[Remember the geese]

His response to Scholes tweet

Nothing wrong with it. Scholes shouldn't be such a prick. Our former players are constantly sticking the knife in. Legends for their on pitch contributions. Off the pitch? Who needs enemies...

 

[devilish]

Talk about missing the point completely.

One of the few players who gives everything for the badge gets a bad injury, ex player lays into them within moments, current player defends themselves in a pretty tame way but devilish thinks the point of the discussion is whether Scholes would have literally been able to survive in the Argentinian league and provides a random history lesson on the subject.

Scholes is such a bell cheddar.

A- Scholes has every right to say what he wants. You might disagree with his assessment and quite frankly I'd rather see him being more PC (though I suspect that I know why he's so blunt) but this is a free world and if I, a mere fan, can criticize Manchester United then so can he

B- Lisandro Martinez can say whatever he wants as well. However as a senior player you'll expect him to have more sense and refrain from criticizing a legend of the club who won far more trophies then Lisandro Martinez can ever imagine of ever winning

C- Its ridiculous to say that Scholes wouldn't last a month in the Argentinian league especially when it comes out from a guy whose repeatedly being butchered and sent in the treatment room in the very league Paul Scholes thrived in for years and played till he was the wrong side of his 30s. Surely Juan Sebastian Veron (Argentinian player, who played with Scholes and has 10 times the talent Lisandro has) can pull him aside and tell him how ridiculously physical EPL football was back in the day

“In the last 15-20 years, the best central midfielder that I have seen – the most complete – is Scholes. I have spoken with Xabi Alonso about this many times. Scholes is a spectacular player who has everything.” “He can play the final pass, he can score, he is strong, he never gets knocked off the ball and he doesn’t give possession away. If he had been Spanish, then maybe he would have been valued more.” - Xavi

“My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder. Scholes is undoubtedly the greatest midfielder of his generation.” - Zidane

“Out of everyone at Manchester United, I would pick out Scholes – he is the best midfielder of his generation.” “I would have loved to have played alongside him.” - Pep Guardiola

“At La Masia, his name was mentioned a lot. He’s a teacher.” - Messi

"If I had the chance to have played with any of the current list of inductees (of the Premier League Hall of Fame), it would have to be Paul Scholes. He’s one of the best to ever play in the Premier League.” - Patrick Vieira

“Technically one of the best I have seen – not just one of the best Englishmen, but quite simply just one of the best.”“Technically one of the best I have seen – not just one of the best Englishmen, but quite simply just one of the best.” - Pirlo

‘This ‘mufa’ is really hurting….You put him in Argentina, and he wouldn’t survive.’ - Martinez (CB of 13th place Manchester United)

Do you notice how silly that is?

 

[tomaldinho1]

A- Scholes has every right to say what he wants. You might disagree with his assessment and quite frankly I'd rather see him being more PC (though I suspect that I know why he's so blunt) but this is a free world and if I, a mere fan, can criticize Manchester United then so can he

B- Lisandro Martinez can say whatever he wants as well. However as a senior player you'll expect him to have more sense and refrain from criticizing a legend of the club who won far more trophies then Lisandro Martinez can ever imagine of ever winning

C- Its ridiculous to say that Scholes wouldn't last a month in the Argentinian league especially when it comes out from a guy whose repeatedly being butchered and sent in the treatment room in the very league Paul Scholes thrived in for years and played till he was the wrong side of his 30s. Surely Juan Sebastian Veron (Argentinian player, who played with Scholes and has 10 times the talent Lisandro has) can pull him aside and tell him how ridiculously physical EPL football was back in the day

“In the last 15-20 years, the best central midfielder that I have seen – the most complete – is Scholes. I have spoken with Xabi Alonso about this many times. Scholes is a spectacular player who has everything.” “He can play the final pass, he can score, he is strong, he never gets knocked off the ball and he doesn’t give possession away. If he had been Spanish, then maybe he would have been valued more.” - Xavi

“My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder. Scholes is undoubtedly the greatest midfielder of his generation.” - Zidane

“Out of everyone at Manchester United, I would pick out Scholes – he is the best midfielder of his generation.” “I would have loved to have played alongside him.” - Pep Guardiola

“At La Masia, his name was mentioned a lot. He’s a teacher.” - Messi

"If I had the chance to have played with any of the current list of inductees (of the Premier League Hall of Fame), it would have to be Paul Scholes. He’s one of the best to ever play in the Premier League.” - Patrick Vieira

“Technically one of the best I have seen – not just one of the best Englishmen, but quite simply just one of the best.”“Technically one of the best I have seen – not just one of the best Englishmen, but quite simply just one of the best.” - Pirlo

‘This ‘mufa’ is really hurting….You put him in Argentina, and he wouldn’t survive.’ - Martinez (CB of 13th place Manchester United)

Do you notice how silly that is?

