Life after ETH — the next United manager

If we sack ten Hag who would you want as manager?

  • Massimiliano Allegri

    Votes: 24 1.8%

  • Rúben Amorim

    Votes: 280 20.5%

  • Michael Carrick

    Votes: 33 2.4%

  • Roberto de Zerbi

    Votes: 18 1.3%

  • Thomas Frank

    Votes: 70 5.1%

  • Sebastian Hoeneß

    Votes: 59 4.3%

  • Eddie Howe

    Votes: 6 0.4%

  • Simone Inzaghi

    Votes: 66 4.8%

  • Andoni Iraola

    Votes: 36 2.6%

  • Thiago Motta

    Votes: 8 0.6%

  • Julian Nagelsmann

    Votes: 256 18.7%

  • Graham Potter

    Votes: 26 1.9%

  • Ruud van Nistelrooy

    Votes: 30 2.2%

  • Marco Silva

    Votes: 8 0.6%

  • Xabi Alonso

    Votes: 217 15.9%

  • Xavi

    Votes: 58 4.2%

  • Kieran McKenna

    Votes: 81 5.9%

  • Unai Emery

    Votes: 90 6.6%

  • Fabian Hürzeler

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Total voters
    1,367
Yakuza_devils said:
Realistically the best manager available now is Xavi. He can start immediately.

Put him on short term contract. Review again end of the season.
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Surely someone like Xavi would need a summer to work with the players though? I can't see him implementing a style in a league he's never played in, let alone managed in, in the middle of a season.
 
Insanity said:
Graham Potter on conditional basis till the end of the season isn't a bad shout. Hopefully, this time we won't be stupid enough to give him the world after a few wins like we did with Ole.

In the summer, we'd have to get someone better if Potter isn't working out. Inzaghi would be my #1 choice as I think he can get the best results without needing a billion dollars to spend. We can build with him incrementally.
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Your right. It isn't a bad shout. It's a terrible shout.

No other big club would touch him after the Chelsea fiasco.
 
Hopefully we wait until early next year to see who is actually available instead of clutching at straws now, when most managers are gainfully employed elsewhere.
 
romufc said:
In respects of academy, I am not even sure how you can say our academy is not good. Other players have players coming through, I agree but how many get in? City recently have been good, Barca amazing, then United are up there.

Players coming through the academy and actually been given a chance are 2 different things.
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I didn't say it's not good, I just meant other clubs have good academies as well. The question how many players got a chance in the first team before actually is completely irrelevant for a manager about to take over, because that will be his decision. He only needs to know if there is potential in the academy or not.
 
crossy1686 said:
Surely someone like Xavi would need a summer to work with the players though? I can't see him implementing a style in a league he's never played in, let alone managed in, in the middle of a season.
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Not this excuse again. Many managers can come into the club and implement their style of play immediately. I am not saying Xavi is a sure success. He is the best we can get now. He had good track record saving Barca in a mess. He will also have Jan transfer window.
 
Bwuk said:
Your right. It isn't a bad shout. It's a terrible shout.

No other big club would touch him after the Chelsea fiasco.
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I am not saying we should give him the job permanently. There are limited options available in the interim and, imo, he definitely isn't a bad shout until then the end of the season, at least.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Not this excuse again. Many managers can come into the club and implement their style of play immediately. I am not saying Xavi is a sure success. He is the best we can get now. He had good track record saving Barca in a mess. He will also have Jan transfer window.
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Exactly. This excuse that a manager needs a few seasons and a gazillion $'s before they can implement a style of football is seriously bullshit.
 
Raoul said:
Hopefully we wait until early next year to see who is actually available instead of clutching at straws now, when most managers are gainfully employed elsewhere.
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They'll be hoping Ruud as interim can steady the ship and get us playing decent football until the end of the season and then they can appoint the man they want. Otherwise it's find a caretaker manager like Potter/Southgate until the summer and hope PL proven can steady the ship until the summer.

Any full time appointment for one of the best managers available won't be doable until the summer.
 
Realistically who are our options for now? Xavi and Trzic since we don’t want to spend?

My choice would still be Rubin Amorim in the summer.
 
Raoul said:
Hopefully we wait until early next year to see who is actually available instead of clutching at straws now, when most managers are gainfully employed elsewhere.
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Will there be more options available in January/February than there are now?
 
Inzaghi for me. Got to a CL final with that Inter side, narrowly lost to City. Know's how to set a team up against a high press. Plays a way that would suit our current players. If not him then Amorim or Alonso if possible.
 
Insanity said:
Exactly. This excuse that a manager needs a few seasons and a gazillion $'s before they can implement a style of football is seriously bullshit.
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Klopp took a while until he was able to achieve sustained success at Liverpool but some changes/improvements in their approach became noticeable right away. Similar for Pep at City, who only really needed two years until he had transformed them into the dominant side they are now. Conte managed to win a title at Chelsea of course the year after they came 10th.
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
Xavi’s taking a year out so looks like he’s off the table and Terzic is a disaster waiting to happen. Amorim would also be my choice.
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feck kinda hope Pep signs a one year contract extension so we have more of a shot at getting Ruben.

Out of curiosity why would Terzic be a disaster?
 
Club should just go for Jimmy Thelin, worked well the last time a high-flying Aberdeen manager was appointed.
 
crossy1686 said:
They'll be hoping Ruud as interim can steady the ship and get us playing decent football until the end of the season and then they can appoint the man they want. Otherwise it's find a caretaker manager like Potter/Southgate until the summer and hope PL proven can steady the ship until the summer.

