Life after ETH — the next United manager

It's wayyy too soon for Mckenna. He needs a higher profile job first. His next move will probably make his career. Villa would be a good job for him...


I'd go for Emery. I genuinely think he'd jump at the chance to come aswell. Working at United within a proper structure is very different to United with Woodward etc
It probably is slightly premature for McKenna but I'm so sick to death of watching us sleepwalk into obscurity that I'd have taken the chance on him (or almost anyone else) in the summer. You'd at least have a manager who plays a style of football that can be exciting and produce goals.

I'd prefer to look elsewhere now because it's a different dynamic appointing a younger manager who is a bit of a gamble when you've started the season badly and the pressure is already on. The new contract at Ipswich almost certainly means it'd take more money to get him out of there than if we did it at the start of the summer.

He's still one to keep an eye on if we go down the interim route and Ipswich do well this season, though. Brighton and Chelsea were already looking at him before he re-signed with Ipswich. It wouldn't feel great if another top 6 team were to nab him and really take off.
 
No, we should by the players to have a team for long term success and not hope for every manager to be the new Messiah.
11 years should be enough to learn that lesson.
manager much more important than players. look at chelsea last season, look at brighton, look at the last 11 years here where we have had very good players and outplayed by teams with better managers every week, especially in the last year
 
We're in an era where most managers will flame out after a few years. Most but not all, such as Pep and Klopp. I'll take two seasons of success if it means replacing him for the third season, rather than muddling along with a failed manager for four seasons.
Fully agree.
 
I don't get why people are talking about long term? We haven't won a major trophy in almost 15 years. Give me one season with a pl / cl win followed by an almost relegated breakdown season over any of your "long term managers" that took us from European giants to europa league midgets.
 
Dont understand the clamour for Tuchel, he really doesnt appeal to me at all.
 
Would love Nagelsman to come here you know, obviously won't happen but would have been nice.
 
Nagelsman is the only available manager we should be talking to. He wasn't available last Summer, and he probably won't and should not come in mid-season, but if we sack Erik before Christmas, I hope Ruud finishes off the season and we get Nagelsman announcement in May
 
Bielsa.

Would get the players ‘fighting’ for him with senior players underperforming dropped (Onana, Casimero and Rashford) in favour of young dynamic players like his Ugarte as well as Gore, Mainoo and Amad.

The football would be entertaining and the players would be the fittest they have likely ever been. Leeds fans would be royally pissed off too.

Would be great fun for 18 months or so until he blows up.
 
I just want someone with hair who knows how to wear a suit.

Oh feck, that's Southgate, isn't it?
 
Whoever it is, let it be a person who can actually make this lot play football for a change.

I'm not going to believe for a nano-second, that the players we have are so dire (Casemiro, Rashford, Onana and Maguire an exception).
Agree

We do not have squad to go toe-to-toe with Liverpool, City, or Arsenal and it was stupid for Erik to try play attacking, open game against Liverpool, before we even have Ugarte, BUT, but, but we certainly have players to be beating fecking Brighton without breaking a sweat, for feck's sake

Agree with exceptions for Casemiro, Rashford, and Maguire. They should not be around. Neither should Eriksen or Lindelof. As for Onana, I dont know if he is good enough long-term but I think he is fine for top four. Took a while to settle, but he is not as horrible as people make him sound
 
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Three cheers for Salah!
 
I think what Ineos has done is bloody brilliant & very strategic!

They have gone for another two ex Ajax players in Mazroui & De Ligt aswell as a dutch player in Zirkzee as a way of INEOS testing Ten Hag saying - here you go, we have given your ex ajax players & some dutch players - now show us the results.

Ten Hag now has Onana, Mazroui, De Ligt, Martinez, Malacia, Antony, Mount & Zirkzee that has some relation to Ten Hag's teams, leagues or nationality.

At the same time, if Ten Hag fails and gets sacked mid season -

We have then given Nagelsmann 3 ex Bayern Munich players for him to take over and get running in De Ligt, Mazroui & Zirkzee!

Nagelsmann is 100% our next manager. The timing, signings, the type of manager all of it makes just too much sense.
 
There is a reason why the board very specifically appointed the has been and the unproven as managers in the past. They will be more than happy to manage united with minimal fuss with the decisions made by the board of glazers and woody. Now that INEOS is charge, i hope they give the job to a agressive ambitious person. Whoever that maybe. I wonder what it would be like if we get the most eligible manager out there for a change.
 