I'm so confused if you are AI or not? You have missed the point entirely.

 

[Mike Smalling]

Why did Scholes even get into media? Wasn't he notorious for not wanting to speak to the press after games, and for just wanting his privacy? He's got nothing of interest to say and barely any charisma. My favorite United player, but a very disappointing pundit.

In terms of the actual quote, whether a player in our squad is good enough to win the league doesn't even really matter at this stage in our rebuild (if you can call it that). With maybe one or two exceptions, none of our players are good enough to win the league. Barring an absolute miracle, we are not winning the league in the next five years with or without Martinez in defense. Can he be a solid starter in a back three that could help us get back to top 4-5 as a start (if he can stay fit, obviously)? I think so.

 

[cirilus]

A- Scholes has every right to say what he wants. You might disagree with his assessment and quite frankly I'd rather see him being more PC (though I suspect that I know why he's so blunt) but this is a free world and if I, a mere fan, can criticize Manchester United then so can he

B- Lisandro Martinez can say whatever he wants as well. However as a senior player you'll expect him to have more sense and refrain from criticizing a legend of the club who won far more trophies then Lisandro Martinez can ever imagine of ever winning

C- Its ridiculous to say that Scholes wouldn't last a month in the Argentinian league especially when it comes out from a guy whose repeatedly being butchered and sent in the treatment room in the very league Paul Scholes thrived in for years and played till he was the wrong side of his 30s. Surely Juan Sebastian Veron (Argentinian player, who played with Scholes and has 10 times the talent Lisandro has) can pull him aside and tell him how ridiculously physical EPL football was back in the day

“In the last 15-20 years, the best central midfielder that I have seen – the most complete – is Scholes. I have spoken with Xabi Alonso about this many times. Scholes is a spectacular player who has everything.” “He can play the final pass, he can score, he is strong, he never gets knocked off the ball and he doesn’t give possession away. If he had been Spanish, then maybe he would have been valued more.” - Xavi

“My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder. Scholes is undoubtedly the greatest midfielder of his generation.” - Zidane

“Out of everyone at Manchester United, I would pick out Scholes – he is the best midfielder of his generation.” “I would have loved to have played alongside him.” - Pep Guardiola

“At La Masia, his name was mentioned a lot. He’s a teacher.” - Messi

"If I had the chance to have played with any of the current list of inductees (of the Premier League Hall of Fame), it would have to be Paul Scholes. He’s one of the best to ever play in the Premier League.” - Patrick Vieira

“Technically one of the best I have seen – not just one of the best Englishmen, but quite simply just one of the best.”“Technically one of the best I have seen – not just one of the best Englishmen, but quite simply just one of the best.” - Pirlo

‘This ‘mufa’ is really hurting….You put him in Argentina, and he wouldn’t survive.’ - Martinez (CB of 13th place Manchester United)

Do you notice how silly that is?

It is childish yes.

But you can't ask for common sense only from one side.

The one who starts is not the same as the one who responds.

What did a lot of people said about Ronaldo when he dissed Rodri or the french league?

Yes, with great achievements, comes greater responsability. Either your name is Cristiano, Lisandro or Paul.

 

[devilish]

I'm so confused if you are AI or not? You have missed the point entirely.

I don't care what Lisandro does with the badge. We live in a free world and if someone thinks he's not good enough then he's entitled to an opinion especially if that someone happens to be a legend of the club. As a senior player Lisandro should no better then sprouting nonsense towards a living legend that was 10 times the player he is. At that age he should know that arguments are settled on the pitch by winning top honors (ie the EPL title or the CL). That what the class of 92 did when Hansen said that United can't win with kids

 

[pacifictheme]

When this guy is fit and on form I rate him but both those things have hardly happened for two years. I don't think we can rely on him sadly

 

[Fortitude]

I don't care what Lisandro does with the badge. We live in a free world and if someone thinks he's not good enough then he's entitled to an opinion especially if that someone happens to be a legend of the club. As a senior player Lisandro should no better then sprouting nonsense towards a living legend that was 10 times the player he is. At that age he should know that arguments are settled on the pitch by winning top honors (ie the EPL title or the CL). That what the class of 92 did when Hansen said that United can't win with kids

Is any of this as relevant as the timing of Scholes comment? This is rhetorical.

