I reckon Moreno's probably stood on his hand
this Lovren story is very likely some kind of a smokescreen
this Lovren story is very likely some kind of a smokescreen
Liverpool 2016/17 - Performance and chat thread.
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Lovren, gift that keeps on giving.
He's been great under Klopp in fairness.
Yeah, no doubting that. But he is a bit of a prick. Made a mess about not being subbed on during Euro preparation, was preparing to come on but the NT coach didnt put him in. Made a fuss about it on social media, acted like a jerk and didnt go to Euro cause of that. He even said something like Klopp doesnt do it like that. We even didnt miss him much even though he's arguably our best CB. Anyway I dont like him much.
FFS Liverpool. And our lot were worried we weren't playing enough matches.
You kind of do need the matches, to integrate the players, get those muscle memory back, and also to familarise yourself with the tactics. Especially so since you all have a new manager and some high-profile new players. What you don't want, as Mourinho has said, are injuries.
A couple more weeks and Karius will have become the best GK in the world.
i'm just watching skysports and this list of their ins and outs came up.... so i had a google of their squad.... and i the only one who is looking at thier side and thinking they don't look any more then a midtable side?
i have a lot of time for klopp, but unless he works miracles i can't see them getting in a million miles of the top 4.
i have a lot of time for klopp, but unless he works miracles i can't see them getting in a million miles of the top 4.
You don't think someone like Mane can come into our sqaud and be an improvement on certain attacking players we had/have like Lallana or Ibe? I don't know, it has been an odd transfer window for us in the sense that we have made decent signings but we haven't strengthened enough. I think realistically we can aim for a top 4 place but I think we will come short. But Klopp might do wonders with the squad in which case anything is possible. 1 game a week may help as well.
their front 4 are a threat & can put away the inferior sides, imo (on paper anyway) but the defending was characterised by individual errors, attack & defence don't seem all that cohesive, don't even seem to make one team unit unless you hype up Can's influence & prowess. Major weapon for Klopp last year was building up the home atmosphere & momentum from winning Cup games. This year's start is tough for them. Win a couple of those away games though & the probable confident well backed winning home form will go a long way to keeping them in contention. And yes, one game a week should = fresh players. Confidence & fitness & results can go a long way to masking weaknesses.
Mane & Matip are both good additions, and Karius is a VERY good addition, but we're lacking.
We still need a great CM & LB for me. As it stands, top four wouldn't surprise me with our offense, but our reliance on injury prone & inconsistent players could mean another 7th or 8th place finish.
I predict we'll finish somewhere between 10th and 2nd.
We still need a great CM & LB for me. As it stands, top four wouldn't surprise me with our offense, but our reliance on injury prone & inconsistent players could mean another 7th or 8th place finish.
I predict we'll finish somewhere between 10th and 2nd.
Mignolet: I told him. Don´t you ever leave your goalline. Did he listen? Nope. Stupid know it all with the sexy hair.
I almost feel sorry for Liverpool. Almost...
We haven't finished lower than 8th since we came back to the top flight in 1962 Tommy - but i get what you're saying. I think anywhere between 4th and 6th.
As for the LB - I would prefer to see Joey Jones come out of retirement and play there rather than Moreno.
i think Mane is a good addition ive got a lot of time for him, but Wijnaldum was a weird one. i cant see him been the player you need if Sturridge goes down like he usualy does.
over all though i just look at the additions and think thier okay for a mid table side.
you guys really have to hope Klopp is as good a coach as a lot of us think he is!
To be fair all our and FSG's eggs are in the Klopp basket. If you look at the signings we've made, but Rodgers was still in charge, loads of us would probably contemplate chucking it all in.
But these are players that Klopp wanted, so he just claimed. And he's the one with the Harry Potter glasses and wand in his hand.
But these are players that Klopp wanted, so he just claimed. And he's the one with the Harry Potter glasses and wand in his hand.
Liverpool have made an enquiry to Cologne for Jonas Hector. His fee is said to be around £22.5m [Emanuele Giulianelli] #LFC
Anybody know this ITK's record ?