Whoever it is, let it be a person who can actually make this lot play football for a change.

I'm not going to believe for a nano-second, that the players we have are so dire (Casemiro, Rashford, Onana and Maguire an exception).

Only exception from those is just Casemiro.

But you are right that our squad is good. It shouldn't be a big challenge to make top 4.
 
I think what Ineos has done is bloody brilliant & very strategic!

They have gone for another two ex Ajax players in Mazroui & De Ligt aswell as a dutch player in Zirkzee as a way of INEOS testing Ten Hag saying - here you go, we have given your ex ajax players & some dutch players - now show us the results.

Ten Hag now has Onana, Mazroui, De Ligt, Martinez, Malacia, Antony, Mount & Zirkzee that has some relation to Ten Hag's teams, leagues or nationality.

At the same time, if Ten Hag fails and gets sacked mid season -

We have then given Nagelsmann 3 ex Bayern Munich players for him to take over and get running in De Ligt, Mazroui & Zirkzee!

Nagelsmann is 100% our next manager. The timing, signings, the type of manager all of it makes just too much sense.

Zirkzee has nothing to do with ETH.

And it's unlikely Nagelsmann or any future manager has anything to do with this summer's signings, either. They're good players who will fit most elite managers' way of playing, bar maybe Ugarte, as he seems more of a "niche" signing for a specific style of play. But the others are just generally really good players, and will be useful for the next manager, no matter who that's going to be.
 
I could see Southgate coming in.
The transfer strategy indicates the potential for 3 at the back, as we targeted Yoro, Branthwaite and DeLigt.
Mazraoui and Shaw suit wingback, with LWB being easier to replace with an attacker if and when Shaw breaks down.

The formation may also get the most out of Fernandes and Rashford.

It would be pragmatic, but I could see us getting top 4 with this setup. Southgate specialises in managing game per game and looking at the full course.
 
On what basis? It is and always has been a link made by lazy journalists.
I could see Southgate coming in.
The transfer strategy indicates the potential for 3 at the back, as we targeted Yoro, Branthwaite and DeLigt.
Mazraoui and Shaw suit wingback, with LWB being easier to replace with an attacker if and when Shaw breaks down.

The formation may also get the most out of Fernandes and Rashford.

It would be pragmatic, but I could see us getting top 4 with this setup. Southgate specialises in managing game per game and looking at the full course.

I highly doubt he's even on the list. Anyone worth their salt knows he's not up to it, especially tactically, but that shouldn't be a surprise. He only managed on club level for 3 years and that was 15-18 years ago as well. He wasn't anything special back then, and football is a very different sport now altogether compared to the late 2000s. He basically missed the whole tactical revolution of the last 15 years as he quit club football just when Guardiola, the biggest pioneer of said tactical revolution, basically entered the game.

It says it all, that with an overpowered squad, on international level, where tactics don't even matter as much, as it's a more "arcade" type of football, and with the competition made up mostly of washed up managers on the decline (with some rare exceptions, like Enrique, Flick, and Nagelsmann from the last few years), he somehow managed to handicap his own team in every major international tournament, with his unbalanced tactical approach.

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We targeted 2 centre backs, because Ineos clearly want to rebuild that position. Also, starting with a back 4, but switching to a back 3 during a game, especially when you have possession, has become a regular occurence lately under some of the best managers in the world. It's a cornerstone of both Pep's and Arteta's teams currently. Maresca as well, if I'm not mistaken. That's why you have centre-backs playing full-back, and full-backs who can invert into midfield next to the central midfielders: Zinchenko, Calafiori, Timber, White, Aké, Gvardiol and Lewis are all players who fit at least one of these roles. In our current squad, Martínez, Dalot, and Mazraoui are capable of playing in such a system and are very suited to it. Branthwaite too, but targeting him doesn't necessarily indicate a plan to a switch to a permanent back 3. Branthwaite and Martínez could both start games at left-back if we had both, with Martínez able to into turn into a CCB and Branthwaite into a wide defender if we switch to a back 3. They could play together because of this as well, despite both being originally left-footed CBs. And then, Mazraoui and Dalot are both great at inverting into the midfield.
 
Dont get me wrong its not enjoyable under ETH but I just dont rate Tuchel as highly as others.
He didnt have much of an impact at Bayern and was pushed out of his last two jobs before that , although one was Chelsea so probably not much to take from that.

I would much rather go for a manager who would set up the team to dominate games and win by over running them , much the way the good sides do. Who that is though is the question but im pretty sure its not Tuchel.

