Life after ETH — the next United manager

[Rustyspider13]

I don't follow non-United football as much as I used to, so I don't really have an idea on who should be next, but I hope the next manager is someone with a focus on improving our passing. It seems like most of our passes are either overhit or underhit and requires a touch to set players up. And it has been going on for years now.

 

[Raven]

I feel Amorim is the best option but I also thought ETH was the best option last time.

 

[Rojofiam]

Gone with Amorim, because he seems like a realistic option from the most exciting names. Would be very happy with him, or any of Frank, Hoeness, Inzaghi, Nagelsmann, McKenna.

 

[Jam]

What happens if Pep doesn’t leave next summer? Stay at Sporting or take the United job.

If I was him I’d much rather take the risk Pep stays - he’s at a club he’s doing well at and loved, and will otherwise have his pick of other jobs.

I just don’t see him or Alonso choosing United. It’s completely illogical.

“What if City or Madrid don’t hire us?! Oh well, we’re still the most in demand managers in the world and loved at our current clubs.”

The United job just isn’t the golden chalice people here think it is, we’re biased in our love for the club.

 

[sparx99]

Fair. He did win a title.

I think its just that fact i see him as a miserable little so and so. I just dont think he is a good fit for us.

Yeah, I don't really want him but the way he is judged because Barca sacked him is somewhat weird. We've seen people now touting Emery and they would have called him a flop at Arsenal.

 

[sparx99]

If I was him I’d much rather take the risk Pep stays - he’s at a club he’s doing well at and loved, and will otherwise have his pick of other jobs.

I just don’t see him or Alonso choosing United. It’s completely illogical.

“What if City or Madrid don’t hire us?! Oh well, we’re still the most in demand managers in the world and loved at our current clubs.”

The United job just isn’t the golden chalice people here think it is, we’re biased in our love for the club.

Becoming Utd manager is life-changing financially.

 

[romufc]

If I was him I’d much rather take the risk Pep stays - he’s at a club he’s doing well at and loved, and will otherwise have his pick of other jobs.

I just don’t see him or Alonso choosing United. It’s completely illogical.

“What if City or Madrid don’t hire us?! Oh well, we’re still the most in demand managers in the world and loved at our current clubs.”

The United job just isn’t the golden chalice people here think it is, we’re biased in our love for the club.

I see, the same things people said before Ten Hag was hired.. turned out he was rubbish.

United might not be the golden chalice but the premier league is.

He is managing at Sporting where they love him, if he was into management for love of fans then fair enough. I suspect most managers get into management to win things.

Do you think Pep cares about the lack of love and support at City?

One thing every manager / coach knows, the next manager to get United a PL/Cl will probably go down in history, if you back yourself you would take the job on.

 

[stefan92]

Becoming Utd manager is life-changing financially.

Is it? Considering that United doesn't have money to waste and other top clubs play well too I wouldn't be so sure that money works as a motivation.

 

[sparx99]

I feel Amorim is the best option but I also thought ETH was the best option last time.

Being wrong on ETH now doesn't make his appointment wrong at the time. Maybe Poch would have been better as he is a popular coach with players but it felt like we needed a disciplinarian after Ole.

 

[stefan92]

One thing every manager / coach knows, the next manager to get United a PL/Cl will probably go down in history, if you back yourself you would take the job on.

All top managers know that success requires teamwork. They will have a look at the team that would work around them and that will influence their decision. Backing just yourself isn't enough, you have to trust the staff and players as well. Now we will see if the new structure around Ashworth is good enough to convince absolute top choices to take the job.

 

[sparx99]

Is it? Considering that United doesn't have money to waste and other top clubs play well too I wouldn't be so sure that money works as a motivation.

For most coaches it is. Sure, someone like Xabi Alonso earned loads as a player and now gets well-paid by Leverkusen. However, Ten Hag still earned about 3x his salary. Ten Hag earned 6x what Amorim makes.

 

[Chumpsbechumps]

Becoming Utd manager is life-changing financially.

And the end of your career

 

[bgoodall]

Anyone who doesn’t blame refs, injuries, luck. Let’s make our own fecking luck and win.

 

[ty09cali]

No Edin Terzic on the list?

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

Emery please.

Has totally transformed Aston Villa and bossing it in Europe. Knows the premier league as well.

 

[FortunaUtd]

No Edin Terzic on the list?

Thankfully, no.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Not getting my hopes up for Amorim at all.

Put yourself in his shoes, he’s rocking at Sporting and in no rush to leave - he can take this United job now or very very likely just finish the season and take the City job.

We’re obviously biased on this forum, but from his perspective it’s an absolute no brainier to just take over City next summer.

Exactly. Amorim will have City's incredible efficient system and football structure behind him with his best mate at the helm. He will have much better chances of succes in City than Man Utd. It's a no brainier.

 

[romufc]

All top managers know that success requires teamwork. They will have a look at the team that would work around them and that will influence their decision. Backing just yourself isn't enough, you have to trust the staff and players as well. Now we will see if the new structure around Ashworth is good enough to convince absolute top choices to take the job.

