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Would be lovely if Scholesy would just stop talking absolute shite. Genius player. Moron pundit.

He's at risk of becoming Paul Merson.
Agreed. Scholes was joy to watch and wasn't a word out of him of then, nowadays opens his mouth and even make Merson look clever.

Martinez should have a bit more sense not to respond
 
Scholes was cooler to me when I didn’t hear him much/pre-pundit gig
 
Nice of Scholes to stick the boot into one of our players who has just been carried off the pitch in tears for the second time in 18 months due to a potentially career ending knee injury.


I listened to Beckham talking about Denis Law a week ago and how Charlton and Law were never heavy shadows hanging over Old Trafford and instead were so positive and encouraging to all the players but especially the younger ones and it struck me just what a miserable bunch of pricks the class of 92 are. It should be unconditional support and instead they just constantly shit on our players because they can never live up to their own legends.
 
Nice of Scholes to stick the boot into one of our players who has just been carried off the pitch in tears for the second time in 18 months due to a potentially career ending knee injury.


I listened to Beckham talking about Denis Law a week ago and how Charlton and Law were never heavy shadows hanging over Old Trafford and instead were so positive and encouraging to all the players but especially the younger ones and it struck me just what a miserable bunch of pricks the class of 92 are. It should be unconditional support and instead they just constantly shit on our players because they can never live up to their own legends.
Except, funnily enough, Beckham
 
Not sure scholes is wrong to be honest. And sadly can't stay healthy no matter how good he is
 
Nice of Scholes to stick the boot into one of our players who has just been carried off the pitch in tears for the second time in 18 months due to a potentially career ending knee injury.


I listened to Beckham talking about Denis Law a week ago and how Charlton and Law were never heavy shadows hanging over Old Trafford and instead were so positive and encouraging to all the players but especially the younger ones and it struck me just what a miserable bunch of pricks the class of 92 are. It should be unconditional support and instead they just constantly shit on our players because they can never live up to their own legends.
Absolutely. This, thankfully, happened to liverpool in the 90's with Hansen gobbing off every week.
 
Nice of Scholes to stick the boot into one of our players who has just been carried off the pitch in tears for the second time in 18 months due to a potentially career ending knee injury.


I listened to Beckham talking about Denis Law a week ago and how Charlton and Law were never heavy shadows hanging over Old Trafford and instead were so positive and encouraging to all the players but especially the younger ones and it struck me just what a miserable bunch of pricks the class of 92 are. It should be unconditional support and instead they just constantly shit on our players because they can never live up to their own legends.
To be fair it's really just Neville, Scholes and Keane but you're right. They bring so much toxicity to the club along with cnuts like Goldbridge that anyone other than Jadon Sancho would nearly have a point when they use words like freedom to describe anyone getting away from the place.
 
Martinez has had injury problems for all 3 seasons he's been at United, has his flaws as a defender and will be 28 next year. All the reasons why I think we'll sell him in summer of 2026.
 
Nice of Scholes to stick the boot into one of our players who has just been carried off the pitch in tears for the second time in 18 months due to a potentially career ending knee injury.


I listened to Beckham talking about Denis Law a week ago and how Charlton and Law were never heavy shadows hanging over Old Trafford and instead were so positive and encouraging to all the players but especially the younger ones and it struck me just what a miserable bunch of pricks the class of 92 are. It should be unconditional support and instead they just constantly shit on our players because they can never live up to their own legends.

I don't think that comparison works, as, correct me if I'm wrong, Law and Charlton weren't pundits. Scholes' comment didn't need to be as inflammatory as it was, but as a pundit he shouldn't have to show any partiality towards United and our players. My issue with Scholes and other British pundits is they they seldom stick the boot in on English players/ ex-team mates in the same way in which they do their foreign counterparts.
 
Firstly its a weird comment from Scholes. Lisandro is easily good enough to be one of the weaker spots in a title winning team. There have been loads of players who werent that good, but because everyone else is doing great they were able to be part of a successful team. Is he good enough to be one of the main players of a premier league winning team? I'm not sure. I can certainly see why a lot of people would say no. Although out of who we currently have at the club he's one of the only people leading others on the pitch, talking to them and telling them to do things and communicating.

You see that comment quite a lot about various players - "you're never winning a league title with X player in your team".

Realistically that's never true because if the team is far ahead enough of the competition then they can carry a weaker player. Teams have won a league title by like 20 points before. You could put Lindelof or Fred in those teams and they'd still win the league.

However, I think the overall sentiment needs to stand. Really what he's saying is Martinez place in the team is one we need to be looking to upgrade if we're to build a premier league winning side.
 