There are no managers available (to us) who would be very likely to bring success so at the moment I would settle for one who can set us up to dominate the games we should and unless ETH changes something it wont be him

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Dont get me wrong its not enjoyable under ETH but I just dont rate Tuchel as highly as others.
He didnt have much of an impact at Bayern and was pushed out of his last two jobs before that , although one was Chelsea so probably not much to take from that.

I would much rather go for a manager who would set up the team to dominate games and win by over running them , much the way the good sides do. Who that is though is the question but im pretty sure its not Tuchel.

There are no managers available (to us) who would be very likely to bring success so at the moment I would settle for one who can set us up to dominate the games we should and unless ETH changes something it wont be him

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Don’t want Tuchel either. An upgrade on ETH but a boring manager whose teams never play good attacking football.
 
Always found the Southgate links so bizarre. I can't recall him being linked to other clubs in recent times. Did Chelsea and Liverpool consider Southgate before hiring Maresca and Slot? Heck, City would not touch him with a ten foot pole when Guardiola eventually leaves. If not, then why us? Is it because He's English and we're Manchester United? I just can't seem to grasp on any slight reason as to why our club would even consider Southgate. If the links are even the slightest bit true, we truly deserve every failure we get.
 
I don't get why people are talking about long term? We haven't won a major trophy in almost 15 years. Give me one season with a pl / cl win followed by an almost relegated breakdown season over any of your "long term managers" that took us from European giants to europa league midgets.
I don't believe in the long term/short term manager thing. All managers will play with what they've got, and it can be only short term if the clubs allows it. Conte might be happy to spend on a 31 years old Lukaku, but Napoli allowed this to happen, and we did the same with Cas. The current setup won't allow that to happen.
 
There is a reason why the board very specifically appointed the has been and the unproven as managers in the past. They will be more than happy to manage united with minimal fuss with the decisions made by the board of glazers and woody. Now that INEOS is charge, i hope they give the job to a agressive ambitious person. Whoever that maybe. I wonder what it would be like if we get the most eligible manager out there for a change.
I cant, for the life of me imagine LVG or Mourinho allowing the board to dictate how they manage their teams. Has beens or not.
 
I think what Ineos has done is bloody brilliant & very strategic!

They have gone for another two ex Ajax players in Mazroui & De Ligt aswell as a dutch player in Zirkzee as a way of INEOS testing Ten Hag saying - here you go, we have given your ex ajax players & some dutch players - now show us the results.

Ten Hag now has Onana, Mazroui, De Ligt, Martinez, Malacia, Antony, Mount & Zirkzee that has some relation to Ten Hag's teams, leagues or nationality.

At the same time, if Ten Hag fails and gets sacked mid season -

We have then given Nagelsmann 3 ex Bayern Munich players for him to take over and get running in De Ligt, Mazroui & Zirkzee!

Nagelsmann is 100% our next manager. The timing, signings, the type of manager all of it makes just too much sense.
I like this post and I like you. Anyone mentioning Nagelsmann knows ball.
 
Someone just mentioned that even successful managers burn out in 3-4 years.. and here we have a manager in 3rd year still finding his feet. We going nowhere
 
I could see Southgate coming in.
The transfer strategy indicates the potential for 3 at the back, as we targeted Yoro, Branthwaite and DeLigt.
Mazraoui and Shaw suit wingback, with LWB being easier to replace with an attacker if and when Shaw breaks down.

The formation may also get the most out of Fernandes and Rashford.

It would be pragmatic, but I could see us getting top 4 with this setup. Southgate specialises in managing game per game and looking at the full course.
Why would we go pragmatic now? I doubt the owners want that brand of football to be associated with us. It shouldn’t be an impossible task to get us playing consistently good with a set style. Other teams manage it. We have a decent enough squad. I don’t get it
 
Someone just mentioned that even successful managers burn out in 3-4 years.. and here we have a manager in 3rd year still finding his feet. We going nowhere
And then there’s a manager across town that’s chasing his 5th title in a row.
 
Tuchel's football is 'pragmatic' compared to Ten Hag's, but that's good. His football is fine, but not as exciting as 'peak Klopp', for instance. People generally exaggerate how 'exciting' other teams are to watch week by week, even the best ones. I know that watching Tuchel win more games than Ten Hag and not lose as many would be more entertaining than what's on offer now.

Tuchel will properly structure the side with a balanced, thought-out press, and we'll get much better results. I'm sick of getting pasted and the players losing the plot against Liverpool in particular. It's an absolute embarrassment.

