He's not a defensive midfielder but a solid attacking CM. Last season we spend too much time tippy tapping the ball around the opposition's penalty area without any real penetration (see the stats above), players like Wijnaldum & Mane would help in that regard.
Liverpool 2016/17 - Performance and chat thread.
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Look at the CBs playing for the possible top 6 clubs this season and tell me how many of those played in the PL before they arrived ? Exactly. So what on earth comparing him to Caulker means I have no idea.
He's arriving as emergency backup, will be #4 or #5 CB at the club and yet has played more games in the BL than ANY other player over the past 3 seasons. Plenty of experience, and he's just fulfilling his dream of playing in the PL so I think he'll be happy enough and won't be a disruptive influence when he doesn't get many games.
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Classic Rafateria with his usual stats to big up any Tom, Dick and Harry linked to Liverpool while dismissing any opinion which does not align with his own.
This was Rafateria's take on Balotelli (with usual stat attack):
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/balotelli-signs-for-liverpool-official.395096/page-14#post-16329795
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/balotelli-signs-for-liverpool-official.395096/#post-16293412
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/balotelli-signs-for-liverpool-official.395096/#post-16293398
This was Rafateria's take on Benteke (with usual stat attack):
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/christian-benteke-bbc-liverpool-agree-£32-5m-fee.406461/page-27#post-17802784
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/christian-benteke-bbc-liverpool-agree-£32-5m-fee.406461/page-27#post-17802816
Majority of people said that they both do not suit Liverpool, but he was having none of it & told them they know nothing.
Like bollocks I said they 'know nothing'. Stop fabricating and being a total arse. But I'm happy I was able to waste your time. And yes I was very wrong about Balotelli - he was a gamble as most people said. Benteke however suited Rodgers formation far more than Klopps so it's not surprise he's on his way out when Klopp came in at game #9 last season. He still didn't finish with poor stats - just not what was expected and he patently isn't suited to a pressing game.Classic Rafateria with his usual stats to big up any Tom, Dick and Harry linked to Liverpool while dismissing any opinion which does not align with his own.
This was Rafateria's take on Balotelli (with usual stat attack):
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/balotelli-signs-for-liverpool-official.395096/page-14#post-16329795
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/balotelli-signs-for-liverpool-official.395096/#post-16293412
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/balotelli-signs-for-liverpool-official.395096/#post-16293398
This was Rafateria's take on Benteke (with usual stat attack):
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/christian-benteke-bbc-liverpool-agree-£32-5m-fee.406461/page-27#post-17802784
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/christian-benteke-bbc-liverpool-agree-£32-5m-fee.406461/page-27#post-17802816
Majority of people said that they both do not suit Liverpool, but he was having none of it & told them they know nothing.
As history always tells us it is not indicator of the future. Especially when we are talking about individuals. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right .. but you can't dismiss facts just because you're touting a United fan's bias (as I am a Liverpool one - we wouldn't be fans otherwise would we).
N.B. I find it hilarious how you like to spend ages finding and dragging up old threads where I got it wrong (as if you or anyone else gets everything right). How about those where I got it right ? Like where I forecast RvP's demise after a great season and was howled down ?
Aye we need more goals not disputing that. Him starting or as a bench option once lallanas made them dizzy from turning in circles could be handy, but I want Dahoud in addition to this and Wijnaldum as a rotation option for any of the front options.
Oh and a LB to.
Don't worry it just takes less than one minute via search to find, considering the amount of times you've predicted things wrongly with your statistical analysis.
If you read the posts, you would observe how you dismiss every concern ("regarding the player or topic in discussion") as "a myth", "bit of a myth" followed by your usual stats. You don't even bother to look at the merits of your opponent's view. Here is another of your gems regarding no. of goals with fool-proof, factual analysis to back it up:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/liv...-scouse-nonsense.390932/page-54#post-16154988
Experience isn't merely playing games. He was part of a team in the lower end of BL. If you see his career most of his clubs were hardly anything better than midtable. He also doesn't seem to be highly rated to warrant an interest from any PL team. Also as he is 30, he hardly will improve.
