The challenge for the penalty was unbelievably stupid, but for the first Arsenal goal Moreno was not at fault at all, contrary to how it felt.
Still, the guy is a severe liability.
Still, the guy is a severe liability.
Liverpool 2016/17 - Performance and chat thread.
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Josè will have a plan for them don't worry about that. When Liverpool were starting off games at an unreal pace under Rodger's in 13/14 José sent his Chelsea team to Anfield with the job of killing the game from the first whistle.
They purposely wasted time in the opening minutes to stop the crowd getting excited and into the game. Chelsea barely got out of their own half but just kicking the ball out of play, conceding free kicks in the middle of the park, slowly taking throws and goal kicks all frustrated Liverpool.
If Liverpool want us to attack them and leave space for them to use their pace on the break, then I think José will counter that by sitting deep and frustrating them again.
Does anyone else think Klopp is a bit cringeworthy? Tries to fit in too much. All the massively OTT celebrating and glasses flying off just seems a little staged.
I have seen him for the past 10 or 12 years. He is what he is. You may like him or not, but he is real. I'm saying that as a Bayern fan, who sometimes liked to punch him in the face, especially in 2011 and 2012 when he ridiculed us with his club. But after those successful years he took losing like man as well. That's what I respect about him.
So funny to see Klopp being questioned on his personality for the same reasons people loved him while he was at Dortmund. He doesn't seem fake to me at all. Looks completely genuine.
Maybe it's the British idea of "no emotions please", which is in fact pretty similar to us Germans. Anyway, Klopp doesn't care. He is Klopp, i.e. unique.
Possibly. But I'm saying he was pretty unanimously liked here for his personality. Now people are questioning whether it's genuine or not. Can't be anything to do with being Liverpool manager, of course.
Nah he's like a real fan on the pitch and gets properly into it. It's perfectly fine. Would take that over Van Gaals sitting down and not even reacting to a goal every day. Mourinho is another who also loves a good goal celebration. It gets the players and fans amped up too I'm sure and adds to the atmosphere. Obviously sucks he's managing Liverpool, but I reckon the annoyance is just that it's a liverpool manager and not liking them is something that just happens
It's a solid point, but you shouldn't simply rely on outscoring the competition. I don't think any team has ever won the league using that doctrine.
The team that wins the league needs the ability to win the odd ugly game where they're not the best team on the day. If you rely on outscoring everyone week on week you're never going to pick up the ability to win the odd game 1-0 at the sharp end of the season.
A little. But he loses pretty graciously and generally gives credit where it's due. Even if it comes a day or so after a result at times.
If he celebrated success that aggressively and was a bad loser I could dislike him. As it is, I like him.
I think he's currently a better manager than Poch and Conte so I'm glad he's at a club that can't back him financially the way that Chelsea or City could. (Or Arsenal but that's another story).
I said all throughout pre season that Liverpool will challenge for the title this year and yesterdays performance shows I may not be wrong about that prediction.
Fair play to them that second half performance is the best Ive ever seen from any domestic Arsenal opponent at the emirates.
Fair play to them that second half performance is the best Ive ever seen from any domestic Arsenal opponent at the emirates.
They were very good, but you were quite weakened and not really match-ready. Theme with Arsenal as you've lost the opening game to much worse teams than this Liverpool side in recent years.
Okay it was only one game but i have made a bit of money with that bet against Arsenal and i guess that will happen many times this seasonand concede many goals too.
Over 2.5 goals will be a great bet
Pretty sure I remember a Sherwood led Villa winning 3-1 at the Emirates on opening day a few years back.
I like how direct Liverpool are sometimes.
Attacking wise, they were fine against an awful defence.....The best goal they scored came from an individual effort, where no one tackled the cnut.
Any decent team would walk through that midfield and defence. They conceded three goals against an horrendous Arsenal side..It's nothing to be proud of
We put 8 past a shit Arsenal side and were fecking horrible to watch after
Any decent team would walk through that midfield and defence. They conceded three goals against an horrendous Arsenal side..It's nothing to be proud of
We put 8 past a shit Arsenal side and were fecking horrible to watch after
They looked good. Well, not in defence obviously but I'd hardly expect a team with Moreno in it to be able to defend anyway.
No Europe and that bit longer they've had to adjust to Klopp will be big boosts for them this season. Top four finish, I think. Which in effect will likely count as some sort of title challenge.
No Europe and that bit longer they've had to adjust to Klopp will be big boosts for them this season. Top four finish, I think. Which in effect will likely count as some sort of title challenge.
And just think what ye would have finished on had ye been a bit tighter at the back? In tight games it's no good to ye. It was a big factor of Leicesters title run in also for instance. But at least if he get a left back in, that will be a drastic improvement
They were turd in the first half but excellent in the second (in attack).
Really good result to start the season but I think we'll see them oscillate between extremes a fair bit this season.
Really good result to start the season but I think we'll see them oscillate between extremes a fair bit this season.
Possibly right. Klopp's teams are all or nothing to some extent. They're set up to cause chaos and overpower the opposition. When this works it's devastating (see first 20 minutes of second half yesterday). But it's high risk and can lead to a deluge of goals in both directions.
I do believe that his philosophy is geared towards spoiling the opposition's game plan, especially if said opposition is filled with better players. Which is why he's spent his managerial career beating "better" teams quite regularly.
