So are you going to take it back or not?How is any of it measured? Most of Amorim's nice green boxes come from the underappreciated facet of tactical genius called 'managing in the Portuguese league'.
It's clearly a silly exercise, but if you give exact numbers and call things "objective" and "success adjusted" people will buy it, apparently.
Life after ETH — the next United manager
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No interest in Tuchel
Who needs Potter? Thank goodness vote changes are still possible for this thread.
Discussing Terzic, but not Tuchel can only mean that they already knew that Tuchel wouldn't be interested, at least not under the conditions they were willing to offer. Which is absolutely possible if the rumours are true that they already had talks in the summer. While I won't say that Tuchel should have been the first choice, he is far ahead of Terzic in every possible way and not considering Tuchel ahead of Terzic would be pure incompetence.
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Seems that sensible discussions were being had at least. No mention of Southgate, Potter, Howe, or Frank. One of the arguments for keeping Ten Hag last season was that he wasn't Southgate.
My suspicion is that they were interested in Tuchel but he wasn't willing to wait around and England were keen to get the deal done. I don't buy that he was the no.1 target in the summer and all of a sudden he wasn't considered a few months later. If Tuchel wasn't interested in the England role or they weren't interested in him, I've got no doubts he would have been considered for the role. It just looks like saving face, which is fair enough.
As you say Terzic ahead of Tuchel is ridiculous.
Romano did say it was Amorim first then Frank but yes the others were probably not on the list. Xavi is on a year break and no contact with Inzaghi, they would seem next summer if it all.
We got our top target quickly.
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In the words of LvG: "Only in sex masochism this is allowed"...
Thats also an argument for re-hiring EtH and giving him a pay rise. I would take 5 more years of EtH over having Southgate anywhere near the club.
I do, and I think it means rumours are true that Tuchel declined in the summer. We might not know what exactly where his reasons, but if he had demands that United's leadership did (and do) not want to fulfill it's understandable that there was no point to consider him again.
We'd be in League One by then and still hearing about the process
If Nagelsmann and Alonso weren't interested then Amorim would be a decent 3rd choice. I might even pick Amorim ahead of Nagelsmann who hasn't been all that successful or shown enough stability so far in his career.
You are right, of course. Couple of days forward and the noise with approaching an already committed manager is showing in full force.
Why would I? My issue was that weird scoring system, not Amorim. Coming up with specific, precise "objective" numbers about how good different managers in different jobs in different leagues are is clearly silly. Something tells me Amorim's "tactical command rating" wouldn't be 6x that of Thomas Frank if he'd been managing Brentford in the PL and Frank had been managing one of the big three in the Portuguese league.
It doesn't mean Amorim is or isn't a great manager. Obviously I hope he is.
There's numerous different stories about the Tuchel meeting, so nobody knows if he was our #1 choice in the summer or how far along the talks were. I've always figured that the most likely scenario was that discussions were had but both parties realised that they wanted different things and parted amicably. As such, we wouldn't consider him again just a few months later.
Who's next on our list? Amorim is going to change his mind.
What are you on about?
I'm steeling myself against a potential letdown. I can see him changing his mind, if he really wanted to leave he could have done so before this season. Things are going well for his team and I wouldn't be surprised if he felt there's a job to be finished there.
There's quite a few who are trying to convince themselves that he isn't coming. It's been clear as day that he is. I get the whole 'think the worst and you won't be disappointed' but this has very obviously been in the bag for a while.
He has already won the league and the cup. He ain’t winning the UCL there. So what’s unfinished? I understand if he hasn’t won the league yet.
You really think the club would very publicly chase him and activate his release clause without getting assurances he was 100% willing to join us? Every top journalist has said this is a done deal, relax. Also, don’t forget he was very open to leaving them in the summer, he had talks with Liverpool and West Ham so his loyalty to Sporting isn’t all that.
This season he's started is unfinished. Won all 9 of their league games thus far.
He's a human being, he's allowed to change his mind. There's no 100% certainty with this situation.
The fact he had talks with Liverpool and West Ham in the summer tells you he’s clearly open to a new challenge elsewhere, he’s not going to get cold feet now he’s actually secured the biggest job in the Premier League.
But he prefers the premier league. He said so himself. He is desperate to manage here so that triumphs his unfinished season. That’s his mentality. He sees us as a bigger challenge than winning a 3rd league title with Sporting.
Were Liverpool ever seriously in for him? I struggle to see why he would turn them down and 9 league games later take us. Maybe he realised he made a mistake?
One is the system he employs and second apparently he had a few demands that didn’t sit right with Pool.
Amorim obviously confirmed but it if wasn't him I wouldn't be against Iraola, continues to do good work at Bournemouth. Same for Frank at Brentford but Iraola probably more exciting option.
Yeah he's making Vitality Stadium a real tough place to visit for the best teams in this league