Anybody know this ITK's record ?
Works for tribal football. That is all.
Securing this signing would be a huge step in the right direction. A good left back who can get down the left hand side of our attacks would make up for Clyne not being the best attacking full back on the other side as well. Edit- I know its pretty unlikely we sign him.
Yeah I feel if we wanted him and he wanted us it would have been done already, but still live in hope that it might happen. I really hope that the reason it hasnt been done is money - we need a fecking left back, if we have to pay a few million more than is ideal, just do it and stop fecking around.
I realize he had a very good Euros, and was probably very solid in the league (can't say I have watched Köln regularly), but I still wonder whether there's not better left backs than Jonas Hector out there for Liverpool to get. With all the money you have.
BVB seems to have snatched one away in Guerreiro.
BVB seems to have snatched one away in Guerreiro.
I still see nothing special in Hector.
Rodriguez will be expensive but he would be a brilliant signing.
Rodriguez will be expensive but he would be a brilliant signing.
Rodriguez had a clause which would have allowed him to leave for a fixed 25m € this summer. That clause expired end of June. Even Allofs said publicly he was somewhat surprised no club came and activated it (Arsenal especially were rumoured to be after him, and he reportedly willing to leave).
So any club that gets Rodriguez now for whatever fee north of 25m has done some poor planning.
That being said, Rodriguez played a relatively poor season.
So any club that gets Rodriguez now for whatever fee north of 25m has done some poor planning.
That being said, Rodriguez played a relatively poor season.
Think I might stay up to have a look at what they're about. Looks like a pretty strong line-up, especially in attack.
Anyone have a stream for this ?
I wonder if those quotes about Klopp saying he didn't go for Mkhitaryan because he already "had the player" and wanted to "learn more about other players" are true. I find it hard to believe because Sahin, Kagawa and Subotic are amongst those he signed after he's previously worked with them.
Didn't he also say that he knew for a long time that Mkhitaryan was going to United.
I think the hint is that what he knows about Mkhitaryan, he doesn't like. The feeling could well be mutual - didn't Mkhitaryan perform better after Tuchel took over?
Yeah he did, hes on record as saying he preferred Tuchels training sessions and Klopp himself said, theres little point signing a player that he already knows the strengths and weaknesses of as he wouldnt know how to push/motivate said player. Although as someone already alluded to he has previously signed former players. Seems kinda like just a kind of saying I already knew he was signing for United and I never wanted him anyway.
I think Klopp has made the right choice in going for the likes of Mane and Wijnaldum.
Mane is a proven PL player, with great contributions to the game. The desire when playing for a team like Southampton, who will only take you so far as the stage prior to the big stage, is to do well enough to be signed by a bigger club. Getting that move to a bigger club will boost up his motivation from the previous season, and he'll be a perfect player for Klopp to develop and form into a team player. I can see him being the Reus of Liverpool.
Wijnaldum was the one true shining glimpse of last seasons Newcastle. I think he had a great season considering how poorly the team played. His desire to run forward and scoring goals will be a great asset for this new Klopp-team.
Together with the further development of Origi and Coutinho's world-class performances, I see a great offensive side taking form at Liverpool. It wouldn't be surprising if Liverpool ends up back in the top four when the season ends.
If Klopp can manage to get the defence sorted, they might even be challenging for the title.
As I said last month, I can easily see them finishing in the top four. They will score goals against the smaller teams and their system depends on constant wave of attacking pressure.
They have also played something like 6 games already meaning they should be fully fit for the season.
As we saw with Leicester last year, a quick start and who know what can happen.
I hope their defense is still shite and they concede cheap goals, especially from set-pieces.
Our own problem is almost the opposite. I still have doubts if we can put the smaller teams away.
They have also played something like 6 games already meaning they should be fully fit for the season.
As we saw with Leicester last year, a quick start and who know what can happen.
I hope their defense is still shite and they concede cheap goals, especially from set-pieces.
