Body looks distorted. Top half looks short. Looked like a hobbit coming on to be honest
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I'm not saying he'll need another 5 years, i'm saying there's a player in there and it would be a shame for us to lose him, and we'll ultimately regret it.
Danny Rose is injury prone, wouldn't be a sensible signing considering we'd still have the same problems that if Rose (if he signs) and Valencia get injured, the back up isn't adequate enough.
Well I fundamentally disagree with the way he has been managed. There's all this talk of his attitude problems and Mourinho throwing down the gauntlet but it's largely conjecture.
There's no way we can gauge Shaw's true level when he's restricted to a few minutes every couple of months. At this point I don't even care if we sell him but holding him back in the reserves is just harmful to everyone.
There was no meltdown when either of them two left.
In a few years from now he will be over 30 and we will continue repeating that sentece in this forum
A good few years!
I have that sinking feeling we will convince Pochetino to gives us Rose for Shaw and some doe. Then Pochetino will maximize his potential
This.
He was injured for the first couple of months of the season and it’s still October. He’s had opportunities and he’ll get more. He’ll need to do a lot more with them than he has so far. He could start by getting in fecking shape. He was blowing out his arse from start to finish (despite spending most of the game literally walking around the pitch) in the last U23 game he started. If he makes a balls of this, his final season to prove himself at United, then it’s on him.
I have no hope with shaw anymore.
This.
I get why lots of our fans feel sympathy for Shaw, cos he was playing well when he broke his leg. However, since he's been back he has not been particularly good. There could be tons of reasons for that. Still, even putting aside the rumours about how he behaves off the pitch, its for him to find form.
Lots of good players have come to United and left having failed to do here what they did elsewhere. It happens. If it does happen with Shaw it won't be all Mourinho's fault.
It's difficult to have a sensible discussion about him when stuff like this is regularly regurgitated on here.
It's also difficult for players to recover when their performances are always met with disproportionate criticism - he got hammered quite a few times on here last season for performances which were tentative at worst. There's definitely a contingent of posters who've already made their minds up about him.
It's not up to us to gauge his level. The manager and his staff see him every day at training, if Mourinho says that he's got to work harder then he obviously have to.
Wait, what? He's failing to recover because people on the Internet say bad things about him?
It isn't conjecture though. Literally every manager who has managed Shaw has mentioned either fitness or attitude problems.
He's also been at the club over 3 years. People claiming he has played well enough are having to cling to a run of about 5 games from over 2 years ago. Claiming he's been "Mismanaged" is conjecture as you have no idea how he has been managed or what his attitude or general day to day performance has been like.
Going by Mourinho's management of literally every other player in his squad, if Shaw had done well enough, he would have been given more chances.
In those 5 mins yesterday, he was almost world class.
If that's really the case, why would Mourinho pick him, put him in the squad and then bring him on, when he could have taken Young or another of the U23s?
Recover in terms of public opinion, as the rest of my post suggested. I'm sure the media scrutiny and social media don't help matters though.
Jamie Jackson, so take it with a pinch of salt. No quotes from Shaw either, just conjecture.
I defended him and I was all about him getting a chance to make the position for himself. Then after all the talk and stories and what not, you have to think something is wrong here. Other coaches have questioned him before and there must be something in it. He is the only specialist LB at the club, at the right age, playing for the biggest club in England and yet he finds himself in the position he is. I don't wish bad to the guy, but this team can't wait for nobody. We need a new LB as soon as possible.
Well, he had a whole game with the reserve last week and he did nothing during the game, what do you say about that @CM10 ? if he can't prove himself in a game against reserve and mostly under 23 players, why should Mourinho give him a chance in a cup tie.
Agreed. I’ve always liked Shaw but he definitely doesn’t seem to be determined enough to make it here. He’s still a lot younger than I thought so perhaps he’ll get another shot at it here but I wouldn’t be surprised if he moved on.
By the way, great level headed and reasonable response. I’ve seen so many pricks on here whinging and crying about players and performances when it’s just as easy to take a step back and comment on the situation like an adult.
Oh alright, didn't catch your drift there.
I think that the media and the public opinion as you say are/were rather lenient on Shaw overall due to his terrible leg break. First season he was not fit to play, he came off a good season at SOTON though so there was this benefit of a doubt, then there was the leg-break where there's been lots of empathy for him and rightfully so. The third season he should've finally kicked off but he didn't, again with his fitness being questioned and the fourth season he seems to have been even gash for the U23s, disinterested and all (going by what was commented on him here, there was a general disappointment with him).
The criticism had to finally catch up with him because when you look at it from the outside, it's the fourth year here, one completely out due to leg break but the other two he has just been average/shit in all fairness. From economical/financial point of view this guy's pretty much a disaster as there's currently no re-sale value whatsoever plus we're paying him for nothing.
What are you on about? If you didn’t watch him in his last appearance for the U23s then you should watch it before accusing people who did watch it of regurgitating anything. I watched the game. He was clearly very unfit. Anderson style. Which is bad for any player with aspirations of first team football and unforgiveable from someone who has so much to prove this season.
