They might get a good wedge but they're never going to get anywhere if they keep shipping out their top players just to make room for a new one. They need to keep the likes of Coutinho, Firmino and Mane, and add to them with further quality. It should be players like Lucas, Sturridge, Ings, Can, Klavan, and Moreno that they ship (not all of them at once, mind), and bring in some proper quality to supplement the decent players they've already got.
Liverpool 2016/17 - Performance and chat thread.
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They might get a good wedge but they're never going to get anywhere if they keep shipping out their top players just to make room for a new one. They need to keep the likes of Coutinho, Firmino and Mane, and add to them with further quality. It should be players like Lucas, Sturridge, Ings, Can, Klavan, and Moreno that they ship (not all of them at once, mind), and bring in some proper quality to supplement the decent players they've already got.
You're also the team that conceded the most goals, and the two are related with you. You concede a lot because you need to be extra attacking in order to score those many goals. With a Lewandowski up top, maybe you would have scored a few less but you would have conceded a lot less, too
You need players who fit Klopp's playing style, yes, but as always, if you want to win the big stuff(PL, CL), you need top quality players. You're not winning either with another lallana and firmino
would you think Lucas, Studge & Sakho are probably heading out? Maybe Woodburn & Grujic into the team more regularly? (Trent A-A too)
quite a lot of transfer business needed to up the numbers to the necessary level though
quite a lot of transfer business needed to up the numbers to the necessary level though
I hope Sturridge leaves, but we should keep Sakho & Lucas for squad depth (Sakho is better than Klavan). We'd be alright for CBs then, and would only really need a high quality LB to give us a strong first choice defence.
Again agreed. Baby steps. Let's get the squad filled with decent quality first before even thinking bigger.
Getting that CL spot, if we get it, should help. No CL will see us fecked in the transfer window as mid tier players won't be interested either.
I have doubts about his ability to adapt to life in England, and about his price, but if those those issues work out well, Belotti would be the perfect signing for you. He'd take you up a level
Sakho has no chance. If he did he'd be in the current squad. He's at Palace to advertise his ability not for match practice.
I agree with this broader point but I don't think you have been watching Lallana and Firmino enough. Both have been excellent (particularly Firmino) and neither are responsible for the flaws in the current squad - which is primarily a matter of depth.
Disagree. I think it's as much a matter of quality as it is depth. Next season you'll have CL too, and it's one more season for opponents to study you and suss you out. You're not winning either the PL of CL with firmino playing as a false 9, unless you get a genuine reliable game-winner on one of the other forward positions.
Mind, there's also the chance of Coutinho and/or Mane developing into that
Both have an FA cup semi final to look forward to.Arsenal? No wait... City? Ah I give up
It was sensible until this. Now it seems like I've ruffled your feathers.
Southampton have got 25 players for you lot to pick from...
Gonna be an exciting Summer for you!
Being heavily linked with Van Djik and Naby Keita of Leipzig. Would be a good start to the summer.
Van Djik please. :P
Heh, Bertrand, Van Dijk and Romeu(backup for henderson) would be good signings for 'pool
Think they'd be good for any top 6 sides in fact. Not necessarily as starters
Long? Probably not. He's a January 'filler' signing. Plus, Danny Ings would probably fulfill the 4th choice front man.
Would be surprised if Ings is anywhere near the same player he was prior to his 2 serious injuries. Been out of the game for a long time now. The Premier League is a tough enough place for players who are firing on all cylinders let alone those who are making a return after a long time out. I think he'll end up in The Championship before too long.......Hopefully not with us though
Heh, Bertrand, Van Dijk and Romeu(backup for henderson) would be good signings for 'pool
Think they'd be good for any top 6 sides in fact. Not necessarily as starters
Would sort out our shaky defence in an instant. Offer Sakho + £30m for the lot and we're laughing.