 

[devilish]

It is childish yes.

But you can't ask for common sense only from one side.

The one who starts is not the same as the one who responds.

What did a lot of people said about Ronaldo when he dissed Rodri or the french league?

Yes, with great achievements, comes greater responsability. Either your name is Cristiano, Lisandro or Paul.

Its not just childish but also stupid. First of all he's saying that one of the finest playmakers of his generation wouldn't hack it in a league that isn't even among the top 6 in the world. Secondly Scholes played till 35-36 in a league were Lisandro keeps breaking into pieces in! That makes zero sense!

And what does Lisandro expect to happen now? Because if Scholes rally the troops then the likes of Rio, Keane, Beckham and Gaz will come out to defend his record. Who will Lisandro bring to the table against that? Rashford and Sancho?

Arguments like that are settled on the pitch by winning actual top honors. That's how the class of 92 silenced critics back in the 90s. Do you remember the 'you can never win kids' jab?

 

[devilish]

Is any of this as relevant as the timing of Scholes comment? This is rhetorical.

Look if I was Scholes I wouldn't say it though as said I suspect that I know why he's so blunt though I keep it to myself as its just mere suspicion. But going toe to toe against a living legend and one of the best players of his generation is madness. It's like a young Nicky Butt telling Diego Armando Maradona that he wouldn't last 1 month in the EPL. People would laugh at him. Seriously there' no scenario were Lisandro goes out of it looking good. It's even more baffling to claim that Scholes wouldn't last a month in the Argentinian league when he played till 35 in a league were Lisandro is struggling to remain fit in.

You'll expect that senior player would not get entangled into such argument and then let football do the talking on his behalf. If United do well then he can always come back to it later on. If not, then this would have been forgotten in 2 days time.

 

[AjaxCunian]

Really quite a shame, what level would he have been at if it wasn't for the two huge injuries. Could genuinely be one of the top CB's in the league.

He will cost us a goal occassionally, but with a %aerials won of 61% (Saliba and Gabriel have 59% for example, but I think are much more threatening with set pieces), it is not such a huge problem. Especially relatively to the chances he creates and how much of the game he progresses. All defenders/players get beat to headers time to time, we seemed very poor organised in those weeks under Amorim. In his recent games it was far less of an issue.

 

[GiveItToGi...nowait]

I wish our players would do their talking on the pitch.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

I wish our players would do their talking on the pitch.

I'm sure he would love nothing more.

 

[GiveItToGi...nowait]

I'm sure he would love nothing more.

I guess he'll have to settle for picking fights with retired legends instead.

What a guy.

 

[cirilus]

Its not just childish but also stupid. First of all he's saying that one of the finest playmakers of his generation wouldn't hack it in a league that isn't even among the top 6 in the world. Secondly Scholes played till 35-36 in a league were Lisandro keeps breaking into pieces in! That makes zero sense!

And what does Lisandro expect to happen now? Because if Scholes rally the troops then the likes of Rio, Keane, Beckham and Gaz will come out to defend his record. Who will Lisandro bring to the table against that? Rashford and Sancho?

Arguments like that are settled on the pitch by winning actual top honors. That's how the class of 92 silenced critics back in the 90s. Do you remember the 'you can never win kids' jab?

Dont disagree. But timing of Scholes comment was awful. You are charging a lot on a median player but giving a pass to Paul, only because of his past.

We are talking about words and opinions. And Paul started it.

Indirectly, you are saying former stars should come out and defend him, attacking a current (long term injured) player. None of this makes sense.

 

[hellhunter]

I guess he'll have to settle for picking fights with retired legends instead.

What a guy.

Yep, it's clearly Martinez who was looking to have a fight

 

[OverratedOpinion]

I guess he'll have to settle for picking fights with retired legends instead.

What a guy.

That's certainly one interpretation of what happened.

 

[LukeChadwick36]

Butcher should have said nothing.

Not only does it look petty arguing with a pundit whose job it is is to make statements that go viral.

But you are talking about one of the greatest footballers of the past 30 years, i think he could survive in Argentina.

 

[GiveItToGi...nowait]

Yep, it's clearly Martinez who was looking to have a fight

That's certainly one interpretation of what happened.

You both miss my point.

Who said what, when or how doesn't matter. If you are a top player with an elite mentality you don't give a feck what anyone says about you. I want to see him come back and respond on the pitch not pandering to his social media following.

Maybe it's a different time and I'm too old.

