Let's be honest. Shaw has looked like hot rubbish ever since his first major injury. And he's looked even worse this season playing for the reserves. Some will claim that it's because he's short on confidence, but frankly if a player isn't confident enough to exert themselves in a reserves game then they don't deserve to play for United. We are United for goodness sake!!!
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He could be fatter if he was any good.
Manchester City purchased three fullbacks in the last transfer window and lost Mendy through injury and are already on the lookout for a replacement left-back whereas we have had to use a host of failed wingers and utility players for the last two years. This situation perfectly illustrates where the two Manchester clubs are at in terms of ambition. City has the resources and the desire to compete and win the CL whereas Manchester United are just content to make the top four in the EPL and keep the money rolling in. If United was serious about returning to the top of European football then they would have given Mourinho the resources to completely reshape the squad including new fullbacks, wingers and an extra midfielder. We desperately need a specialist left-back that can defend and provide width to out attack. Why we spent 31m for a reserve CB when we desperately needed a left-back is perplexing, to say the least.
So buying left backs equals ambition to win everything? City spent close to 150 million on fullbacks! and they are now playing Delph at left back. They are doing well because their attacking players are in fine form and they have good depth!
Shaw was a hot prospect when he joined us and then had that horrible injury at such a young age. Agreed he had time to recover but having two different types of managers didnt help his progression either. It's best to cut our loses now or maybe in this inflated market it might not even be a loss.
Don't think the reserves or under23 is the right place to assess these things. Seen Jones play for them and blimey he was useless. It's more fitness than performance in those games for first teamers.
I think not going on loan was poor management from both his team and Jose. Not faulting Jose for believing the player has it in him to recover his form quicker than norm. We should loan him in Jan and watch how he progresses back in regular first team action..
Looking at how long it took Falcao. For someone like him with not much credit to bank at the highest level. He needs to use the simple approach and go out on loan..
I think we'll put him out of his misery in January, maybe just on loan but it'll be the springboard to a full move in the summer.
It's not ambition, it's having an endless pot of money to just throw players out like trash and buy new ones whenever you want, for all the money United have the club is still ran like a business. I personally think we've given Shaw too much time but this is nothing new, we've always done that with injury plagued players, and thet fact he's a young Enlgish player just gets him more slack.
It's not ambition, it's having an endless pot of money to just throw players out like trash and buy new ones whenever you want, for all the money United have the club is still ran like a business. I personally think we've given Shaw too much time but this is nothing new, we've always done that with injury plagued players, and thet fact he's a young Enlgish player just gets him more slack.
I agree.
Two of the five games were against Brugge where Depay looked amazing.
These same people kept clinging onto the 5 games Anderson and Cleverley played well for.
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Maybe try performing better in U23 Luke rather than thinking looking incompetent in those matches too.
If so, it's very baffling why we didn't go for a new LB in the summer. We could have got some decent money for him too.
Very true. However if the things that are said in the article are true, then Jose hasn't handled this well either. The 3 minutes or whatever at Swansea was a bit of a joke to be honest. Been as well calling up another younger player. What's he going to prove in that time? He absolutely has to go however. The last 2 years of his career have been a total waste.
To be fair mate, players like Smalling, Martial, Mkhitaryan here have comeback in the team and played regularly for stretches after being criticised in public by Mourinho. Young has come from nowhere and slotted straight into the first team. Anybody who has watched those U23 matches will tell you Shaw's attitude has been a disgrace.
Jose could've been soft on him but Shaw's response has been lacking. He blatantly looked overweight aswell when he came on against Swansea.
I haven't read the article as it's behind paywall, can you give a summary(don't copy paste the whole article) of what was said in this?
I'm not bothered that he'll be sold at the next opportunity. What bothers me is that we didn't buy a left back in the summer when it was obvious we desperately needed one. What makes it even worse is we squandered £30m on a rubbish CB when that money could have been used to buy LB. Not particularly good management from Jose in this instance.
One of the issues was rushing through a Visa for the Moscow Champions League game for him to not even make the squad and stay in Manchester. I think it's unnecessary. Shaw is obviously at fault, but I just think it's an example of Mourinho really only fancying a certain type of personality. That's fair enough, and it's his team, but it's not a surprise that he's ended up pissing of half the team virtually everywhere he's been.
We did try for a LWB in Perisic?
Must be tricky to motivate yourself when the writing has been on the wall for some time.
Poor Luke, nothing he could have done to change things. Mourinho just flipped a coin and decided he was going to hate Luke. Didn't stand a chance.
The fact that he wasn't sold in the summer and we didn't buy a LB wasn't motivation enough?
Ah, gotcha both.
What about when he literally said Luke Shaw was too dumb to start without Mourinho’s brain? It’s abudantly clear he hasn’t fancied the player for some time. The comparisons of Martial/Smalling etc. - did he say anything anywhere near as barmy about these players?
Mourinho has also blathered on all season about his fourth signing - a LWB - who would’ve been another player ahead of Shaw.
Let’s be very flippant about things, though.