So all in all, as I said, I'm confused why leave caulker and go for this guy. Or play a youth player.
Ha ha touche. However in my defence if you look at the figures they are not that outrageous .. tactically we just fell to pieces that season though.Don't worry it just takes less than one minute via search to find, considering the amount of times you've predicted things wrongly with your statistical analysis.
If you read the posts, you would observe how you dismiss every concern ("regarding the player or topic in discussion") as "a myth", "bit of a myth" followed by your usual stats. You don't even bother to look at the merits of your opponent's view. Here is another of your gems regarding no. of goals with fool-proof, factual analysis to back it up:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/liv...-scouse-nonsense.390932/page-54#post-16154988
Now they are being linked with Gary Medel. Klopp is throwing some real rubbish at the wall hoping some of it sticks.
I am starting to believe those Dortmund fans, who said the scouting, talent spotting and signing was handled primarily by Watzke and Co, because Klopp seems to be real bad at it on his own.
I am starting to believe those Dortmund fans, who said the scouting, talent spotting and signing was handled primarily by Watzke and Co, because Klopp seems to be real bad at it on his own.
Well let's be fair here ... Augsberg finished 8th in their first season up after promotion, then 5th with him playing the whole season and last season 12th (with EL commitments) so not exactly lower end of the BL at all is it. I don't think we are looking at him to 'improve' he is what he is, a stable, decent and experienced CB to act as our #4 or #5 CB. For that he seems perfectly suited. As for no other PL team interested in him .. what does that matter ? No one else was interested in Kante, or Vardy or Payet .... etc. etc. never mind a #4/5 squad CB.
ALBIE IN !!! ALBIE MUST STAY !!
Wijnaldum went 4 months without scoring last season.
He would have said the same about Gundogan, Reus, Kagawa, Kuba, Lewandowski, Hummels, Subotic, Schmelzer, Piszczek, Barrios, Aubameyang....
That´s the moments you appreciate the due diligence of fans. At least they wait with their assessment until they have watched a five minute highlight video of a 20 year old coming from the Serbian league. Carragher already knows him inside out, probably like he knew Barrios, Lewandowski and Aubameyang.
He would have said the same about Gundogan, Reus, Kagawa, Kuba, Lewandowski, Hummels, Subotic, Schmelzer, Piszczek, Barrios, Aubameyang....
That´s the moments you appreciate the due diligence of fans. At least they wait with their assessment until they have watched a five minute highlight video of a 20 year old coming from the Serbian league. Carragher already knows him inside out, probably like he knew Barrios, Lewandowski and Aubameyang.
Matip,Mane and Karius aren't unknown. Plus the Lativan CB. Im sure Carragher watches a lot of football.
That´s exactly what Klopp has done. He adressed the biggest weaknesses. Bought a new #1 GK. Bought a new starting CB. Bought a new young DM. Then he went out and got Mane, who is a different type of midfielder attacking player.
Obsessed .
We don't. There's more chance of our better players leaving us in that time, which is something that could easily develop into a perennial cycle. We should be aiming for a title challenge in the next couple of seasons - and it's definitely possible to build up a very good team in that time.
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Which is fine if those managers that are spending vast sums were still in the Bundesliga, or even La Liga. See it goes both ways. You're using Klopp's marvellous record against him because of the league he's from yet you're overrating other managers that have just come off the plane from exactly the same league. If the PL was just about spending big to win big then we might as well go home and take the title back from Leicester.
Since Mourinho has finished his 'easy' leagues and come back to England he's been smacked with finishing behind Brendan (not sure if point rammed home? Tell me if you've had enough) and then relegation, or nearly if only he had stayed. Of course you can revise this all you like but he was 'home'. Then he shat on his own doorstep. No one else did it, it was his shit. So now he's moved three houses down to a house that needs a full renovation and the Polish builders are p*ssing him about while they roll around in his money.