I'm not a fan of former United players selling controversial opinions by the way.

*edit: You take note of it, put it in your little black book of vengeance for when you can respond on the pitch appropriately.

 

[devilish]

Dont disagree. But timing of Scholes comment was awful. You are charging a lot on a median player but giving a pass to Paul, only because of his past.

We are talking about words and opinions. And Paul started it.

Indirectly, you are saying former stars should come out and defend him, attacking a current (long term injured) player. None of this makes sense.

The timing is so horrible that if Lisandro said nothing then I promise you, most of the United fans would have turned against Scholes because of it. Lisandro managed to snatch a defeat out of the claws of victory with that silly comment.

In my opinion Manchester United should hire someone to teach our player 1-2 things about PR. We're absolutely terrible on it. Meanwhile this should have been handled behind the scenes. I am pretty sure that SAF would have conducted himself like that in such circumstances.

 

[tomaldinho1]

You both miss my point.

Who said what, when or how doesn't matter. If you are a top player with an elite mentality you don't give a feck what anyone says about you. I want to see him come back and respond on the pitch not pandering to his social media following.

Maybe it's a different time and I'm too old.

I'm not a fan of former United players selling controversial opinions by the way.

*edit: You take note of it, put it in your little black book of vengeance for when you can respond on the pitch appropriately.

We've seen other players do this and it's just emboldened the likes of Scholes and Neville, our senior players should call them out for what they are - has beens (this is true, no matter how much I liked them as players) monetising United's issues but being excused given they are ex players - the fact they are ex players, and in Scholes' case was amongst the best to do it, is irrelevant. If they are fans of the club, if they genuinely want to see the team do well, why make it harder for them?

 

[devilish]

Butcher should have said nothing.

Not only does it look petty arguing with a pundit whose job it is is to make statements that go viral.

But you are talking about one of the greatest footballers of the past 30 years, i think he could survive in Argentina.

If he wished to comment than he should have gone on the sarcastic/half a joke like 'I am glad that a living Manchester United legend had wished me a quick recovery at a time especially a time when we need all hands on deck. That shows his empathy as a human being and his love for Manchester United" - Sort of thing.

 

[cirilus]

The timing is so horrible that if Lisandro said nothing then I promise you, most of the United fans would have turned against Scholes because of it. Lisandro managed to snatch a defeat out of the claws of victory with that silly comment.

In my opinion Manchester United should hire someone to teach our player 1-2 things about PR. We're absolutely terrible on it. Meanwhile this should have been handled behind the scenes. I am pretty sure that SAF would have conducted himself like that in such circumstances.

Strangely, former players arent very nice to the club (several examples). Dont know why.

Argentinians arent very nice when attacked, maybe a latin thing, i dont know, myself included.

Its kind of a culture, both things. More respect and less sound bites would be better.

If your a pundit and dont like a certain player, you can always say you think the team needs a different kind of player in this or that position.

We all recognize Keane's importance and competence as a player, doesn't mean he didn't jinx some knees...

 

[LukeChadwick36]

If he wished to comment than he should have gone on the sarcastic/half a joke like 'I am glad that a living Manchester United legend had wished me a quick recovery at a time especially a time when we need all hands on deck. That shows his empathy as a human being and his love for Manchester United" - Sort of thing.

This. 100%.

loved Scholes but im getting so fed up of these digs into our current players. The lad has a serious injury, weird time to lay the boot in and say, sure hes not top level anyway.

 

[GiveItToGi...nowait]

We've seen other players do this and it's just emboldened the likes of Scholes and Neville, our senior players should call them out for what they are - has beens (this is true, no matter how much I liked them as players) monetising United's issues but being excused given they are ex players - the fact they are ex players, and in Scholes' case was amongst the best to do it, is irrelevant. If they are fans of the club, if they genuinely want to see the team do well, why make it harder for them?

I'm not going to go through your post history, but seeing as you post on here I can safely assume you're a football fan and I can then safely assume you've had a moan about your football team. Should you be allowed to? Or is that making it too hard to perform for itty bitty Lisandro sitting on his throne of cash? Football is a game of opinions, they aren't going anywhere and senior United players reacting to it makes it worse ffs.

Such a crap mentality to let words affect you. Go out, play and win. The rest is just noise.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

You both miss my point.

Who said what, when or how doesn't matter. If you are a top player with an elite mentality you don't give a feck what anyone says about you. I want to see him come back and respond on the pitch not pandering to his social media following.

Maybe it's a different time and I'm too old.