He shouldn't reply, even if unfair, full stop.

Yes Licha has been receiving shyte (not only from Scholes) since the very first minute he arrived to the EPL and I guess this last injury doesn't precisly have him in the best of spirits, I guess he got finally tired.
He could just answered like he normally does and this time maybe a bit of irony, sarcasm saying sthg in the line of: "thank you former United legends for the support with my new injury", that way he would have exposed Scholes out of touch comment (BTW has been quite obnoxious since time).

PD1: he treated Scholes as a "mufa", as someone that brings "bad luck", more than probably because of two reaons: his recent too many comments about him and later him getting injured and because he is a ginger. Gingers were always called out as being bad luck.
The last part of Scholes not surviving in Argentina, I don't have a clue why he said that, maybe because Scholes said EPL was too tough for him? or just an unnecessary reiterative pun because Scholes is "bad omen ginger", in any case this style of response it's pretty unnecesary.
PD2: Side Note: I was talking about in another thread, how former players seem to forget how much they hated the trolling from the Press, the over the top opinions, the constant comparison with themselves and they are almost always reactive in their opinions, I think it was in the Erling Thread.
 
Scholes didn't speak much as a player, wish that was the case with him as a former player.
 
He shouldn't reply, even if unfair, full stop.

Yes Licha has been receiving shyte (not only from Scholes) since the very first minute he arrived to the EPL and I guess this last injury doesn't precisly have him in the best of spirits, I guess he got finally tired.
He could just answered like he normally does and this time maybe a bit of irony, sarcasm saying sthg in the line of: "thank you former United legends for the support with my new injury", that way he would have exposed Scholes out of touch comment (BTW has been quite obnoxious since time).

PD1: he treated Scholes as a "mufa", as someone that brings "bad luck", more than probably because of two reaons: his recent too many comments about him and later him getting injured and because he is a ginger. Gingers were always called out as being bad luck.
The last part of Scholes not surviving in Argentina, I don't have a clue why he said that, maybe because Scholes said EPL was too tough for him? or just an unnecessary reiterative pun because Scholes is "bad omen ginger", in any case this style of response it's pretty unnecesary.
PD2: Side Note: I was talking about in another therad, how former players seem to forget how much they hated the trolling from the Press, the over the top opinions, etc., the comnstnat comparison with themselves and they are almost always reactive in their opinions, I think it was in the Erling Thread.
Is there anything Argies aren't racist about:lol:
 
Is there anything Argies aren't racist about:lol:

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I would have made a joke, but after reading in this forum so many silly opnions in the last year, I won't open a can of worns again.
 
Don't have a problem with what both said tbh. Scholes said some stupid shit and Martinez replied in good faith.

Of course preferably it'd be best if both said nothing but it is what it is.
 
Unnecessary beef between the two.
Honestly I find it so weird that Scholes is my 2nd favourite United player and probably my least favourite pundit ever. He’s genuinely worse than Souness. Seems so obnoxious and ignorant and him and that group create so much toxicity for the club in the media. Even this, like why is Scholes saying it?
 
Love Scholes but he’s an absolute train wreck of a pundit. The tone deafness to stick the knife in when a key player of ours has just had another major injury possibly ending hopes of fulfilling his potential here, is astounding.
 
Love Scholes but he’s an absolute train wreck of a pundit. The tone deafness to stick the knife in when a key player of ours has just had another major injury possibly ending hopes of fulfilling his potential here, is astounding.
He comes across as bitter towards younger generations/players, save for a few he personally likes for whatever reason.
 
I don't think that comparison works, as, correct me if I'm wrong, Law and Charlton weren't pundits. Scholes' comment didn't need to be as inflammatory as it was, but as a pundit he shouldn't have to show any partiality towards United and our players. My issue with Scholes and other British pundits is they they seldom stick the boot in on English players/ ex-team mates in the same way in which they do their foreign counterparts.
Unfortunately I think the English point is true. It’s always easy to batter the foreign players.

On the actual comment, he talks about Martinez not being good enough for a title wining team. Well, who is? We’re in the bottom fecking half for a reason. None of this lot are good enough for that level and they can only prove it by doing it. It’s such a nothing irrelevant statement. What next? Oh Bruno, he’s good but he’s never to be a Balon Dor winner!

We are a terrible team right now with a lot of problems. Not having title winning level players is NOT our issue right. We have to focus on becoming a cohesive side first and a top 4 team second. After that, these lofty dreams can be thought of. Again, even ignoring the timing of the comment given Martinez’ horrible injury, it shows you the sort of useless pundit Scholess is.
 
