Liverpool 2016/17 - Performance and chat thread.
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Letting a rival put 28 passes together before scoring a goal in your backyard. Arsenal are a joke.
Well, he was celebrating in the way he always has, passionately and almost like a child, his glasses dropped off and apparently it was deliberate...
I very much like this idea that Klopp stages the falling-off of the glasses & will be monitoring the situation closely from now on. I also hate that look-at-me white tracksuit top he wears for the night games. I am so pleased that our new Boss is a paragon of virtue & cool calm demeanour under pressure. And of course, he is world renowned for wearing nice sensible coats & tasteful jackets.
So what's this I hear about us not signing a left-back. Surely we need one!
So what's this I hear about us not signing a left-back. Surely we need one!
We haven't been linked with anyone strongly since Chilwell. Maybe he is thinking of playing Milner there now he is fit again.
Rumour we have also turned down another bid by Palace for Benteke.
Apparently we've turned down £30m from Palace for Benteke
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37094111
I'm all for playing hardball & getting maximum value out of a player, but it's late in the window and queues aren't queuing up with similar offers to sign him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37094111
I'm all for playing hardball & getting maximum value out of a player, but it's late in the window and queues aren't queuing up with similar offers to sign him.
Apparently we've turned down £30m from Palace for Benteke
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37094111
I'm all for playing hardball & getting maximum value out of a player, but it's late in the window and queues aren't queuing up with similar offers to sign him.
True but the payment structure isn't what we want apparently , guess it's a tough one but the club are not letting any players leave cheap and why should they.
If they want him badly they need to pay the full £30m or so.
£23m plus £7m add on's I guess isn't what we are looking for.
The bid may even have been lower up front than the last one, they have the Bolasie cash so they need to stump up or shut up.
James Pearce @JamesPearceEcho 37m37 minutes agoApparently we've turned down £30m from Palace for Benteke
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37094111
I'm all for playing hardball & getting maximum value out of a player, but it's late in the window and queues aren't queuing up with similar offers to sign him.
Benteke would have had to win Wimbledon, the British Grand Prix and MasterChef for the £7million worth of add-ons to be triggered. #LFC
Some impressive debuts (bloody hell they display large - sorry about that !) :
What happened to Gomez?So what's this I hear about us not signing a left-back. Surely we need one!
Bad injury last season while on England duty. Around the same time Ings got hurt.
Thats about a year ago. Was it ligaments and when is Ings likely to return?
Yeah it was a knee injury if I remember right.
Ings is playing U23 football to get back to proper match fitness. Could see him in the next few weeks.
Ings is playing U23 football to get back to proper match fitness. Could see him in the next few weeks.
He was starting pre-season training and got a new injury to his achilees, might be out for a few weeks yet.
I'm not sure how you can say Klavan was impressive seeing as you conceded three goals. Certainly nothing on Bailly's debut.Some impressive debuts (bloody hell they display large - sorry about that !) :
I reckon Klopp would be willing to work with Ings. Decent pace, decent goal scorer and high work rate.
What's Bailly playing against a weaker side got to do with Klavan's debut? Who wasn't responsible for any of our goals anyway.
Well those stats for starters and then adding in consideration for where the goals originated - two had nothing to do with him and the opener was clearly a combination of Lallana & Moreno fecking up. You can't blame Ragnar for that, though he tried to get a block in once Walcott was in on goal.
Bournemouth's attack vs. Arsenal's .... let me consider that for a moment. Now which is more dangerous, impressive .. this might take a while.
Weaker side? It was Arsenal Under 12s wasn't it? No first team players and 11 young debutants.
So you can't compare debuts because they're playing different teams? Arsenal's attack was a bit shite really, you conceded goals you shouldn't have.
Sorry, those stats are supposed to be impressive or.. ?
You can but I don't see the point as we played against different opposition.
Arsenal's attack was better than what United faced. Hence I don't see how it can be an accurate comparison, at least not yet.
Over the course of the season Bailly may well prove to be the better player, but he did cost over £30m more, and we don't know yet whether Ragnar will be selected regularly.
You are right we conceded unnecessary goals but none were directly because of Ragnar.
I think Bailly looks pretty decent and will only get better, but he will need to learn quickly as I can see him picking up a lot of cards and suspensions.
I've re-posted this over here Robin. I think it's where you meant it to be
I've no doubt whatsoever that Matip is Klopp's #1 in defence and the fact that he is better at both heading and blocking than Lovren means this is no surprise. Even more so is that Matip is very cultured and confident bringing the ball out of defence, something Lovren has improved at but one would not put him in the same class. The slot alongside Matip is up for grabs when all are fit it could be any from Lovren, Sakho, Ragnar or long term even Gomez. However on current form Ragnar fits it like a glove, cool, unruffled, excellent positioning (something we are always criticising our CBs for in recent times) and also good in the air and on the floor (was #2 in the BL last season for blocking, Matip was #1).