Pep in his first season in England needs to find out first hand what Stoke, Southampton, West Ham, etc are all about. You can watch all the videos you want but you don't really find out until you play them. Klopp and LvG have had this rammed into them, ergo Klopp is now a season ahead of Pep. Same goes for Conte when he realises (too late) that 0-0 draws in this country are actually losses and not a point gained. You park the bus, we park the bus - that's how Houllier and LvG were beaten into submission.
Bolded bit is not true imo. Mourinho won the league with Chelsea in his first ever season in the PL, Pellegrini did the same with City a couple of years ago. If you and your team are good enough, you're simply good enough.
Surely by that logic Mourinho should have walked it, with no Ferguson, on his first season back? Its the exception not the rule. Now, as mentioned above, the league is in a different dimension. Clubs from 1 - 10 are suddenly actually quite good and the top 5/6 all can't afford to finish outside the top 4. Yikes. Any advantage you have you take, that includes having been through the rough.
Next season, when Pep and Conte are accustomed and Mourinho has a settled team (i.e. no overpaid blouses like Rooney or Ibra forced on him), obviously my opinion will change. But we need to grab that top four this season or we could find that's it for us.
Did you have Toure who'd already played in the PL and was happy to be a 5th choice? If yes, then what's the point of spending 5m on a player whose profile isn't any better than Toure in fact if anything it's even worse and who'll be 31 soon when in Toure you didn't need to spend any money other than his wages? It'd have been understandable if Klopp got rid of Toure and signed a 'young, hungry' CB, which he's supposed to be doing if we're to believe Liverpool fans new tune, as his 5th choice CB. But he didn't.
Also saving a few millions on transfer fees isn't something to scoff at. For ex., 1m means you could pay ~25k/week more to another player for a year which nowadays makes a big difference. If you're after a higher profile player then offering 150k instead of 125k or 200k instead of 175k makes does make a difference.
Anyway, I hope you sign him in fact as a United fan I hope you blow your entire budget on Wijnaldum, Sissoko and Ragner
. Just like you hope we do it on Fellainis! So now it's us huh
!You've such a high number of shots/game is mainly because of Coutinho taking pot shots from literally anywhere and everywhere. I remember on RAWK once I read Couthino had over 80 shots for the 4 or 5 goals he scored at that time. Also Kane takes a lot of shots too.
We on the other hand, well had Mr. Philosophy LVG who'd rather keep the ball than score goals let alone taking pot shots! So I'd not be surprised if we're in the bottom 5 last season in terms of shots/game.
Leicester took 1.5 seasons of astute transfer activity.
Dahoud is not going anywhere this Summer. Maybe next. And he's not a DM but more of a playmaker. Couldn't agree more on the LB but Gomez is fine if he recovers and then improves on the form he showed early last season.
Sorry Gomez as LB
I couldn't agree more on keeping Toure - he virtually never let us down when called upon and was a majorly positive influence in training and on the other players. A lovely person. However I do get Klopp's decision, Toure is 35 and will be over 36 by the end of the season, Ragnar (great name if you love The Vikings !) is 30/31 (I forget). 4m is nothing today's market, we got that for an U21, so if this guy last 3-4 years as our #4/5 CB it's good value for money.Did you have Toure who'd already played in the PL and was happy to be a 5th choice? If yes, then what's the point of spending 5m on a player whose profile isn't any better than Toure in fact if anything it's even worse and who'll be 31 soon when in Toure you didn't need to spend any money other than his wages? It'd have been understandable if Klopp got rid of Toure and signed a 'young, hungry' CB, which he's supposed to be doing if we're to believe Liverpool fans new tune, as his 5th choice CB. But he didn't.
Also saving a few millions on transfer fees isn't something to scoff at. For ex., 1m means you could pay ~25k/week more to another player for a year which nowadays makes a big difference. If you're after a higher profile player then offering 150k instead of 125k or 200k instead of 175k makes does make a difference.