Agreed. However; you support your staff, so you know that you can coach a very good team. The question that remains is can you coach against the elite?

A manager coming from Sporting will not just reject United because of others have failed.

The structure will be trusted more than the old one.

What United offer is unique to most teams really:

1. History - undoing for most managers, cant hack the pressure
2. Fans - Fans in stadium will back the manager till the end
3. Name - United the brand is massive for any manager, the riches that come with it too
4. League - PL is probably one league where most managers want to be successful in.
5. Time - Jose, Ole, Ten Hag all got more than enough time, they wont be sacked after a few bad results.
6. Money - United generally back the manager in the transfer window
7. Academy - United also have players coming through the academy for managers to use, LVG, Jose, Ole and Ten Hag all had players promoted from the academy.

The biggest question is the manager himself, has he got the attributes to succeed at United?

 

[Zaphod2319]

PL Manager salaries.

• Pep Guardiola: Earns £20 million
• Mikel Arteta: Earns £15 million
• Unai Emery: Earns £8 million
• Erik ten Hag: Earns £6.75 million
• Arne Slot: Earns £6.2 million
• Sean Dyche: Earns £5 million
• Ange Postecoglou: Earns £5 million
• Thomas Frank: Earns £4.5 million
• Oliver Glasner: Earns £4.5 million
• Enzo Maresca: Earns £4.2 million

 

[3KDré]

I see, the same things people said before Ten Hag was hired.. turned out he was rubbish.

United might not be the golden chalice but the premier league is.

He is managing at Sporting where they love him, if he was into management for love of fans then fair enough. I suspect most managers get into management to win things.

Do you think Pep cares about the lack of love and support at City?

One thing every manager / coach knows, the next manager to get United a PL/Cl will probably go down in history, if you back yourself you would take the job on.

Yes, it very clearly irritates him.

 

[Bwuk]

Nagelsmann please.

 

[mctrials23]

Being wrong on ETH now doesn't make his appointment wrong at the time. Maybe Poch would have been better as he is a popular coach with players but it felt like we needed a disciplinarian after Ole.

This is completely lost on too many people. You cannot judge a managerial appointment in hindsight. He was 100% the right choice when we got him and I reckon that 95% of United fans were rightly excited about him. He hasn't delivered but that doesn't change the fact he was the right choice at the time.

 

[stefan92]

For most coaches it is. Sure, someone like Xabi Alonso earned loads as a player and now gets well-paid by Leverkusen. However, Ten Hag still earned about 3x his salary. Ten Hag earned 6x what Amorim makes.

Sure EtH did get that, but will the next manager get as much as EtH? That was more my question. If INEOS ensure saving money as a policy that might not be the case.

A manager coming from Sporting will not just reject United because of others have failed.

That's true.

The structure will be trusted more than the old one.

Why? We don't know how it appears to managers, already we fans are split in this question.

What United offer is unique to most teams really:

1. History - undoing for most managers, cant hack the pressure
2. Fans - Fans in stadium will back the manager till the end
3. Name - United the brand is massive for any manager, the riches that come with it too
4. League - PL is probably one league where most managers want to be successful in.
5. Time - Jose, Ole, Ten Hag all got more than enough time, they wont be sacked after a few bad results.
6. Money - United generally back the manager in the transfer window
7. Academy - United also have players coming through the academy for managers to use, LVG, Jose, Ole and Ten Hag all had players promoted from the academy.

I have mixed feelings about your arguments here...

1. can both be a burden and a motivation
2. actually contradicts 1. because it means there is not that much pressure in the stadium than at other clubs
3. definitely something that puts a manager in the international spotlight
4. yes, the most money is involved and the most attention globally is definitely on the PL
5. we don't know if this still applies under the new leadership, I wouldn't take this for granted
6. considering the need to save money due to financial rules and simply failure to be successful and get money by winning stuff and participating in the CL I am unsure about this as well. It might have to decrease compared to what we have seen in the last years.
7. nothing about the United academy is unique. Other clubs have players coming through as well. It's not like there is a new class of 92 ready to take over (that was truly special, but not relevant today).

The biggest question is the manager himself, has he got the attributes to succeed at United?

That's true and the biggest question. Especially as we have to understand first what these attributes actually are, considering how the structure and circumstances change under INEOS leadership.

 

[Tiber]

Do whatever it takes to get Julian Nagelsmann

 

[stefan92]

This is completely lost on too many people. You cannot judge a managerial appointment in hindsight. He was 100% the right choice when we got him and I reckon that 95% of United fans were rightly excited about him. He hasn't delivered but that doesn't change the fact he was the right choice at the time.

He had a very good first season and while in the second season it turned bad (and would have justified sacking him during the season) he still won the FA cup. Even in hindsight it wasn't a big mistake to hire him, just to keep him too long was a real mistake.

 

[Marwood]

This is completely lost on too many people. You cannot judge a managerial appointment in hindsight. He was 100% the right choice when we got him and I reckon that 95% of United fans were rightly excited about him. He hasn't delivered but that doesn't change the fact he was the right choice at the time.

