[AnotherLondonManc]

Can we not claim a player will come good without going to these ridiculous lengths. Robin Van Persie of all players to bring up.

Can we not claim a player was a waste of money and a flop based on several games, some of which he was good in?

Nobody would need to defend Zirkzee by bringing up the likes of RvP if others weren't writing him off so prematurely

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

Can we not claim a player was a waste of money and a flop based on several games, some of which he was good in?

Nobody would need to defend Zirkzee by bringing up the likes of RvP if others weren't writing him off so prematurely

There is too much drama from both sides, the truth lies probably somewhere in the middle, it's true that Zirkzee has to show alot more than what he is showing now, it's also true that he needs time to adjust as well, both can be true and for me the jury is still out on him.

The overreactions on here are unwarranted.

 

[Stadjer]

There is too much drama from both sides, the truth lies probably somewhere in the middle, it's true that Zirkzee has to show alot more than what he is showing now, it's also true that he needs time to adjust as well, both can be true and for me the jury is still out on him.

The overreactions on here are unwarranted.

Not both can be true, both are true. He has not shown why he was young player of the year in Italy just yet. He needs to show more but he should be allowed some time to adjust and show why he was bought. Onana was slaughtered and written off last year after he was only at the club for a few months. This season Onana has been amongst the best performing players in the squad.

Even if Zirkzee doesnt work out, i dont think the transfer in itself was a bad idea or something to blame INEOS for. Zirkzee looked talented in the Serie A, he is still quite young, he wasnt that expensive for a promising attacker and, after Martial left, we didnt have a player who plays in a false 9/dropping deep striker role.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

Not both can be true, both are true. He has not shown why he was young player of the year in Italy just yet. He needs to show more but he should be allowed some time to adjust and show why he was bought. Onana was slaughtered and written off last year after he was only at the club for a few months. This season Onana has been amongst the best performing players in the squad.

Even if Zirkzee doesnt work out, i dont think the transfer in itself was a bad idea or something to blame INEOS for. Zirkzee looked talented in the Serie A, he is still quite young, he wasnt that expensive for a promising attacker and, after Martial left, we didnt have a player who plays in a false 9/dropping deep striker role.

Agreed.

He isn't an expensive purchase, he also has potential, let's see how his first season pans out

 

[Rossa]

Where does this strange notion that he doesn’t have skills or technique come from? He’s pretty good on the ball and even in tight situations.

He’s not bad, but nor has he shown Firmino levels on the ball. More like average for a PL forward I would say. His pace is likely below average; he doesn’t win many duels and he lacks intensity to his game, and he doesn’t score much or create much. He needs to step it up.

 

[Rossa]

I think he has some similarities to Firmino but they're definitely not like-for-like. I also don't think he lacks technique, tbf.

Also, I do think Zirkzee isn't getting enough goals and assists now, and his general performances haven't been great either, except for a few games in August and September. However, that is largely down to how dysfunctional the current tactical setup is, in my opinion. If he played in a great team, he would be able to have a bigger influence on our games, and would rack up more G/A. Although he's not a 30 G/A player at the moment, even if he played in a City/Arsenal level team. More like 15/20. But like I said, I think that's fine for now.

He doesn’t lack technique, but nor has he, in the PL, shown technique as a stand out attribute of his. He looks strong as an ox, but he doesn’t show it in matches. He doesn’t create much; he doesn’t press well, and he isn’t prolific. He isn’t fine for now because we need goals. He may be fine in the future as I’m sure he has qualities but need to adapt. However, he is not fine for now.