Klopp has said time and again that he doesn't play with a DM so we can forget that notion. Hence the continued links to Dahoud, a strong tackler and mobile but his true strength lies even more as an excellent distributor. Maybe not this window so we'll have to struggle through for now, but again I think sooner or later Klopp will get him (or one of his ilk).
Up front I prefer Coutinho central and Wijnaldum is better on the left, however if you are squeezing Firmino into the team as well then he tracks back into midfield better than Coutinho and plays Klopp's pressing game better than anyone bar Lallana. Coutinho at least can cut in from the left though I do think he's partly wasted there. So for me you have to choose 4 from 7 (Mane, Sturridge, Firmino, Coutinho, Wijnaldum, Origi, Lallana) for those 4 forward positions with Can+1 behind. Nice problem to have in attack.
LB - I just pray that we get a serious LB in before the window closes. But I'm beginning to doubt it will happen. In which case I'd take Milner over Moreno unless we are playing Burnley or the like.
If he's fit I'd have Sturridge up front but Firmino is obviously a Klopp favourite because he fits his ideal of a team player to a T .... and Sturridge doesn't. In which case you can see a Klopp team with Wijnaldum left, Coutinho centre and Firmino as a false 9. However from what we have in the squad at the moment, my first team (even though I recognise it's a squad game nowadays) until we find a new LB .....
Karius
Clyne Matip Ragnar Milner
Can Henderson
...........................................................(or Wijnaldum or Grujic - none are perfect alongside Can)
Mane Firmino Coutinho
Sturridge
Clyne Matip Ragnar Milner
Can Henderson
...........................................................(or Wijnaldum or Grujic - none are perfect alongside Can)
Mane Firmino Coutinho
Sturridge
LFC had 8 shots on target from within Arsenal's 18 yard box on Sunday. The most any team has had in the last 10 years v Arsenal
Bit of a moot stat if they had Holding and Chambers as centre backs.
Wow! That's brilliant. You must be odds on for the 'most shots on target in your opponents 18 yard box' title. Well done.
I don't think they are comparable. Bailly was bought for £30m as one of the most promising defenders in La Liga and perhaps even Europe, Klavan was a bargain bin cheap deal to cover for the loss of mediocre Skrtel and Toure. I don't think Klavan was directly responsible for goals either, you can have a perfectly good defensive performance and your team will still concede.
Why is there a need to quote this many meaningless statistics for fans? Things like that get dictated by so many weird factors and mean absolutely nothing in the grand scheme.
It's just this seasons 'hitting the post most times' statistic.
You do know it's more important to have more shots in your opponents box and hit the post more, than actually winning games?
In fairness I don't think he's using the stat to defend anything. Its just an exciting start of the season or Liverpool fans, and we'd probably be sharing the same sort of stat had we played a big fixture and won.
Well, it's nice to see some attacking intent. You all should know what having 0 shots on target in the first half is like. :P
Matip was heralded as being a key man for them in defence this season. Where's he?
You also have to question any manager who goes in to the season with Moreno as his starting left back. There's time left but it nearly already cost them dearly.
You also have to question any manager who goes in to the season with Moreno as his starting left back. There's time left but it nearly already cost them dearly.
They've got such a small side (CB excluded).
Obviously not exploited by Arsenal (well, one goal from a set piece I suppose), but would expect us and other PL sides to annihilate them at set pieces and crosses.
Obviously not exploited by Arsenal (well, one goal from a set piece I suppose), but would expect us and other PL sides to annihilate them at set pieces and crosses.
To be honest we could have the tallest team in the PL every week and we'd still concede at set pieces to the likes of Aguero and Mata. Our brains just aren't designed to read what a free kick taker is about to do and adjust accordingly. We just have to counter that by ensuring we give as few free kicks away while outscoring most teams.
Matip got injured in pre-season, not yet fully fit to start.
It's still interesting to some though I agree that there are many factors involved. Still, that's probably in the region of 250+ matches (all competitions considered) so worthy of note.
You can use that for eternity as your reasoning for the goals, as if there wasn't another 9 Arsenal players on the pitch.
Because it's an interesting stat for some. Maybe not for you lot but whatever !
Other players will not have the same impact on shot on targets within the area as Chambers and Holding because they are specifically the two players who are supposed to prevent them.
Not really. A team would tend to have more chances in the box when the opponent has 3 CBs out injured. The circumstances Arsenal played under hardly makes the stat impressive.