Our own problem is almost the opposite. I still have doubts if we can put the smaller teams away.
That's a bold prediction Tommy, really putting your neck on the line here.
The same things were all said about Lallana, Benteke, Lovren etc who came from lesser teams. Thing is it rarely ever works out like you just said, most of the time they will be overwhelmed by the pressure of playing for a bigger team.
Also "Coutinho's world class performances" when does that happen? He's not that great he's just massively overrated by Pool fans.
I agree a little with the first part, but a point which could be applied to any purchase (Di Maria for example). It's who and how a 'proper' manager buys and uses. Not dickheads like Rodgers and LvG.
And I agree with the second paragraph. Coutinho is massively overrated by our fans. I used to be one but have since realised how predictable this guy has become. Has not pushed on.
To be fair to Coutinho, he's had too much responsibility in a team that has lacked a consistent focal point since Suarez left. Therefore he's either won games on his own or struggled to feed others in a dysfunctional side. His best period last season came during a time when the team was more settled and had attacking options, which took pressure off him - he's still relatively young.
Essentially, the notion of him not kicking on is a tad unfair. He's still done very well at times but just isn't ready to carry a team like Liverpool, which is not something to damn him about.
I'm reasonably happy with our window overall; I definitely think we'll pose more of a threat going forward, particularly if Sturridge stays fit (yeah, I know), but I have to say I'm mystified by a couple of Klopp's decisions.
Left-back, for me, was one of the priority areas we needed to address given how little regard I have for Moreno but, not only do we seem to be starting the season with him as first choice, we've also loaned out Flanagan, depriving us of much-needed cover there.
Likewise, I would've love to have seen a no-nonsense central midfielder lining up alongside Can in a two - yet we went out and got Wijnaldum who, although he's played there, seems like a more natural attacking midfielder, the one area in which we were relatively well-stocked, especially when Mane came in. And, just to rub it in, we've sold wee Joe Allen at a bargain bucket price. Now, Joe might not have been the answer to our midfield issues, but he had quality as Brendan would say. Perhaps Klopp thinks Grujic will do a job there from the off. Hopefully he does, but it's a bit of an unnecessary gamble, IMO.
Hopefully he'll pull a couple more signings out of the bag, but I'm not overly hopeful, especially at LB given Milner's comments about being asked to fill in there.
Left-back, for me, was one of the priority areas we needed to address given how little regard I have for Moreno but, not only do we seem to be starting the season with him as first choice, we've also loaned out Flanagan, depriving us of much-needed cover there.
Likewise, I would've love to have seen a no-nonsense central midfielder lining up alongside Can in a two - yet we went out and got Wijnaldum who, although he's played there, seems like a more natural attacking midfielder, the one area in which we were relatively well-stocked, especially when Mane came in. And, just to rub it in, we've sold wee Joe Allen at a bargain bucket price. Now, Joe might not have been the answer to our midfield issues, but he had quality as Brendan would say. Perhaps Klopp thinks Grujic will do a job there from the off. Hopefully he does, but it's a bit of an unnecessary gamble, IMO.
Hopefully he'll pull a couple more signings out of the bag, but I'm not overly hopeful, especially at LB given Milner's comments about being asked to fill in there.
Tbf if Coutinho won't develop into a great player under Klopp then he's just not that talented (i think he will improve a lot). He's exactly the kind of player Klopp loved at Dortmund and who made BVB an exciting team.
Origi already outscoring Sturridge
Fair points.
I don't think most Liverpool fans overrate him, I would say they see him as I do - massively talented, yet also highly inconsistent. Now, whether that's down to his own failings or, as you suggest, an unfair burden being place on him is another debate.
Origi will smash it this year, Bob. It's so ironic that a last minute goal and an Injury in the same game can do wonders for you. It was that West brom game at Anfield where he scored that last minute equaliser, got injured and then came back a way more bulky, fast, developed player. If it's a choice of Origi or Sturridge i choose bothOrigi already outscoring Sturridge