It didn't work out for Tuchel at Bayern, but it's a bit of a myth that they are this perfectly-run club. They've been a mess for a while, with Flick's short run of brilliance being an outlier. I have reservations about Tuchel falling out with players and exploding, but that happens with almost every manager other than Ancelotti. At Bayern, he wanted to sign the players he fell out with at Chelsea, so I'm not worried about De Ligt very much (he pressed for Chelsea to buy him as well). Given that we're into a season, I think Tuchel will be a good option on a 2-year + 1 contract while we look at Iraola and McKenna's development.

At the same time, I'd be happy if we just went straight to it and bought Iraola or Nagelsmann out of their contracts. United should be able to do that, but it's not the done thing these days. How often are managers moving from club to club mid-season? I can't remember one for years.
 
Why would we go pragmatic now? I doubt the owners want that brand of football to be associated with us. It shouldn’t be an impossible task to get us playing consistently good with a set style. Other teams manage it. We have a decent enough squad. I don’t get it
I think any managerial change will inherit the same Fernandes, Rashford, Casemiro problem - supposedly the elites in our squad, but players who struggle to perform consistently.
The squad below that has potential and strength but it hasn’t been tested and lacks players who can step up and be elite contributors.
Therefore any manager coming in is going to struggle to meet fan expectations.

Which is why I believe a pragmatic approach would work in the short term and a 3 at the back could give the 3 players I previously mentioned more defensive support.

Both Frimpong and Ait Nouri would be reasonably priced and come on a decent wage. These 2 would add depth and allow us the play 352.
 
Interim, not long term. That would allow us to bring in someone next summer who might not be available now. Although if our options next summer won't be any different to what is available to us now, then obviously we should bring in a permanent option ASAP.
My issue with an interim solution is the interim reckons he's not there for the long haul so he can afford to experiment and change things up to suit the short term but not worry beyond the end of the season.

Then when we offer him the post permanently he loses all that gusto that got him the offer in the first place and becomes more pragmatic thereby revealing how ill suited he actually was.

Same with Ole. Which is why I have my reservations. Unless it's guaranteed we have a permanent appointment for next season I'm hesitant on getting in an interim manager right now. I'm not saying I don't want one I would just think really hard about it.

The flip side though is if we persist with ETH till the bitter end we may regret it.
 
It's wayyy too soon for Mckenna. He needs a higher profile job first. His next move will probably make his career. Villa would be a good job for him...


I'd go for Emery. I genuinely think he'd jump at the chance to come aswell. Working at United within a proper structure is very different to United with Woodward etc

I think Emery is a quality manager, however we saw at Arsenal that maybe he isn't quite cut out for the very top level of the game. Granted he may have grown from that experience, and he is definitely doing a good job at Villa. If he were to become our manager I would be in support of it even though I may feel a bit apprehensive. In a straight shot with him and Tuchel I would opt for Tuchel, but would not be disappointed with Emery.
 
I think any managerial change will inherit the same Fernandes, Rashford, Casemiro problem - supposedly the elites in our squad, but players who struggle to perform consistently.
The squad below that has potential and strength but it hasn’t been tested and lacks players who can step up and be elite contributors.
Therefore any manager coming in is going to struggle to meet fan expectations.

Which is why I believe a pragmatic approach would work in the short term and a 3 at the back could give the 3 players I previously mentioned more defensive support.

Both Frimpong and Ait Nouri would be reasonably priced and come on a decent wage. These 2 would add depth and allow us the play 352.
Ait Nouri only works in a 3-5-2 yes, too bad defensively.

Not sure why you’d want to hire a DOF and try to setup a certain way, only to abandon it and play 3-5-2 though. It’s pragmatism as you say but just takes time away from the other long term buys/players we could have learned to fit into our current system/long term setup.
 
People will scoff at the thought but I think Bielsa wouldn't be the worst choice in the world.
 
Someone just mentioned that even successful managers burn out in 3-4 years.. and here we have a manager in 3rd year still finding his feet. We going nowhere

Stability is a byproduct of success. It's not the other way around, contrary to what the top minds on here would have you believe. Managers get more time when they are doing a good job. That's a natural conclusion. Pep and Klopp were the longest serving managers in the PL because they were the most successful managers and were both doing great jobs. Other clubs changed managers because they were deemed to not be doing a good job.

People on here seem convinced that time leads to success, when it's the other way around, that success leads to time