I insist, Licha SHOULD NOT REPLY or do it with irony or sarcasm but without being offensive.
Yet better to not even reply.
 
He shouldn't reply, even if unfair, full stop.

Yes Licha has been receiving shyte (not only from Scholes) since the very first minute he arrived to the EPL and I guess this last injury doesn't precisly have him in the best of spirits, I guess he got finally tired.
He could just answered like he normally does and this time maybe a bit of irony, sarcasm saying sthg in the line of: "thank you former United legends for the support with my new injury", that way he would have exposed Scholes out of touch comment (BTW has been quite obnoxious since time).

PD1: he treated Scholes as a "mufa", as someone that brings "bad luck", more than probably because of two reaons: his recent too many comments about him and later him getting injured and because he is a ginger. Gingers were always called out as being bad luck.
The last part of Scholes not surviving in Argentina, I don't have a clue why he said that, maybe because Scholes said EPL was too tough for him? or just an unnecessary reiterative pun because Scholes is "bad omen ginger", in any case this style of response it's pretty unnecesary.
PD2: Side Note: I was talking about in another thread, how former players seem to forget how much they hated the trolling from the Press, the over the top opinions, the constant comparison with themselves and they are almost always reactive in their opinions, I think it was in the Erling Thread.
Too much Gingerphobia in the world.
 
Tiny Martinez, the eredivisie pocket sized CB who can't play a month without breaking in the EPL think that a living legend like scholes can't play in the Argie league. Does he know that scholes played in this high intensity league week in week out for years? Does he know how many CLs and EPL titles he won?
 
You see that comment quite a lot about various players - "you're never winning a league title with X player in your team".

Realistically that's never true because if the team is far ahead enough of the competition then they can carry a weaker player. Teams have won a league title by like 20 points before. You could put Lindelof or Fred in those teams and they'd still win the league.

However, I think the overall sentiment needs to stand. Really what he's saying is Martinez place in the team is one we need to be looking to upgrade if we're to build a premier league winning side.

I think we need to to be looking to upgrade all but a couple of places in the team if we want to win the league. In fact Bruno has been our best player in the last few years and there have still been posts wanting to upgrae on him. So pretty much the entire team. But thats why picking out Lisandro is weird, almost every player needs to be upgraded if we want to be the strongest of contenders to win a league title but we have weaker performers at left wingback, CB, #10s, goalkeeper, midfield and striker to name only a couple than Lisandro at LCB

Really only Amad, Ugarte and Bruno would be mostly safe if we had a huge amount of money to spend and players wanted to join
 
Pathetic from Scholes. He really offers nothing of value.

Not ideal from Martinez but I can understand an emotional response given the situation.
 
Nice of Scholes to stick the boot into one of our players who has just been carried off the pitch in tears for the second time in 18 months due to a potentially career ending knee injury.


I listened to Beckham talking about Denis Law a week ago and how Charlton and Law were never heavy shadows hanging over Old Trafford and instead were so positive and encouraging to all the players but especially the younger ones and it struck me just what a miserable bunch of pricks the class of 92 are. It should be unconditional support and instead they just constantly shit on our players because they can never live up to their own legends.
Good luck with that. SAF protected kids like a mama bear and Scholes was the most protected of all. In fact he never suffered a hair dryer and his faults were often shifted to someone else (Evra words not mine)

By the time they became senior players the class of 92 had won so much that they couldn't be touched. Not even Charlton could criticize players who won EPL titles almost every year

Licha is a senior player in a team that that lack leaders and is sitting at 13 place. It might not be his fault for that but don't expect legends who made the club great not to be hurt about it. To say that Scholes won't last a month in the Argie league is ridiculous considering that he thrived in a league were licha can't last a month in without breaking down
 
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I would have never let this guy train hard or even the full sessions. He clearly needed looking after, it’s a shame because i love him in his prime. Atleast he got paid well when here, no way a sane club extends his contract.
 
Good luck with that. SAF protected kids like a mama bear and Scholes was the most protected of all. In fact he never suffered a hair dryer and his faults were often shifted to someone else (Evra words not mine)

By the time they became senior players the class of 92 had won so much that they couldn't be touched. Not even Charlton could criticize players who won EPL titles almost every year

Licha is a senior player in a team that that lack leaders and is sitting at 13 place. It might not be his fault for that but don't expect legends who made the club great not to be hurt about it. To say that Scholes won't last a month in the Argie league is ridiculous considering that he thrived in a league were licha can't last a month in without breaking down

It's banter man, it doesn't have to be logical...

...yet as a side note, down here, in South America in general (not only in the Argie League) it's fecking rough, it always was that way.