Sakho & Coutinho OUT !!! = No Need for Fenway to Spend Any Money
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What about... van Dijk, Sessegnon (Fulham), Billing (Huddersfield), Markovic (already yours) and a LB who isn't Moreno - TAA, Woodburn, Grujic go in too
couple of cheap seasoned old pros - or keep Clogger Lucas as was suggested above
trying to think of a (top) striker with the work-rate & ability not to get injured to rotate with Firmino & Origi in essence isn't it? (Walcott, - for the pace)
be phenomenally young looking but Kloppo likes that doesn't he?
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What about... van Dijk, Sessegnon (Fulham), Billing (Huddersfield), Markovic (already yours) and a LB who isn't Moreno - TAA, Woodburn, Grujic go in too
couple of cheap seasoned old pros - or keep Clogger Lucas as was suggested above
trying to think of a (top) striker with the work-rate & ability not to get injured to rotate with Firmino & Origi in essence isn't it? (Walcott,
- for the pace)be phenomenally young looking but Kloppo likes that doesn't he?
They'll go all out for Vardy in the summer. He'd probably do well for them actually in the high press system, plus he can certainly finish
aye Vardy, thought I was missing something fairly obvious in the striker department during my earlier musings
how much would you pay for Vardy? - I think he would be good for them.
how much would you pay for Vardy? - I think he would be good for them.
Wouldn't mind that cnut playing for them. Might give them 2 good seasons and then once his pace goes that'll be that.
You are absolutely right. Liverpool have become a selling club, much like Arsenal at the beginning of their decline - when they lost Petit, Overmars, Cole, Sagna, Clichy, RVP, etc and replaced them with average players.
Liverpool's loss of prestige in recent years, due to being non-contenders, out of Europe, and lacking financial strength, has been a key factor behind the repeated loss of players like Suarez, and there is no doubt that they won't be able to hold on to Coutinho. Any player with ambitions of playing at the top level and challenging for trophies will not be willing to remain at Liverpool for long. They've become a stepping-stone club.
This could've all been very different had they won the title under Brendan Rodgers. That season was an inflexion point. A one off chance to change their destiny and be regarded as a real top club, but they bottled it, or should I say Gerrard bottled it. How ironic - Gerrard may have single handedly caused Liverpool to fall into a spiral of stagnation that they aren't ever likely to get out of, unless they are funded by a billionaire.
He's going to be like a Suarez-lite, won't he?
Chases down - Check
Presses - Check
Can score goals - Check
Nutter - Check
Racist sayings - Check
Genuinely think he'd be perfect for Liverpool for a couple of seasons. So much so that I hope you don't get him.
I can see Klopp going back to the Bundesliga for a few of his Summer signings. It's a league he knows and the players in that league would be more open to playing for him I think. Plus when you add in the fact that Matip has been a success that will probably encourage doing that which I don't think is a bad idea. There is plenty of excellent players in that league who would make a difference for you.
Coutinho won't leave in the summer because he simply isn't good enough for one of the bigger clubs yet. He's still fairly young as well so has time on his side.
Suarez was always going to leave regardless of whether we won the league or not that season. Suarez leaving led to us struggling the next season. Gerrard slipping had no impact on Suarez going to Barcelona.
This spiral of stagnation you're on about started in 2009 with the sale of Alonso and Benitez not being able to adapt. After that it's a mix of poor management and rubbish transfers.
If we finish in the top four this season doesn't that indicate we might be moving in the right direction?
Agree with this. I'd rather qualify for the CL by winning the EL than finishing 3rd/4th in the PL. Not that I'll be disappointed if we do of course. Both clubs will have had good seasons.
We are the PL's top scorers so I'm not sure where the 'quality' issue is that you refer to. Similarly in defence with Matip & Lovren, unbeaten when playing together (though I'm not convinced by Lovren sometimes unlikely successful partnerships can develop). Over is it ca. 15 matches ?
LB, CB, CM (Henderson has now proven he is too injury prone to be relied upon going forward) and the chatter is Naby Keita is our #1 target. Whilst he would be a dream signing he may well end up beyond our reach. Another psuedo winger (Julian Brandt ?) and at least one more striker (maybe two depending on what happens with Ings). That's five but I'd expect more like 10 inbound with Lucas (probably), Sakho and Moreno at the very least on their way out.
