Yeah, not changing manager in summer was bad. It is not good timing at all to try and change the manager now.
Life after ETH — the next United manager
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As i see it; his teams dominate weaker teams with possession and pressing. So in most of games his setup is attacking. In bigger games comes his tactical knowledge which i love to see in managers. Yes, he adapts to opposition but not in a way to play defensive and play on counters.
I liked his games against City. Against him City didn't have their usual 60-70% possession and 20 shots.
That is my take of course. Bayern, Dortmund or Celski fans know way better than me about this.
Potential this, potential that. Time to make it a reality! Whether that’s Frank or someone else, the bottom line is the current guy clearly ain’t the answer so why delay the inevitable.
Oh, absolutely not. You too. It's also that I am really hungry so if I am 'swearing so much' it might be a hangry tone is seeping into my posting.Hey I got no beef have a good evening
I'll eat something now.
Not judging it one bit, since I was at the forefront of wanting ETH here. However, after reflecting on it, I came to the conclusion that we were set up to fail. The reason for it is we didn't have the right profile players to suit ETH's play style. And even right now, we are still a side with a mish mash of different players suited for different play style. I wrote more about it here:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the...g-to-fit-square-pegs-into-round-holes.485009/
If he grew a beard he could look like the son of Sur Jim
It's funny, because some of the Chelsea and now Bayern fans are voicing the exact opposite. Most of them think that he is on a downward spiral, especially now that Kompany has Bayern playing way better than Tuchel could.
Not to disregard anyone due to their nationality, but 4/5 of these are English - that recently really don’t make good managers, for whatever reason - and 5/5 come from the same Premier League era. Also - it’s usually the very good but not spectacular midfielder or defender (Xavi Alonso, Pep, Ancelotti, Arteta) that becomes a great manager, rarely a legendary striker.
For now he looks a bit like Temu Joaquin Phoenix in Joker
Exactly... There is this myth that Tuchel played boring football but He didn't. He dominated weaker opposition while he would adapt to the opposition in big games (which makes sense when you see his record in cup competitions). My Dad, brother and Friends are all Chelsea fans (not shocking in my side of the world) and I watch alot of Chelsea games for the banter. His focus on keeping the ball and creating high quality chances against weak opposition was clear and even against strong opposition he didn't iust concede possession even though he adopted more pragmatic approach.
The most impressive thing about him IMO is his handling of individual players. He was strict but fair in his dealings with players. It's why from Dortmund to PSG to Chelsea his issues have always been with the board and not in the dressing room. Even Bayern last season he didn't lose the dressing room despite the underperformance.
looking forward to feeling indifferent and bored under an interim for however many months..
It’s not stupid if the permanent manager the club want to hire is not available or willing to come during the season.
I explained that’s he far too much in decline but we need that type of coach right now because of how far we’ve fallen , losing 35-40% of your games is a bad habit to get into and unfortunately ETH has got this current United side into that Bad Habit!
Correct. He’s very tactically flexible. I didn’t love watching his Chelsea side but there’s no doubt he got the very best out of that personnel considering how crap that forward line was. He realized it so he stacked the midfield and let James and Alonso/ Chillwell have full license in the final third to support the front line.
I think he also had 2 Lbs ( Maz and Davies) playing last season against Real to nullify their attack.. which had worked ..
Davies got the goal..if I remember correctly
Thomas Frank would have been a good choice in the summer ..
But right now, give it to Tuchel
But right now, give it to Tuchel
We need someone who is going to be able to come in and evolve the team and evolve with them. The idea of another Ten Hag who will come in and slap the instruction manuel on the table and embark on narrow, prescriptive style of play just fills me with dread.
It's why I think age is important and it should be a younger manager not someone already sold on there only being one correct way to play football. Young, ambitions, strong personality, pragmatic, track record of developing players - for me at this stage is more important than how many trophies he's won in the past.
It's why I think age is important and it should be a younger manager not someone already sold on there only being one correct way to play football. Young, ambitions, strong personality, pragmatic, track record of developing players - for me at this stage is more important than how many trophies he's won in the past.
damn right!!Agree but there’s definitely going to be examples of other nationalities, it’s just easier for me to think of English ones. Cannavaro tried management I believe. Gattuso hasn’t lived up to expectations but has started this season well with Hajduk.
ETH after match comments are really what will get him the sack, he doesnt seem to see how far behind we are. I will really hate it if INEOS doenst act this window and bin him
His delusion is very offputting. He seems to believe he has an unlimited amount of time to get it right and lacks any accountability for anything that goes wrong
Maybe we should just take a sabbatical. Take a year to really figure it all out. If ever a club needed to just stop, breathe, and have a think, it’s Man Utd right now.
Which is my way of saying I don’t fancy any of these managers to make a difference.
Which is my way of saying I don’t fancy any of these managers to make a difference.
This topic is jinxing Ten Hag exit.
This feels familiar. I could have sworn I have seen this before. How did that work out again?
So you want the club to make a permanent hire that isn't top of their list?
Feel like I'm in a small number who doesn't think we should look at him at all.
Never been too impressed by the football Brentford or himself as a manager yet he always seems to get mentioned.
Would prefer guys like Silva, Potter (even though I don't want him either) much more than him.
People actually want him? Christ.
I would love to see this type of appointment. If I saw City or Bayern make this type of appointment I would be impressed, so why not for us?
Who is on top? Just do what every other company does when it hires a manager or minor director, hire the best one available and boot them if they aren't good enough. The right guy doesn't exist or is never available.
For the poll, is there any point in having someone like Xabi Alonso there? We know he's not coming here. We also know Nagelsmann is going to be with Germany till 2026.
So of the realistic options, for now I'd take Tuchel. Long term is different.
So of the realistic options, for now I'd take Tuchel. Long term is different.
I just have this feeling that it doesn't matter who we get, my theory is that player power is far to great in the squad so unless it's guardiola coming it's doomed from the start. But hopefully we will get a new manager who can lift the mood abit.
I think RVN was allways plan B for this situation .. if they are going for a permanent solution the realistic options are few…
Omar Berrada is reading this thread as we speak and making the calls according to the poll, so vote wisely
How is this still the prevailing narrative when we've seen the manager again be judge, jury and executioner for the majority of his time here?
Everybody who crossed him during his time here have been sent packing entirely and he has had total control and final decision on who he's kept in our out of the squad. It's never once been player controlled or influenced. We would've missed out on the ugly public divorces of Ronaldo and Sancho if player power was truly king at the club and Casemiro wouldn't be relegated to bench.
Thomas Frank always looks frightened to death, imagine what the united job would do to him, no thanks.
He meant being worse in the long term. A manager to steady the ship and maybe get a Europa League spot but then drop off the following season. Versus nothing this season, then a top manager coming in to build a team that can compete for the league in the next 2-3 years. As a neutral I will go with the second option. But football fans are too sentimental and will put the pressure on INEOS to hire whoever because they hate Ten Hag so much now.
Can't see a better thing for Berrada to do with it's free time than to come to RedCafe looking for solid advice.
Yeah that should be the only reason for appointing an interim at this stage of season