
Edit: Also under SAF, cuddling and listening to players was allegedly Phelan's work, while the club had a man supposed to take care of players' need outside of Carrington, iirc.
Yeah, I'm talking about the focus, the intensity and commitment. He expects you to train as if you were playing the WC final.
We under SAF had similar standard.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...do-was-reduced-to-tears-by-sir-alex-ferguson/
Read it you can see how it's demanding environment. The players pushed others to be professional even without SAF presence (it's reported SAF ain't oversee every second of training session as he had other thing to attend in the club daily work). That's we lost with the true leaders of the squad being gutted out after SAF's retirement.
In one of Vidic interview, he name dropped Tevez as a player who doesn't like to train, which might be a reason SAF ain't seeing him to have long lasting professionalism at top level, and not trying the hardest to tie him down. Tevez did had great moment when he left us but you can argue he doesn't maintain that level for long, but just patches and eventually being replaced whenever he went to.
I really don't think that's unreasonable at the level of sport we are talking about. Manchester United (and pretty much every club Jose has managed) aspire to be the best of the best.
If someone is not giving 100% as a kid in Southampton's youth setup, then that's kinda understandable, kids will be kids. A man in his 20s at Manchester United not giving it his all? That's inexcusable.
I agree, there is nothing unreasonable about it. I do wonder how Mourinho organizes himself, reading about Milan, United or Juventus makes me think that it's best to give the policing responsibilities to players, that way the manager isn't the bad guy and it's probably easier for a player to be guided everyday by his peers than be scolded by the manager on few occasions.
I'm a bit bemused how Shaw has managed to convince the world he's a world class full back, who is only being hamstrung by a bully of a boss. He's nothing other than a completely unfulfilled talent at this stage. 0 goals and 3 assists in his entire 129-game career for someone who is supposedly an attacking full back.
I want to see him play more. We need our full backs who play on their "correct" side to supply us width for our narrow forwards. I'd like to see Young on the right and Shaw on the left, but that's down to intrigue rather than us knowing we have Dani Alves on the bench.
Can still remember clear as day where I was driving whilst listening to The Times podcast where Marcotti was completely bemused at Shaw being voted the best left back in the Premier League. Being young, English and having mediocre competition got him that award for a decent, promising season for a very young player.
I want to see him play more. We need our full backs who play on their "correct" side to supply us width for our narrow forwards. I'd like to see Young on the right and Shaw on the left, but that's down to intrigue rather than us knowing we have Dani Alves on the bench.
Can still remember clear as day where I was driving whilst listening to The Times podcast where Marcotti was completely bemused at Shaw being voted the best left back in the Premier League. Being young, English and having mediocre competition got him that award for a decent, promising season for a very young player.
I don’t think it’s just because of poor mistreated Shaw that people have it in for Young. I think people still resent Fergie signing him at a time when fans (i.e. the Caf) were crying out for centre midfielders. And then got cross when he massively improved under LvG.
Whatever the reason, I agree it’s bizarre
In my eyes there is nothing more damming than that. If literally every manager he's ever had has had issues with him then then problem must be Shaw. I hope he succeeds elsewhere but it isn't going to be here.
The main problem I have with the Jose / Shaw thing is that he hasnt had a run of games and other players have put in terrible performances but not been digged out the way Shaw has.
So it seems to be there is some favouritism in the squad.
Other than that I dont have an issue with managers calling players out, but if you’re going to do it then
1. Be consistent
2. Give players a run in the team
I think the reason for Shaw not getting a run of games is because in Jose’s world, Shaw is living on borrowed time at united and should be showing more committment in training and more application on Match days. With Jose, a player is judged not just on on-field performances but equally on the work off the pitch.
For e.g., Rashford or Scott McTominay could be playing badly but will get opportunities because they are supposedly showing drive and committment off the pitch. That drive in Shaw might be the missing piece for Jose.
I might be completely wrong and there could be some favouritism by Jose. But then the question is, why is Shaw, a player Jose actively pursued at Chelsea and has good things to say about in terms of potential, out of favour?
All I know is he praised Shaw not that long ago and didnt play him.
I dont actually care too much about Shaw, my main problem is that it seems to be Jose has favourites and they can perform badly without being thrown under the bus, and then there are others.
Young has better end product and his defending isn’t any worse than shaw’s is.
Not particularly. Shaw contributed very little in attack and did little defensively. Young did much better and put in a wonderful ball for our second.
This bullying talk and whoever is leaking is pathetic.
Shaw needs to grow up and prove Jose wrong.
Shaw needs to grow up and prove Jose wrong.
Totally agree with this. Why is everyone slamming him when he's played less than a handful of games? We don't know what happens behind the scenes but I agree with the poor treatment on the face of it.
The only thing we can do is assume it's because something is happening off-the-field that makes José not wanna give more playing to Shaw. Mourinho has access to much more information and surely if Shaw isn't playing more, it's because there is something he's not doing because Mourinho has given good interviews about him, he rates him but there is only so much rating a player can do.
Playing time is surely earned not by playing well during games but how they behave during the rest of the days (diet, training)
As much as all this drama is on Shaw, I say Jose is as much to blame. If you are not ready to work with him then sell him and buy a new LB. All this drama and public criticism is getting annoying.
People worrying about Luke going somewhere else and being great. He might at first, but I bet it tails off as he goes back to his old ways. He will see the first few months as a motivation, but it depends if the manager has the time to keep him personally motivated. Footballers really should be able to find that drive and motivation themselves or they really are in the wrong job.
Depends where he goes. Can see him moving to Tottenham personally and I think Poch would use the same methods he used at Southampton to bring the best out of him. I'd use him as a makeweight in the Alderweireld deal, we'll still get fleeced, but hopefully less so if we have a player they want.
That is so right. Honestly for what he's offered those figures are shocking even pre injury.
You could be right there, or Willian from Chelsea. Maybe we have missed a trick with the old vitamin weight controlling tablets and the agony aunt sessions. Juan should have taken him aside, I bet he is a good listener.
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