I'm not a fan of former United players selling controversial opinions by the way.

*edit: You take note of it, put it in your little black book of vengeance for when you can respond on the pitch appropriately.

It's a unique circumstance as he is injured for potentially a year and the timing of Scholes' comments were extremely callous. He literally can't go on the pitch and try and prove a point.

I also think this type of lazy criticism from our ex players is done purely to further their media careers at this point and is harmful to the club.

I love Scholes but he absolutely needs a bit of stick back as he is the worst offender. Scholes should take it on the chin and hold his hands up that his timing was poor and he should expect a bit back, he won't.

 

[GiveItToGi...nowait]

It's a unique circumstance as he is injured for potentially a year and the timing of Scholes' comments were extremely callous. He literally can't go on the pitch and try and prove a point.

I also think this type of lazy criticism from our ex players is done purely to further their media careers at this point and is harmful to the club.

I love Scholes but he absolutely needs a bit of stick back as he is the worst offender. Scholes should take it on the chin and hold his hands up that his timing was poor and he should expect a bit back, he won't.

He will play football again.

Fair enough for you to think that - I also think its stupid of Scholes to say those things.

But once again for those in the back:

What was said, when it was said or how it was said does not matter.

I'm lucky enough to have been around some elite winners and they all have one thing in common: holding a grudge for a long fecking time and letting their performances do the talking.

I wish our players were more like that instead of taking to socials to try and score points.

Christ I wish I was like that instead of posting on here.

On that note.

 

[devilish]

Strangely, former players arent very nice to the club (several examples). Dont know why.

Argentinians arent very nice when attacked, maybe a latin thing, i dont know, myself included.

Its kind of a culture, both things. More respect and less sound bites would be better.

If your a pundit and dont like a certain player, you can always say you think the team needs a different kind of player in this or that position.

We all recognize Keane's importance and competence as a player, doesn't mean he didn't jinx some knees...

Pundits are paid to be as click bait as possible. Goldbridge himself raised the lid on that when he was speaking about his time at Talksport. They'll basically pushed him to say silly stuff that goes viral (not that Goldbridge needed alot of pressure to do that).

Lisandro is a senior player and he should be used to this sort of crap. Scholes timing on that post was so horrible that Lisandro could have simply sat down and watch an entire avalanche of criticism falling on Scholes head. We are instead divided because of a controversial POV with the worst timing ever and a silly comment that made the player look silly instead.

This is not the first time that this sort of thing happened. We had Rashford being engaged in a spat with Goldbridge of all people, Lingard spouting 'Beans, Beans, Beans' and humping a pillow on social media and of course Sancho's spat with ETH. Its evident that this club needs a clear guide on what can or cannot be said on social media. We also need to get these ex United players now turned pundits sorted as well because I don't remember the likes of Souness, Carragher, Shearer and co going so hard on their former teams as the likes of Gaz, Scholes and Keane do with Manchester United.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

He will play football again.

Fair enough for you to think that - I also think its stupid of Scholes to say those things.

But once again for those in the back:

What was said, when it was said or how it was said does not matter.

I'm lucky enough to have been around some elite winners and they all have one thing in common: holding a grudge for a long fecking time and letting their performances do the talking.

I wish our players were more like that instead of taking to socials to try and score points.

Christ I wish I was like that instead of posting on here.

On that note.

I think you have a very one dimensional (totally inaccurate) idea on how winners behave.

Is Cristiano Ronaldo a winner? Was Mohammed Ali a winner? Was Floyd Mayweather? Michael Jordan?

I could keep listing dozens of the winningest athletes to ever live and plenty of examples of them biting back verbally when people criticise them.

Doing so is no reflection of lacking a winning mentality. I'm sure Martinez still had the same propensity to snap back when people attacked him at the wrong time whilst he was lifting the World Cup and copa America or the FA Cup.

 

[NotChatGPT]

I loved Paul Scholes the player, barely did an interview, barely did a promo for anything, barely showed his face apart from generally being mint on the pitch and then minding his own business.

Not so much after retiring, he's a rent a quote moron of a pundit that barely makes sense.

 

[GiveItToGi...nowait]

I think you have a very one dimensional (totally inaccurate) idea on how winners behave.

Is Cristiano Ronaldo a winner? Was Mohammed Ali a winner? Was Floyd Mayweather? Michael Jordan?

I could keep listing dozens of the winningest athletes to ever live and plenty of examples of them biting back verbally when people criticise them.

