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2024-25 Performances

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5.6 Season Average Rating
Appearances
32
Clean sheets
8
Goals
1
Assists
1
Yellow cards
8
Not unexpected, but sums up this car crash season. He looked like he was really settling into the new formation. This will end up another hole that needs filling somehow despite club being broke.
 
Bad news for him and the club.

Though with Yoro, De Ligt and Mazraoui (and Maguire and very perhaps Shaw), we can handle this
 
Fobal said:
Dunno about that, Shaw might finally return even if he gets injured again. Harry can be move there. Maybe Maz, or even some kid from the academy. For teh roel the team can find solutions, maybe even try a more prgamatic approach that ends with more felxibility from Amorin to not risk evrything to the max till it works. We don't know.

Yet, his character and winner and positive attitude no matter what, it's sthg that it's hard to be replace. And it's not the same thing as resilliance (like Harry navigating a sea of shyte). It's talking to the press after a bad game, after beimng trashed by that same Press, it's to being harsh on himself on public, it's to celebrate your mates plays during games, it's pushing the line to attack when everything is falling even if you have make a mistake, it's that desire to win above all.
That it's hard to replace in a team that lacks those aspects from United teams from the past.
Of course to make it worse, his skills to defend and with the ball, are top of the draw so that makes it even worse and since Amorin needs players to have composure, to take risks attacking and defending with the talent to back that, yes that also it's hard to replace. Yet at least he can find some competent replacement and not making a mess and keep the shape of things. The character stuff? players are born with that edge and will, doesn't look like United right now has much of that in the lockeroom.
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Best to just forget about Shaw honestly.
 
Berbaclass said:
Best to just forget about Shaw honestly.
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Got another injury apparently

Licha likely won't be back until some point next season I think - think the average proper recovery time is like 8 months - hopefully we have learned from our mistakes and do not rush him. We need anew CB in the summer regardless.
 
It's gutting and we're going to miss what he offers, particularly going forward. It does seem like he gets himself into awkward positions and that ends up disastrously, as in this case.

As for the side discussion on who replaces him, there's more chance of Heaven getting games at LCB than Shaw honestly.
 
HookedOnAPhelan said:
Varies. 6-9 months usually I think.
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We're probably looking at a minimum of 12 months before a return to training, and another 2 months to full fitness. You can rush a player back who has a knock or even a muscle pull, but you can't rush back a player with a torn cruciate.
 
Some players are back in training after 6 months, but most take 8-9 months to recover enough to play matches again. If it is 12 or more months there must be something else wrong as well.
 
lex talionis said:
We're probably looking at a minimum of 12 months before a return to training, and another 2 months to full fitness. You can rush a player back who has a knock or even a muscle pull, but you can't rush back a player with a torn cruciate.
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Nah. Van Dijk did his ACL in mid-October 2020, returned for pre-season in 2021 (was even in contention for the Euros that summer, but decided against it), and started and played the full 90 of their first game of the 21/22 season, less than 10 months after the injury.
 
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lex talionis said:
We're probably looking at a minimum of 12 months before a return to training, and another 2 months to full fitness. You can rush a player back who has a knock or even a muscle pull, but you can't rush back a player with a torn cruciate.
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Zico1982 said:
Some players are back in training after 6 months, but most take 8-9 months to recover enough to play matches again. If it is 12 or more months there must be something else wrong as well.
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An Irish rugby international just played two competitive matches within a week of each other six months after rupturing his ACL. Man of the match in his first game back too.

It all depends on how much damage has been done to other structures in the knee. If there’s a meniscal tear, or any involvement of the other main ligaments in the knee then you’re talking 9 months minimum before playing a match.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
An Irish rugby international just played two competitive matches within a week of each other six months after rupturing his ACL. Man of the match in his first game back too.

It all depends on how much damage has been done to other structures in the knee. If there’s a meniscal tear, or any involvement of the other main ligaments in the knee then you’re talking 9 months minimum before playing a match.
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You can repair a meniscus and ACL in one go nowadays, it used to be that it was advisable to do the meniscus first, but I very much doubt a professional with pretty much unlimited funds would go for that.
 
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You can repair a meniscus and ACL in one go nowadays, it used to be that it was advisable to do the meniscus first, but I very much doubt a professional with pretty much unlimited funds would go for that.
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I’m sure they would do everything in one go but the rehab is more complicated after a meniscal repair. If it’s ACL only you can weight bear straight away. With a bad meniscal tear it can be a month or two before you’re allowed to put your foot on the ground.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I’m sure they would do everything in one go but the rehab is more complicated after a meniscal repair. If it’s ACL only you can weight bear straight away. With a bad meniscal tear it can be a month or two before you’re allowed to put your foot on the ground.
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Thanks for sharing. Interesting to hear about this type of injury.

Wishing Licha a speedy recover but the other defenders have to step up.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I’m sure they would do everything in one go but the rehab is more complicated after a meniscal repair. If it’s ACL only you can weight bear straight away. With a bad meniscal tear it can be a month or two before you’re allowed to put your foot on the ground.
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That makes sense. Up until the 2010s they did them in two separate stages, and probably in some hospitals in bum-fcuk nowhere they still do. Now it’s one. I assumed you just had some out of date medical knowledge!
 
I know it is an ACL reconstruction but is it also an MCL reconstruction as well?
 
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Firstly its a weird comment from Scholes. Lisandro is easily good enough to be one of the weaker spots in a title winning team. There have been loads of players who werent that good, but because everyone else is doing great they were able to be part of a successful team. Is he good enough to be one of the main players of a premier league winning team? I'm not sure. I can certainly see why a lot of people would say no. Although out of who we currently have at the club he's one of the only people leading others on the pitch, talking to them and telling them to do things and communicating.
 
Would be lovely if Scholesy would just stop talking absolute shite. Genius player. Moron pundit.

He's at risk of becoming Paul Merson.
 
Scholes thinks everybody bar a chosen few are shite. Stupid of Lisandro to reply on social media. He’s been crap and not helping his case anyway. Not talked so often but for the money the club spent, he is also a flop imo.
 
What a tit. Comical to talk about anyone surviving in Argentina when Martinez himself is barely surviving in fecking Manchester, particularly given that Scholes actually said "...not good enough to win the league with. Unless" before being cut off. And I tend to like Martinez ffs.
 
For all the shite Scholes talks I don't think he's wrong about Martinez.

I love his attitude he looks great when he has a good game with some nice passing but overall he's a bust.
 
Strange one. Martinez has always interviewed very well and conducted himself very professionally. I love Scholes as a player and is total club legend but if I were a current United player or manager I would be absolutely sick of the guy. Im not absolving the mess we're seeing from criticism - far from it- but scholes is just so relentlessly negative and depressing he's more tiresome than those who offer some sort of thought out criticism. I often even agree with scholes on some players, Im not saying at all that he shouldnt criticise a terribly performing team, but I honestly feel that this team could win every game until the end of the season and scholes would just be miserably grumbling about it. He just floods any United conversation with a terrile energy
 
Not a comment he needed to make, but Scholes isn't wrong. Ball playing ability aside, he's an average centre back, with below average physical ability.
 
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