I really don’t understand how he can be so unfit. I presume he’s training every day with the first team. And presuming they’re monitoring his weight, body fat and heart rate during these sessions I can’t understand why more isn’t being done.
Even if your diet is a bit suspect you should still be able to get through an under 23 game at a decent pace. It’s all really strange.
Even if your diet is a bit suspect you should still be able to get through an under 23 game at a decent pace. It’s all really strange.
A game in which we conceded four goals, every single one of them either started or finished by players attacking down our left flank.
Thank you.
I'd rather it was for commenting on a better positive case, I seriously wanted him to succeed and it's a shame how it all penned out. I'm not yet sure myself, but after last night I think Jose has already decided.
If it was just for him looking unfit, it's all good (somehow). it just looked like he didn't give a shit at all and it's dissapointing because the position is for him to take, at least until january, we are playing with make-shift LBs from the begining of the season.
Exactly.
I'm so bored of the situation and annoyed at this chronic problem we're having at left back.
I have also watched u23 games and have to agree that Shaw looked neither fit nor eager. For a player that should be fighting tooth and nail for his career he doesn’t seem half arsed. Which is why I personally think he’s done here.
If he "fears" that his Utd career could be over, what is he going to do about it? Take wages and take the next exit or do much more to try to convince the manager that he is still useful? If he thinks he has tried his best and has still fallen short of the manager's expectation, then maybe he should go to someone who has lesser expectations from him
Looks clear to me.
Does the guy have ability? Yep
Does the guy have potential? Yep
Does the guy have the desire? Nope
You can have all the ability in the world but if you show a half ars*ed attitude and non application it wont get you anywhere.
Will be gone by next summer
Does the guy have ability? Yep
Does the guy have potential? Yep
Does the guy have the desire? Nope
You can have all the ability in the world but if you show a half ars*ed attitude and non application it wont get you anywhere.
Will be gone by next summer
So Mourinho's giving him the ol' heave-haw?
Any chance we sign an actual first choice LB once he goes? 'Cause these tired old eyes are sick of seeing failed wingers occupy FB positions. I have forgotten what it's like to have a FB who is good at being a FB...
What's Jamie Jackson's rep these days? I lose track of which journalists can be trusted and which ones are stirrers these days. Is Jackson a stirrer?
Have you forgotten all the 'has United lost its soul' threads when welbeck left?
Read his derpature thread too: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/danny-welbeck-arsenal-player.395928/
Plenty of other threads like that on here.
In a few years from now he will be over 30 and we will continue repeating that sentece in this forum
That's exactly what I think.
I admire how some fans are backing a player 100% - a player who has played about 10 good games in about 3.5 years. This guy is one of the worst buys we have ever made, given the high price tag. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a worse buy.
The problem I have with him is that unlike Memphis (who had the balls to tell Jose that he is not a bench warmer and if he can't get into the first team, he would like to leave), Shaw appears to have no confidence in his own ability.
if Shaw truly believes that he is a decent (EPL level) player, he should tell Jose to either play him or he must be sold to another club.
Even Perriera told Jose that he wants to go on loan, for 1st team football.
And regarding the "fat" comments. His body-fat may not be high, but he is carrying a lot of weight (muscle). More muscle, makes it more difficult to run. As a footballer, in 2017, you need to be slim, light and athletic, which Shaw clearly is not.
Are you saying that Jose is the one who sees him actually play in the training sessions, while none of us do, hence Jose knows Shaw's ability better than us?
How dare you speak sense.
Shaw has good pace and acceleration to be fair. He just looks a bit big and stocky compared to most players.
We'll always have those two months to begin 2015/2016 when he and Memphis both looked like they were starting a decade-long career on our left side.
Looks like He has started leaking stuff to the press, that article from sources close to the player screams like a dictation to make mourinho look like a big bad bully who is hurting shaw's feelings.With some players it just doesnt work, he may become world class at another club but i think he is done at united and if he ahs gone to the press well he is done as mou will take that as back stabbing. Look at what he did to casillias, This is just a fat kid in pyjamas
You can't hold on to potential forever, if a player is hardly ever fit enough to play and doesn't appear to have the drive to get in better shape and work hard to save his future there's only so long you can put up with that.
Let's not forget Mourinho isn't the first manager to question his attitude and fitness, both Van Gaal and Hodgson did too and from Hodgson's comments Pochettino did too. There's a common denominator here.
Could have been a great player and maybe he still will be, but he's coming up to a contract renewal soon and frankly hasn't done anything to warrant one and United need a quality solution to their LB problem now, not in 2-3 years time, and he's not able to provide that.
Let's not forget Mourinho isn't the first manager to question his attitude and fitness, both Van Gaal and Hodgson did too and from Hodgson's comments Pochettino did too. There's a common denominator here.
Could have been a great player and maybe he still will be, but he's coming up to a contract renewal soon and frankly hasn't done anything to warrant one and United need a quality solution to their LB problem now, not in 2-3 years time, and he's not able to provide that.
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