We can improve both the 'first team' (if there is such a beast nowadays) and the squad (by dropping players like Henderson and Milner down into it) whilst bulking it out and I'm looking forward to a very interesting Summer. The budget is surely large and available after last season's negative spend.
Mignolet (Karius)
Clyne (TAA) - Matip (Lovren) - Christensen (Klavan) - Milner (X)
Lallana (Grujic) - Tielemans (Wijnaldum) - Henderson (Can)
Mane (Zaha) - Firmino (Origi) - Coutinho (Brandt)
Bold marked are the additions. Would probably cost around €75-80M net after selling Sakho/Sturridge. Better to add quality than quantity. Imho it´s better to be very good in 7-8 positions than good in 11 positions. Fix the rest a year later.
Clyne (TAA) - Matip (Lovren) - Christensen (Klavan) - Milner (X)
Lallana (Grujic) - Tielemans (Wijnaldum) - Henderson (Can)
Mane (Zaha) - Firmino (Origi) - Coutinho (Brandt)
Bold marked are the additions. Would probably cost around €75-80M net after selling Sakho/Sturridge. Better to add quality than quantity. Imho it´s better to be very good in 7-8 positions than good in 11 positions. Fix the rest a year later.
I'd be disappointed with that. Going into a new season with Milner still at LB, displacing Wijnaldum but not Hendo as a first team player (I guess he is captain, meh), and buying no obvious upgrade for the forward line?
I want a striker & LB at least.
Henderson was very good until injury. His contribution was very important as a platform for some excellent team performances.
The front three/six are still the best attack in the PL. The problem is that there is no sufficient cover for any of them in the squad. The subs are not even close to the starters. Adding Tielemans, Zaha and Brandt would help in that regard, especially with international football next season. It´s actually amazing that Liverpool have grinded out some results without Lallana, Mane and Henderson. The offensive talent is a bit shocking right now, outside of Firmino and Coutinho.
I´m not saying no to van Dijk, Keane or further upgrades to the defense. I just think there is a lot of room for internal growth on the team defense. Some of the goals conceded are just idiotic and a result of inviting pressure. Midfield and attack need some stronger options that can push the starters, shield the defense a bit better and convert on the counter.
I don't disagree, I just think Gini has been very good for us also, and that upgrading him over Hendo isn't clear-cut at all for me.
I'd much rather us buy upgrades/competition & move certain players onto the bench than buy backups only for a front three because they're capable right now. Sure it runs the risk of alienating those involved, but continuing with the same three whenever & wherever we can also has its risks.
We might have to play Joe Gomez on Sunday. Klopp has said today that Klavan, Lucas and Matip have all missed training with muscle injuries.
Lallana will be back in full training next week, Henderson might not play again this season.
Lallana will be back in full training next week, Henderson might not play again this season.
Do you really think those players will come to sit on the bench?
Liverpool need to strengthen their shoddy defence as a priority in the summer.
That's just been highlighted again with our only good defender, Matip, being out yet again. We need two top class defenders and for that we'll need to throw money at it. I would go £80m for VDV and one other. Chelsea and Spurs showing why a good CB pair cover a multitude of sins.
Can't rely on Matip at all next season. He had injury issues before he came and nothing has changed since.
The lad from Hull could be a good shout or Mawson?
There will be plenty of minutes to go around, with European football next year. Can started 21 games. Origi started 10 games. Leiva started 9 games. Sturridge started 5 games. Factor in at least 8-10 extra European games, and a chance to rotate in Dec./Jan. to prevent the fatigue trap. Everybody in midfield&attack can easily get to 20 starts without factoring in a major injury. Liverpool needs more depth. They have one midfield back-up in Can for three positions (Lallana/Wijnaldum/Henderson) and again one attacking back-up in Origi for three positions (Coutinho/Firmino/Mane). I´d say the rest of the top 6 has much better bench depth all around. To me Liverpool´s defensive issues are more complex than the individual class of the defenders or how do you explain that they can protect a lead against all the top 7 teams, but they always invite pressure and cannot against all the smaller teams.