Doing so is no reflection of lacking a winning mentality. I'm sure Martinez still had the same propensity to snap back when people attacked him at the wrong time whilst he was lifting the World Cup and copa America or the FA Cup.

Fair enough, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Although I could quibble with your examples (especially MJ as I think he proves my point rahter than yours but hey ho).

I'm just expressing what I like to see from players representing this club and the way Martinez responded is symbolic of the shambles we find ourselves in.

 

[tomaldinho1]

I'm not going to go through your post history, but seeing as you post on here I can safely assume you're a football fan and I can then safely assume you've had a moan about your football team. Should you be allowed to? Or is that making it too hard to perform for itty bitty Lisandro sitting on his throne of cash? Football is a game of opinions, they aren't going anywhere and senior United players reacting to it makes it worse ffs.

Such a crap mentality to let words affect you. Go out, play and win. The rest is just noise.

Completely disagree, bit of a weird tone in your post though about 'itty bitty Lisandro', did he do something to you?

It's about what you do/how you do it as a pundit. United players aren't logging into redcafe and then getting upset a load of internet fans are complaining about them. Especially as ex players and 'fans' they know exactly how unhelpful the media are but they seem to relish sticking the boot in and forming controversial opinions. Sadly, the world we live in means the media have an outsized voice on opinion where many fans are literally just forming opinions of youtube shorts and clickbait articles. It affects the club, the players and the perception of both negatively. The fact you are defending an ex player sticking the boot into a guy who has just done his ACL is testament to that. We used to rip the ex Pool pundits for being so biased for their clubs but, my word, how refreshing that would be.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

Nothing wrong with it. Scholes shouldn't be such a prick. Our former players are constantly sticking the knife in. Legends for their on pitch contributions. Off the pitch? Who needs enemies...

Maybe they are just frustrated because of what we have become?
If we are to analyze the statements, Scholes is clearly right, we will never win the PL with Martinez and surely prime Scholes would be star in Argentina.

 

[ThanksBoss26]

I loved Paul Scholes the player, barely did an interview, barely did a promo for anything, barely showed his face apart from generally being mint on the pitch and then minding his own business.

Not so much after retiring, he's a rent a quote moron of a pundit that barely makes sense.

I recall being amazed he went down the punditry route for that reason.

 

[IRELANDUNITED]

Martinez is one of the few players in the current squad that has the mixture of genuine ability and the right mentality. For Scholes to shite on him now after he has suffered another horrible injury just shows what kind of man Scholes is and it isn’t a good one.

Scholes was a fantastic player but he is a truly awful pundit and he clearly is enjoying seeing United’s current downfall as it further enhances the great team he was lucky enough to play in.

 

[Remember the geese]

Maybe they are just frustrated because of what we have become?
If we are to analyze the statements, Scholes is clearly right, we will never win the PL with Martinez and surely prime Scholes would be star in Argentina.

Scholes isn't to be taken seriously. He's a lazy pundit and spouts whatever nonsense is in his head. He was chatting bollocks about De Ligt in the summer without any knowledge or research. We don't need ex players shitting on the club. We get enough of that as it is.

 

[Scandi Red]

I recall being amazed he went down the punditry route for that reason.

This is what happens when someone who is all about their profession retires. For most people this happens in their late 60's/early 70's and they don't have a large platform so their misery is relatively short-lived and contained. But for athletes who don't go into management it can become a far more ugly spectacle.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Scholes isn't to be taken seriously. He's a lazy pundit and spouts whatever nonsense is in his head. He was chatting bollocks about De Ligt in the summer without any knowledge or research. We don't need ex players shitting on the club. We get enough of that as it is.

I agree and I'd even accept the constant criticism from ex players if it was at least somewhat insightful and balanced.

When Neville does our games on sky sports and discusses our faults tactically, no one really complains. It's just the lazy comments that basically boil down to "pfft bunch of losers these lot". Cheers Scholesy

 

[golden_blunder]

Scholes is one of the worst pundits around, absolutely brainless. Great player, but Jesus he doesn’t half talk shite.

In his own Tories winning teams we had the likes of May, Berg, Silvestre, Phil Neville who aren’t as good as Licha.

 

[Remember the geese]

I agree and I'd even accept the constant criticism from ex players if it was at least somewhat insightful and balanced.

When Neville does our games on sky sports and discusses our faults tactically, no one really complains. It's just the lazy comments that basically boil down to "pfft bunch of losers these lot". Cheers Scholesy

Agreed. I don't know why so many are defending Scholes. I can only assume it's because he was a great player for us. Sad really.