Any full time appointment for one of the best managers available won't be doable until the summer.
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Given that we're 14th, the bar will be very low for Ruud the rest of this year imo, which will probably allow him a lot of freedom and flexibility to impart his own style of play with players he is already coaching.

Also, the fact that ETH crammed so many Dutch and former Dutch league players into the squad wouldn’t be lost on the likes of Berrada, Ashworth, Wilcox et al, to where having an existing, qualified Dutch manager who has ready managed a big Dutch team would be incredibly useful to the club in terms of not being forced into an immediate panic hiring of the next manager.
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
Xavi’s taking a year out so looks like he’s off the table and Terzic is a disaster waiting to happen. Amorim would also be my choice.
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Xavi isn't turning down the United job if he's offered it. They all say a year out, but they'll make an exception for the right job.

Tuchel said the same didn't he? And Klopp. Both back in work 6 months later.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Xavi isn't turning down the United job if he's offered it. They all say a year out, but they'll make an exception for the right job.

Tuchel said the same didn't he? And Klopp. Both back in work 6 months later.
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He'd be mad to take it now. He's never managed or played in England, would have to implement his style of play on a team that don't play that way and do it in the middle of the season.
 
Insanity said:
Graham Potter on conditional basis till the end of the season isn't a bad shout. Hopefully, this time we won't be stupid enough to give him the world after a few wins like we did with Ole.

In the summer, we'd have to get someone better if Potter isn't working out. Inzaghi would be my #1 choice as I think he can get the best results without needing a billion dollars to spend. We can build with him incrementally.
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Potter is right next to Southgate in terms of horrendous replacements imo. They're both just as bad if not worse (Southgate certainly is) than Erik, so what would be the point?

INEOS have dropped the ball massively imo. I understand why they elected to trigger his extension after the FA Cup win and interviewing various managers in the Summer, but realistically they should've taken all of their emotions out of the picture and made the correct decision. We finished 8th last season, 8th. Our worst ever finish in Premier League history. We also finished with -1 GD across 38 games. It was absolutely shambolic. I was done with Erik after the Crystal Palace pasting but again, like INEOS, gave him the benefit of the doubt after the FA Cup but still had him on thin ice and ready to relight the torches and grab the pitchforks if I didn't see a single bit of improvement after yet another Summer and another £100m+ spent.

Fast forward to the Brighton game and I was preparing the pitchforks and getting the matches ready and what happens? Liverpool, 3-0, on our patch. Torches lit and pitchfork in hand, the thin ice had caved and it was time to go.

The writing has been on the wall since the start of last season. Our 22/23 season we finished 3rd, but that was also the year that Rashford hit his best ever season, which earned him 30+ goals all comps. Those two things matter and shouldn't be forgotten. Of course, the following season Rashford returns to his true self, which is 8-11 goals in the league and we finish 8th.

We need to be looking at hiring a well established coach that has a good system, good man management skills and good with the press. The notion that there is no one out there better than Nagelsmann is absolute drivel. Look at what Hurzeler is doing for Brighton, or what Emery has done at Villa. We need a manager that will come in and not be afraid to get his hands dirty and that will make the right decisions when it comes to certain players (Rashford, Shaw, Antony, Mount all need to go) and dropping them to the bench when needed. There are too many players here that have seen multiple managers and they're part of the toxic culture and problem that exists at this club and they need fleshing out and we need the RIGHT manager at the helm to do it.
 
crossy1686 said:
He'd be mad to take it now. He's never managed or played in England, would have to implement his style of play on a team that don't play that way and do it in the middle of the season.
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If it's either take it now or don't get the job then I can't believe he'd sit on his hands for another 8 months in the hope another big club wants him then

And I can't see United keeping the vacancy open until May for him when he's unemployed right now.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
If it's either take it now or don't get the job then I can't believe he'd sit on his hands for another 8 months in the hope another big club wants him then

And I can't see United keeping the vacancy open until May for him when he's unemployed right now.
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We'll keep the role open until the summer. There's no way we rush to appoint Xavi if we feel we can get someone better suited in a few months time. Unless of course they're certain Xavi is the man.
 
All out attack Naglesmann

Three at the back Amorim

I think United would be successful under both managers though I think Julian has the higher pedigree given his experiences.
 
Cheesy said:
Klopp took a while until he was able to achieve sustained success at Liverpool but some changes/improvements in their approach became noticeable right away. Similar for Pep at City, who only really needed two years until he had transformed them into the dominant side they are now. Conte managed to win a title at Chelsea of course the year after they came 10th.
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Yes, I have no doubt in my mind that it'll take a while, a lot of money and a whole lot of luck to turn us into contenders. Though, the imprints of the manager should be visible on the team much much earlier and should not require eons and a small bank. A good manager should be able to mold the team into his vision pretty quickly. Results will come as we start adding the right pieces to the puzzle.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
I think people were perfectly justified in wanting ETH. He was a legit target. Thing is learning not to fall in love with these guys if they show they aren’t up to it. He should have been sacked in February of last season.
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Agree. ETH had a work ethic and philosophy that seemed to be the sinecure for our ills. He dealt with prima donna Ronaldo, gave plenty of slack to Sancho, demanded more from his players. Honestly I think he just wasn't tactically astute.

It's like a boxer going up not one but two weight classes and not fully comprehending how much harder they punch as you go up the levels. Whatever the case, his plans didn't work, and he was given enough time and resources.
 
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