What about when he literally said Luke Shaw was too dumb to start without Mourinho’s brain? It’s abudantly clear he hasn’t fancied the player for some time. The comparisons of Martial/Smalling etc. - did he say anything anywhere near as barmy about these players?
Mourinho has also blathered on all season about his fourth signing - a LWB - who would’ve been another player ahead of Shaw.
Let’s be very flippant about things, though.
This forum needs to decide if signing Perisic would've halted Martial's progress more or Shaw's? Unfortunately people keep on changing it to suit their arguments.
You yourself wanted a new leftback, then why are you criticising Mourinho for not being satisfied with our current options?
You yourself wanted a new leftback, then why are you criticising Mourinho for not being satisfied with our current options?
It does look difficult for him at present. I think Jose tried different ways to get a response from him from belittling him to saying he's should be the best LB here. He's a young lad and I'm in no doubt the potential was there but it seems from the outside anyway that he struggled to settle. It seems the best of his football was a period with his Bro-mance with Depay and that seem to help them both. The injury cut short their relationship and Depay never found that form again and neither has Shaw. It's not the answer but a big club, you need relationships with players outside of football and I'm not sure Shaw does within the club.
Perisic is not a left back. How many games have we played with wing backs this season?
It’s abundantly clear that this was the season for Shaw to step the feck up and nail down that LB slot. The fact he hasn’t done that is on him.
He doesn't seem very bright. Turning up overweight and getting publicly bollocked by LvG wasn't a good start. Moving in with a bunch of his mates wasn't too clever, either.
Not sure if it's true but I've been told he's one of those lads that was hugely talented at football but never really loved the game. Also isn't one of those players that likes the fame and profile of being at a large club and is a bit of a loner. I think if he had the option he'd prefer to disappear into the ether where he could live the lifestyle he chooses away from the spotlight...
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I'm completely with you on the sentiment that Shaw should be working his arse off. "It must be hard to motivate yourself when..." feck off you're at United, if it's hard to motivate yourself you're at the wrong club full stop. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
WRT Peresic though, I think it was definitely Mourinho's plan to move to a 3-4-3/3-5-2, hence Lindelof's strange purchase. He was earmarked for the Luiz role where defensive deficiencies are covered by the other two in favour of having someone who has a good passing range and ability to charge forward.
Bailly - Lindelof - Jones
Valencia ------------------- Peresic
Pogba --- Matic
---Mkhitaryan Martial
Lukaku
Valencia ------------------- Peresic
Pogba --- Matic
---Mkhitaryan Martial
Lukaku
Do you really believe that?
He has looked well out of shape and uninterested whenever he has played.. You could compare him and Ashley Young both had injuries at the end of last season but Ashley looks fit and ready when called upon. Not buying a left back this summer should have given him a boost to grab that chance with both hands. Football sadly waits for no one.
He was being sarcastic.
We should ship him out asap and buy a proper leftback. This has dragged on long enough.
Cant see him here much longer,we need a first team left back pronto,time to cut our losses with him.
I just don't think he can be fecked anymore. Not sure he'll be any good if he moved clubs either. He's gotta have a word with himself to see if he really still wants to play football seriously. If he doesn't, he's only 22 and there's still plenty of time for him to find another career.
Shit I need to get my Sarcastometer back in shape..
you just know that once we sell him he will go on to be one of the best LB in the league !
This may or may not be true, but either way, it isn't relevant. The only relevant question is, will he become a top leftback at United? The answer is undeniable at this point - he will not.
Maybe if he signs for Leyton Orient, otherwise seems doubtful.
If I was a PL manager I wouldn't go near him. If he isn't motivated to play in the Champions League and challenge for trophies, he isn't exactly going to be motivated for Stoke vs Huddersfield.
He’s got the players to use that formation this season though. The lack of Perisic in the formation above hurts us no more than the lack of a top quality LB in the formations he has been using.
I’m sure that if we had signed Perisic we would have seen a back three a bit more often but there would have still been loads of opportunities for Shaw too. Either as a fullback or competing for that left wingback slot. Getting rid of Shaw and “replacing” him with Perisic would still leave us with a flawed squad IMO. Whether or not we sign Perisic we’re crying out for a really good, quick, left-footed defender.
I wanted a leftback because I knew the writing was on the wall for Shaw. I’m sure if you do more scouring through my posts you might find something like that, I think I might have said something along those lines. If I didn’t - my general view at LB was that we’d either need one, or give Shaw the season to prove himself.
Sure, he’s done shite for the U23s and he’s still a bit of a mess fitness wise, but I’m very much on the opposite side of the spectrum with the whole ‘Manchester United is all you need to be motivated!’ shtick. Confidence is gigantic in football and I imagine Shaw is running on empty.
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Hang on, I haven’t criticised Mourinho for being unsatisifed, have I? I think the other three LB options we have are rotational options at best. However I think Shaw has/had the capacity to be our LB, but yeah that ship seems to have sailed.
Didn’t Mourinho specifically state that Perisic (or his 4th signing) was a ‘wing-back’ not one who was going to compete with Martial or Rashford? Whether Perisic would’ve been a good one is an entirely different matter. I think the plan would’ve been to implement a back three a lot more often this season, should we have signed him.
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