Going on his most recent game against West Ham he's beginning to look like the player we knew before the injury. However if that's good enough is another question. Due to his style of play (as in Phil Jones) I think there will always be injury issues with him.
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Man Utd 1:0 Watford
Young has easily been one of our best players this season. Some on here are nothing more than hipster, fifa idiots.
To be fair Shaw when he has played has done pretty well. His defending has been on par if not better than Young’s but then we’ve only seen small sample sizes of Shaw and if he was playing as much as Young has surely he’d have made a few mistakes as well.
On balance for me the team looks a better shape and plays better with Shaw in than Young but of course it’s still not perfect and his end product needs to improve and knowing when he can be more aggressive there. Speaking of aggressive he’s been great in the air. Didn’t know he had such a leap on him.
But yeah for the most part Young has been a solid performer this year with just the occasional dip. One of our most consistent for sure.
I don't think his style is particularly suited to Mourinho either. There was a passage of play in the second half where Watford broke down his flank and (i think) Rojo came across as last man and made a tackle because Shaw was still way up the pitch. Nothing especially wrong with that but i think thats the sort of thing that will infuriate Jose. Defend first attack second. He wants Shaw to get forward but not at the expense of leaving huge gaps behind him.
This guy has 5 assist his whole career and 0 goals as a left back. Young has 7-8 assist just this season alone.
He is nowhere good enough for this club and I've never seen anything that proves me wrong. Awful signing for the money we paid.
He is nowhere good enough for this club and I've never seen anything that proves me wrong. Awful signing for the money we paid.
I'm sorry but isn't that the rule of football? We're on the attack you have your team mate cover you. It's a different story if he's caught out when he shouldn't be.
Yeah Young > Evra too,
He's been getting a lot of praise recently but he really doesn't offer anything. Young deservedly starts ahead of him but he, too, isn't a great option. Maybe all the criticism has gotten to him but he doesn't seem interested when he's playing.
To be fair most of his football came at 17/18, he may have naturally developed that side of his game had he been playing regularly for the past 3 years.
He’s a good footballer, but as you point out he isn’t currently productive enough for what Jose needs; he’s suit the ‘Delph’ role inverting from leftback into midfield, but he doesn’t offer enough quality going forward, which is probably what Jose’s looking for.
I see a top quality centrehalf or even central midfielder in him; quick, strong, good passer and solid defender. He played most of his early football in midfield; he’s a top talent, it’s just going to take a rethink to maximise it.
He offers more stability at the back and is a better defender than Young, he's less predictable than Young when he's being offensive as well, Young's constant cutting back onto his right foot kills momentum a lot of the time.
Performance in that Deadpool trailer is pretty decent.
Been ok his last few appearances. Hopefully he has shown enough to stay with the squad next year as lb cover with young moving over to the right.
Young's stats belie how much he hinders us at times in attack. When he's not directly involved in assisting or scoring he slows us down and him being right footed on the left means he often struggles to play the ball down the line for the winger in front of him to run onto and instead either has to chip it to them or play it to feet which often slows down our transitions.
Shaw is much calmer and effective at maintaining possession against the press and superior in helping our overall build up play. His end product is shite, but I think the side looks more cohesive in attack when he plays. That likely says more about the limitations of Young and less about the brilliance of Shaw, but I do wish he could put it all together because the natural talent and tools he possesses are very evident.
Well put mate, my thoughts exactly. Having Shaw on the field encourages our left winger to do the hard work on the attacking wing, which should always be the case because they're the best at it. Young forces the likes of Sanchez and Martial centrally and ends up doing a lot of the attacking left wing work himself, frustrates the hell out of me.
If you actually watched, Young was caught out the most of our defenders this season. Often out of position leaving us vulnerable. But of course you're only looking at attacking like your Fifa.In a weird way I actually think Jose kinda rates him. For sure a funny way of showing it but I think he is using the stick instead of the carrot approach to bring him on.
I think it was Lampard or Terry or even both but they said if Jose likes you he’ll be on you 24/7if he’s not then you’re in trouble. I’m positive I’ve read things or seen him say that Shaw is probably the best fullback at the club. That he is one of the best athletes at the club. Weird things to say about a guy you supposedly hate.
I’m more than likely overthinking it and he’ll be sold this summer just think there are intresting things that have been said on the kid by Jose which just beg questioning. The guy should have probably played a bit more than he has really but we’ll see how this plays out.
Get a grip? Pipe down will you. State on this club having converted wingers to be our starting full backs. Shaw only needed a run of games. He’s done well most times he had a chance.
I don’t need to get a grip of nothing
Yes but how far forward you go, how much your teammate has to cover you etc is down to manager preference. We dont know what he is being asked to do but there has to be a reason Mourinho doesn't play him and he does get caught up field a lot.
Well you might also say that he is our only attacking fullback so that in it self could give you a hint why he is caught out more than others.. Staying back and defending is much easier than attacking and defending.
He is also the only fullback who has contributed anything to our goal scoring. Shaw really isn´t anywhere near the class of fullbacks we should be looking at, Young isn´t either but at least he could be used on both sides and could assist or score a goal here and there. The sooner we tackle this problem the better, Shaw should leave this summer and we all should move on.
This should end the thread.