Anyway, I hope you sign him in fact as a United fan I hope you blow your entire budget on Wijnaldum, Sissoko and Ragner
So now it's us huh
You've such a high number of shots/game is mainly because of Coutinho taking pot shots from literally anywhere and everywhere. I remember on RAWK once I read Couthino had over 80 shots for the 4 or 5 goals he scored at that time. Also Kane takes a lot of shots too.
We on the other hand, well had Mr. Philosophy LVG who'd rather keep the ball than score goals let alone taking pot shots! So I'd not be surprised if we're in the bottom 5 last season in terms of shots/game.
Yes. Shots per goal was a failing for us last season but we still only finished 9 goals behind the top scorers in the league. We have a stronger attacking lineup this season (hoping Sturridge stays fit) so let's see if the efficiency improves or not.
It's where he was playing before he was injured - and his performances were universally praised, by Liverpool and United supporters on RC alike. Moreno's weakness is defending .. and isn't that the prime requisite for a full back ? Obvious;y it's not that simple but it's not like Gomez was poor going forward. We'll see in due course but I think that, like many young CBs, he'll do his time at FB before making the move to CB.Sorry Gomez as LB
Because Rodgers has played him there.....Ferguson has played Smalling and Jones as RB's too and both aren't RB's or shit RB's.
I rate Gomez that's not the problem and he would work well with Sakho as CB but he's not LB. If he plays as FB then on the right side.
Most young CBs start out as FBs since the majority of mangers won't trust such a key position to a youngster. Gomez is right footed and has experience of playing at RB, but played very well (better than Moreno - though that's not saying much) at LB too. Very versatile player who says he is trying to model himself on Ferdinand.
You should hope that's not the case, because the ban hammer would fall on you within minutes under RAWK style regime here.Not long now.
He got skinned playing full back at the Old Trafford. Gave away a stupid penalty too.
You should hope that's not the case, because the ban hammer would fall on you within minutes under RAWK style regime here.
Already did once. In 2001.
Here is true Geordie talking about Wijnaldum & telling us how he does not give a feck about him leaving. He says he only showed up for 5 games in the season, only when the ball was served on a plate for him (skip to 7:05).
I think the point is that gomez is that player and to leave a route open for him.
What Gomez is our for another 9 monthss
We might take the opinion of RAWK seriously if you start listening to True Geordie.
He's not.
I know the type of player he is and that profile of footballer is exactly what we need in the squad, also his defensive stats are pretty decent to, so he'd be excellent in a two man midfield with Can. Its an area of weakness and one of the things missing.
Gomez prior to joining us had never played a senior game in his life at LB. CB and RB sure but never LB. You might be right and Klopp might think hes good enough to play there, but the last few games he played at LB he was starting to look considerably more shaky which is understandable given he's not a natural LB. His attacking contribution was nada to. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say he's going to be a 5/6th choice CB for us and will play the early cup games maybe or fill in the FB positions in the case of an emergency. He has all the attributes to be a top CB we just need to let him recover and develop. He'll improve under Klopp and in a few seasons I think he'll maybe be a first choice CB. Have to remember hes only what 18/19? Most CB's dont hit there peaks till there late 20's and even the exceptional prospects are still only 22/23 ish before they really start to make there mark.
That was one of the initial reports. Thankfully the damage was far less than thought and he'll only be out for a month or two.
5th/6th CB is a great way to isolate a young player and ensure they don't progress from lack of games/learning experiences. Most young CBs start their careers as FB or DM (e.g. Carra but also Zouma, Chambers etc. etc.) until deemed strong enough and experienced enough to be trusted with such a key position. Gomez' versatility gives him an edge in that respect in that he can comfortably play at LB, RB or even CB if required (I thought he was, for the greater part, excellent in his games at LB, which is why he continued there until his injury).