I guess it's down to so many dribblers and very technical players that had to be stop by any means since the beggining of the game.
 
Don't care that he bit, Scholes is my favourite player of all time but offers absolutely nothing of value to punditry.

He constantly acts like he's being held hostage when doing jobs that he willingly signs up for and offers absolutely no insight worth listening to.

That needless comment was in extremely poor taste after Martinez was just stretchered off with a serious injury. It annoyed me quite a lot and he should hold his hands up and admit it was an error in judgment.
 
Needless from Scholes. Callous, even. Sticking the boot in on someone who’s probably got a year out of the game to contend with shows a serious lack of empathy.
 
Tiny Martinez, the eredivisie pocket sized CB who can't play a month without breaking in the EPL think that a living legend like scholes can't play in the Argie league. Does he know that scholes played in this high intensity league week in week out for years? Does he know how many CLs and EPL titles he won?
You never disappoint. Never.

Do you have some nice story about Juventus or Milan to share too?
 
It's banter man, it doesn't have to be logical...

...yet as a side note, down here, in South America in general (not only in the Argie League) it's fecking rough, it always was that way.

I guess it's down to so many dribblers and very technical players that had to be stop by any means since the beggining of the game.

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A- The EPL in itself is brutal. It played at high intensity, its physical and its normal to find at youth level a freak of nature (in a good way) like Chido Obi whose 6ft2 and is built like a Challenger II tank at age 16. Imagine being a 15 year old player and being tasked to mark that. So by the time a player is of age he would have had to endure years of physical punishment at youth level. No wonder why Paul Ince looked like Asterix when he played in the Serie A.
B- Back in Scholes days it was normal for 17-19 year old to go toe to toe against angry adult players at reserve football level. A 29 year old Nicky Marker stripped United and England from the brightest out of the class of 92 when he destroyed a 19 year old Ben Thornley in a reserves game vs Blackburn. .
C- The physicality in football has been diluted throughout the years. That's not me saying it but the likes of Shearer, Wright and Henry

I am not suggesting that Argentinians aren't tough. The fouls Maradona had to endure back in the day were obscene. However to say that Paul Scholes wouldn't survive in today's Argentinian league is ridiculous. Maybe Martinez should ask his Juan Sebastian Veron what it meant playing with Manchester United back in the day. After all he went crying on the Italian media after 6 months because mean Sir Alex ordered him to tackle and no playmaker should do that. I'd suggest Martinez to focus on him getting fit again rather then dare comparing himself to a serial winner who played at a time were real butchers such as Vinnie Jones, Paul Ince and Roy Keane used to play
 
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A- The EPL in itself is brutal. It played at high intensity, its physical and its normal to find at youth level a freak of nature (in a good way) like Chido Obi whose 6ft2 and is built like a Challenger II tank at age 16. Imagine being a 15 year old player and being tasked to mark that. So by the time a player is of age he would have had to endure years of physical punishment at youth level. No wonder why Paul Ince looked like Asterix when he played in the Serie A.
B- Back in Scholes days it was normal for 17-19 year old to go toe to toe against angry adult players at reserve football level. A 29 year old Nicky Marker stripped United and England from the brightest out of the class of 92 when he destroyed a 19 year old Ben Thornley in a reserves game vs Blackburn. .
C- The physicality in football has been diluted throughout the years. That's not me saying it but the likes of Shearer, Wright and Henry

I am not suggesting that Argentinians aren't tough. The fouls Maradona had to endure back in the day were obscene. However to say that Paul Scholes wouldn't survive in today's Argentinian league is ridiculous. Maybe Martinez should ask his Juan Sebastian Veron what it meant playing with Manchester United back in the day. After all he went crying on the Italian media after 6 months because mean Sir Alex ordered him to tackle and no playmaker should do that. I'd suggest Martinez to focus on him getting fit again rather then dare comparing himself to a serial winner who played at a time were real butchers such as Vinnie Jones, Paul Ince and Roy Keane used to play
Talk about missing the point completely.

One of the few players who gives everything for the badge gets a bad injury, ex player lays into them within moments, current player defends themselves in a pretty tame way but devilish thinks the point of the discussion is whether Scholes would have literally been able to survive in the Argentinian league and provides a random history lesson on the subject.

Scholes is such a bell cheddar.
 
As players, there is no comparison between Martinez and Scholes who is a legend of the game. In any case, Scholes played a very different role in the team to Martinez who is a CB and can only dream of things that Scholes used to do with the ball. But having said that, its really poor timing for Scholes to trash him like this: a) he has been playing better off-late, and b) the guy got a very bad injury just now. If he had to, would be better for Martinez to make fun of Scholes' punditry.