If we're basing our next season on "YOung has been good this year" we'll cry at the end that we barely got top4.
We need two specialists in the LB/RB positions. I think Shaw can do well there if we get a new and solid RB, but fek no, we can't move forward with a 33y old Young and Valencia, just fek no.
Shaw has been alright when given the chance.
We need a new leftback for next season.
Young possibly on the bench and Shaw is a goner.
Young possibly on the bench and Shaw is a goner.
He has been decent but he hasn't done anything that suggests he should be our permanent LB. He's doing the bare minimum expected from a left back, passing, running and linking. People seem to have a very low expectations of him if they consider this good enough to be the main LB for a run. The less any player plays, the more overrated his performance gets.
We should sign a new main and top left back in summer.
We should sign a new main and top left back in summer.
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I dont disagree that he's done well coming forward as he's a very good crosser and as such, he has a place. But he has been a liability defensively this season.
Personally I'd much prefer keeping Shaw as a backup and looking to compete with whoever we likely sign as first choice leftback. Young isnt going to be playing much longer and I'd rather a young player with weaknesses than an old one who might not have time to fix them.
Think most just want him to get a run of games together. He did that earlier in the season and he got better each game then was dropped. He's done well most of the time he's played but he won't be outstanding without a string of games so of course he'll not be meeting expectations.
He has done the bare minimum as I said. People just don't see a main LB doing the LB job regularly here anymore as Young tends to always cut inside so they believe Shaw has been very good, but any average left footed LB will do this without much fuss so decent is most I can describe his performance with and it's not enough for. Some think passing or linking with someone and making a run is good enough to be labelled a good performance and deserved a run, it's not, it's the bare minimum and in big clubs you don't to have a run to just get your form up quite often.
The only reason I would want him to have got a run is to analyze his position not that he was actually that good. Otherwise, we need a top and main LB with end product.
He was looking so good before that leg break 
Was reading Duncan Castles Sandro article and he had this in it.
“Left back has been a problem position for Jose Mourinho since his arrival at Old Trafford with Luke Shaw spurning multiple opportunities to hold down the role”
“Spurning” did he really though Castles? I don’t know exactly what Jose wanted, but from what I could see he did quite well exceeding even over that period of Young missing. Think he got a few MOTM awards did he not. He obviously still has massive room for improvement in the attacking phase of course but overall looked like he did what was asked and certainly didn’t spurn the oppertunities.
“Left back has been a problem position for Jose Mourinho since his arrival at Old Trafford with Luke Shaw spurning multiple opportunities to hold down the role”
“Spurning” did he really though Castles? I don’t know exactly what Jose wanted, but from what I could see he did quite well exceeding even over that period of Young missing. Think he got a few MOTM awards did he not. He obviously still has massive room for improvement in the attacking phase of course but overall looked like he did what was asked and certainly didn’t spurn the oppertunities.
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Given what we know about Duncan Castles, are those his words, or those of Mourinho or whoever fed him the story?
He is interested, but I think he is doing the absolute, bare minimum.
He'll run his contract down, which I think expires next Summer and will then sign up with another team, which is more appropriate to his skill/commitment level.
This is a player who lacks ambition and is happy to spend his time either on the bench or simply not playing, while picking up a bumper pay cheque. This has been the case for the last few years and I don't see it changing.
He was looking so good before that leg break
He had about 8 good games. That's it.
Anderson (the guy who needed an oxygen tank to play), had more good games for us, than Shaw.
You are right, he was very good when give a run of games, then Young went straight back in after the suspension for no reason.
Luke Shaw like many others in the team cannot be relied on to give a good performance 7-9 times of every 10 games.
Yes, his contract expires in 2019.
That's what he seems to be doing and United seem determined to get a return on their investment in him.
We need to learn when to let go. He holds all the aces. Even if he finally lives up to his billing next season, we could be left empty handed.
Yes, his contract expires in 2019.
That's what he seems to be doing and United seem determined to get a return on their investment in him.
We need to learn when to let go. He holds all the aces. Even if he finally lives up to his billing next season, we could be left empty handed.
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If Shaw was very good when he played a few games in a row then Young is the second coming of Roberto Carlos. Shaw is shockingly bad going forward, almost as bad as Valencia. His timing of runs is extremely strange, as if he doesn't actually know where to go, and when he does make a run forward his decision making is poor. His delivery on crosses is also bad.
Shaw is good in the air and good at defending 1v1s, and that's about it.
Shaw is good in the air and good at defending 1v1s, and that's about it.
He also looks like he could be a good player going forwards when he runs with the ball, but the final outcome is always poor.
I'm pretty sure they were just playing at high altitude and he wasn't used to it.
That's because he's fast and strong. He's a headless chicken going forward, and he was never a good offensive fullback with Southampton.
3 assists in 133 games says it all.
Yeah, he does look clueless at times.
It's not as if I think he is a bad fullback. I think he would do quite well in Seria A where defensive fullbacks are more important. But, we need attacking fullbacks due to our forwards crowding the middle. It's also why I consider phasing out Valencia important.
I agree, it's one of the main reasons why Young gets the nod over Shaw, even if he has to cut onto his right foot a lot.
Yeah there's a huge myth that he's an amazing attacking fullback just because he's fast, and yes, he still is fast. He's pretty solid defensively though.
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