I'd say it's the only way to judge a manager. Look back and see how he did. Only then can you say it was right or wrong.

Definitely true in ETH's case. He was 50 and his only success was with Ajax. That was nowhere near enough to warrant him being the obvious, unquestionable, choice.

We got it wrong again unfortunately.

 

[crossy1686]

Do whatever it takes to get Julian Nagelsmann

I don't think people will tolerate his 'look at me everyone' outfits that he wears whenever it's a big game.

 

[oreon]

You can take Xabi Alonso off that list. He's Madrid bound. And as a former liverpool player, there's no chance in hell he will ever manage Man UTD.

 

[sixdwarf]

R O Y K E A N E

 

[RedSky]

Surprised Emery doesnt have more votes. He's done an amazing job at Villa.

 

[sixdwarf]

I'm actually a bit underwhelmed with the decision now that it has come.

1) It should have been at the end of last season, FA Cup or no FA Cup.
2) We lost the last game because of poor shooting and poor reffing, it wasn't a total embarrassment. So it seems like a bit of an odd day to do it.
3) We have all known for months and months, if not longer, that ETH had to go and INEOS sack him without a replacement in place.

It seems very amateurish and disorganized. INEOS promised best in the world football club management but this isn't it. Sacking ETH without a replacement being immediately in place is just poor organization, which doesn't give me any confidence that the next stage of their decision making process will be any better.

Best in class? Forget it

 

[gaffs]

Yeah, I don't really want him but the way he is judged because Barca sacked him is somewhat weird. We've seen people now touting Emery and they would have called him a flop at Arsenal.

True. But Emry also had a ton of achievements prior to Arsenal. What did Xavi have?

Take the legendary player status away from Xavi and just look at his managerial career. Would he even be in the discussion?
He certainly wouldn't have got the Barca job after only one year at Al-Sadd had he not been a Barca legend.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Bring Erik back!!!!

 

[humdinger]

I’d like to see Iraola but he extended in the summer so very unlikely. Nagelsmann would be exciting but can’t see him leaving Germany just now. Feels like we’ve got to go all out for Amorim or Inzaghi. Hoeness seems to be promising as well.

Links to Thomas Frank are a bit weird when you see the other names banded about.

I have a sneaky suspicion it’ll be Graham Potter. Which would be really underwhelming. Think we need a stronger personality.

 

[romufc]

Sure EtH did get that, but will the next manager get as much as EtH? That was more my question. If INEOS ensure saving money as a policy that might not be the case.


That's true.

Why? We don't know how it appears to managers, already we fans are split in this question.

I have mixed feelings about your arguments here...

1. can both be a burden and a motivation
2. actually contradicts 1. because it means there is not that much pressure in the stadium than at other clubs
3. definitely something that puts a manager in the international spotlight
4. yes, the most money is involved and the most attention globally is definitely on the PL
5. we don't know if this still applies under the new leadership, I wouldn't take this for granted
6. considering the need to save money due to financial rules and simply failure to be successful and get money by winning stuff and participating in the CL I am unsure about this as well. It might have to decrease compared to what we have seen in the last years.
7. nothing about the United academy is unique. Other clubs have players coming through as well. It's not like there is a new class of 92 ready to take over (that was truly special, but not relevant today).

That's true and the biggest question. Especially as we have to understand first what these attributes actually are, considering how the structure and circumstances change under INEOS leadership.

When you look at the points in isolation, its not unique, but put all together it is. I understand you have reservations about the new board but they are a footballing board, it will be better than the old board.

In respects of academy, I am not even sure how you can say our academy is not good. Other players have players coming through, I agree but how many get in? City recently have been good, Barca amazing, then United are up there.

Players coming through the academy and actually been given a chance are 2 different things.

 

[Andycoleno9]

I'd take Jose back ahead of Ole!

I would take even Moyes ahead of Ole.

 

[Bwuk]

I’d like to see Iraola but he extended in the summer so very unlikely. Nagelsmann would be exciting but can’t see him leaving Germany just now. Feels like we’ve got to go all out for Amorim or Inzaghi. Hoeness seems to be promising as well.

Links to Thomas Frank are a bit weird when you see the other names banded about.

I have a sneaky suspicion it’ll be Graham Potter. Which would be really underwhelming. Think we need a stronger personality.

Graham Potter would be horrific and would cement us as a mid table side.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Realistically the best manager available now is Xavi. He can start immediately.

Put him on short term contract. Review again end of the season.

In the summer we could have Alonso, Amorim, Emery and etc available.

 

[thisisnottaken1]

Graham Potter would be horrific and would cement us as a mid table side.

exactly. We need to avoid him and Southgate like the plague.

 

[Insanity]

Graham Potter on conditional basis till the end of the season isn't a bad shout. Hopefully, this time we won't be stupid enough to give him the world after a few wins like we did with Ole.

In the summer, we'd have to get someone better if Potter isn't working out. Inzaghi would be my #1 choice as I think he can get the best results without needing a billion dollars to spend. We can build with him incrementally.