Good description, it's basically an underdog style. The other side of the story is that well organised, "weaker" opponents defending deep can cause trouble for a Klopp team, because they expose their relative weakness in possession play.
Are there many PL teams that can be expected to defend that way (on a decent level)?
Kind of felt the same to be honest. They have very mobile forwards and against such a poor defence it would have been criminal if they didn't score at least two goals.
I enjoyed the goals they scored though and Mane's was a fantastic run with a sweet finish but you have to be young and naive to not immediately think (of the Arsenal defenders) 'there's fecking two of you! and you're already 3-1 down, bin him!"
Good game for the neutral though all the same.
Chelsea may have such an approach. In pre-season when Liverpool played Chelsea Conte basically set them up to defend in numbers.
Arguably the best goal followed about 25 passes, excellent movement and a brutal finish from Coutinho. Mane's goal was excellent but I think the former will be more representative of Luverpool's approach play this season.
Some OTT reactions in thread, which is to be expected after their display yesterday but folks shouldn't be surprised. 90 percent of their XI weren't involved with the International football during the summer and likes of Clyne and Henderson didn't play much for England. Of all the contenders, they are best prepared given they played 10 games in preseason so of course they are going to look much sharper than the rest. Their early fixtures are tough so the extra preparation which has gone during preseason might work in their favor while others are still struggling for form.
Given their brand of high octane direct football, results and performances like yesterday will inevitably follow during the coming weeks and months but whether they can churn out these performances on a consistent basis is where the question mark lies. So, I would be reserved about making claims of title challenge when there are questions about consistency and also clear deficiency in the squad especially in defence.
Given their brand of high octane direct football, results and performances like yesterday will inevitably follow during the coming weeks and months but whether they can churn out these performances on a consistent basis is where the question mark lies. So, I would be reserved about making claims of title challenge when there are questions about consistency and also clear deficiency in the squad especially in defence.
Not sure if Mustafi will choose them ahead of Arsenal. Also not really sure how much money they have to spend.
Can you show your workings? I am struggling to reach 10% with Mignolet, Clyne, Henderson, Lallana and Coutinho all involved in international tournaments this summer.
If I could give you a guarantee of 86 points at the end of this season I'm pretty sure you'd take it. irrespective of how you actually achieved it. I'd love to see us winning games 4-0 or 4-1 (if only for my poor heart's sake), but sometimes there has to be a trade off. & in our case having 6 or 7 players in the final third of the field leaves us vulnerable to the counter attack. With the exception of Moreno I don't think it's a matter of not having the right personnel at the back but more a case of Klopp wanting us to camp out in the opposition half, which leaves us wide open in our half for long periods.
No-one can say that it's impossible to win titles by playing the way we do because United under Ferguson won at least 2 despite conceding a large number of goals (1997 - 49 goals & 2000 - 45 goals). & we put in a very strong title challenge 2 years ago because we gained a lot more points thanks to our attack as opposed to losing points because of our defence.
Who knows, if we make good progress this season & get a mid 70's points total, which would probably see us gain a top 4 spot, then maybe our gaffer might tweak things a bit for next season by not having us so gung-ho. After all, iirc his Dortmund side had a fairly solid back 4.
I was very impressed with them... you just hope that Mane and Countiho decide to blow cold as often as they blow hot, when they both play like they did yesterday, Liverpool will be a match for anyone.
LFC were terrible 1st half and then let Arse back in the game after a 20min purple patch of admittedly very nice footy, inc. 2 excellent goals. But let's not get carried away about the overall level of performance. Talk about the potential, if you like, seems fairer to me in the scheme of things.
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Thought our CBs actually coped really well yesterday - weren't directly at fault for any of the goals. After Arsenal's third we didn't give them a sniff, which was good to see.
I'd prefer to focus on some of our attacking play. Fluid, pacy and incisive; that 20 minute spell was reminiscent of peak Dortmund and something that could really take us far in the league this season. Not every team will be able to hurt us like Arsenal did at the other end of the pitch either.
Also, it looks like this could be the year Coutinho finally decides to step up to the next level and bum the league.
I'd prefer to focus on some of our attacking play. Fluid, pacy and incisive; that 20 minute spell was reminiscent of peak Dortmund and something that could really take us far in the league this season. Not every team will be able to hurt us like Arsenal did at the other end of the pitch either.
Also, it looks like this could be the year Coutinho finally decides to step up to the next level and bum the league.
Four goals against Arsenal's fourth and fifth choice CB. Three goals conceded against a poor Arsenal attack. Yeah I'm not that impressed.
They looked similar to last season in that they have periods when they look very dangerous and periods when they look bang average. It is consistency they will need to find to really challenge and for me they do not have it.
Dunno if I'm arguing or agreeing with ShadesofTomato here, but I was quite surprised every time Arsenal scored, tbh. Apart from when the ball went 'you know where' in the LFC defensive 1/3, obvs. Brilliant goal by Mane wasn't it? Awesome pace too, hope he doesn't play like that all the time, .
.Always been a real issue with us, consistency.
We have the ability to challenge for the title no doubt about it. Sometimes we put in absolute class performances. We just can't seem to do it enough...
Yeah sorry omg they are gonna win the title, BESTEST TEAM IN THE WORLD. WE. ARE. WORRIED.
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