Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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The other politicians and tv pundits were laughing at him for telling the truth about immigration. Since when did telling the truth become a weakness?
He seems like a good, honest man to me, and I think he would be a very good leader, and that is why he is my choice to be the next prime minister. I don't think he will be though.
Corbyn's mandate means feck all he just needs to do one quickly. A complete idealist, he says a lot of right things, doesn't play the media because he thinks it's pointless and is spot on on multiple issues. But he is a protest vote. A protest vote for the young and extreme liberal. And sadly they are heavily outnumbered by those people who prefer to protest via UKIP - an ageing, nostalgic and cynical generation.
The unions and councils who still support corbyn need to get it into their heads that they need to compromise with the PLP, as without MPs they are a neutered force with zero influence on the brink of annihilation. They can gather as many protesters as they like, UKIP is on course to absolutely smash labour and it's terrifying thinking that UKIP could be the official opposition after a snap GE. Get a new leader, preferably from the north, who can unite the party.
Jus wot I fink init
The unions and councils who still support corbyn need to get it into their heads that they need to compromise with the PLP, as without MPs they are a neutered force with zero influence on the brink of annihilation. They can gather as many protesters as they like, UKIP is on course to absolutely smash labour and it's terrifying thinking that UKIP could be the official opposition after a snap GE. Get a new leader, preferably from the north, who can unite the party.
Jus wot I fink init
I think he is clearly exhibiting that he cannot lead. Good, honest, principled, perhaps. But otherwise he is Arsene Wenger, happier to be a runner up and blind to his faults.
All this talk of Blairites and Brownities and the far left... at the end of the day, it's about getting elected. The Labour Party should be a party of government, not a party of protest.
If you consider the political spectrum from -100 at the far left to 100 at the far right, the public will never really elect a government outside a range of about -20 to 20 (i.e the centre ground). And nor should a government be significantly outside this centre ground as they are ultimately there to represent the will of a majority of people, as best they can.
The job of the Labour Party is to try and ensure we get a government of the centre-left as opposed to the centre-right. Over time you can seek to shift the centre gradually, but you can't get elected if you're way outside the current political and social common ground.
Regardless of his politics, Corbyn is incompetent and incapable of being a capable party leader or Prime Minister. But even if he was a great orator and natural leader, he would struggle based on his ideology. You can't win an election on a base of some youngsters, trade unionists and liberal Londoners.
If you consider the political spectrum from -100 at the far left to 100 at the far right, the public will never really elect a government outside a range of about -20 to 20 (i.e the centre ground). And nor should a government be significantly outside this centre ground as they are ultimately there to represent the will of a majority of people, as best they can.
The job of the Labour Party is to try and ensure we get a government of the centre-left as opposed to the centre-right. Over time you can seek to shift the centre gradually, but you can't get elected if you're way outside the current political and social common ground.
Regardless of his politics, Corbyn is incompetent and incapable of being a capable party leader or Prime Minister. But even if he was a great orator and natural leader, he would struggle based on his ideology. You can't win an election on a base of some youngsters, trade unionists and liberal Londoners.
The thing is that the majority of the people in the Labour party seem to disagree with you and the country hasn't actually been asked yet.
It's not up to the "we know best" minority to decide. Frankly they are on quite a long losing streak when it comes to calling things these things correctly.
perhaps I'm bias but I'd say this government is quite comfortably beyond the 20 mark (at least economically) and whoever Cameron's successor is will be even more so
What'll you guys do if Corbyn gets re-elected? I just don't think I'll be able to vote for a party that doesn't recognise the logic of the above.
I find it funny that some in here are happy just to oust him even if it's to the detriment of the Labour party, which of course they insist that isn't. Very strong parallels to the Brexit Leave campaign.
Angela Eagle for feck sake
Angela Eagle for feck sake
I find it funny that some in here are happy to back him even if it's to the detriment of the Labour party, which of course they insist it isn't. Very strong parallels to the Brexit Leave campaign.
Jeremy Corbyn for feck sake.
Sorry I thought this was the 'post in the style of another poster' thread.
Jeremy Corbyn for feck sake.
Sorry I thought this was the 'post in the style of another poster' thread.
This is a great letter
*as long as you ignore Jamie's voting record, which brings his "moral purpose" into serious question and making the whole thing laughable.
Oh dear .Not of to a good start.
I don't think I will leave the Party, not unless the issue of deselection raises its head again. Quite apart from that, I do have some sympathy with Corbyn. He will likely get blamed for killing the Labour Party, but in reality he may only have hastened its demise, rather than caused it. In my view, with the boundary changes and reduction in MPs Labour was never going to win in 2020 without a swing larger than 1997. However, the key issues for me was potentially having a leader who could stop the bleeding, and make some gains. I thought Corbyn would be a Michael Howard type figure. I think he may be IDS instead...
To continue that analogy, the centre for UK politics is probably around 15 rather than zero. Hence a -20 centre-left party is much less appealing than a -5 New Labour type proposition.
Would everyone be happier if he was being challenged by someone like John Mann who has always been openly critical of him?
Also, despite the words here, could it be that Eagle was covering for him on the 13th? What would she do - criticise him openly before the referendum, and break collective responsibility? That would certainly get reported
She may well be an opportunist, but I think that this criticism of her integrity is not so straightforward.
Would everyone be happier if he was being challenged by someone like John Mann who has always been openly critical of him?
Also, despite the words here, could it be that Eagle was covering for him on the 13th? What would she do - criticise him openly before the referendum, and break collective responsibility? That would certainly get reported
She may well be an opportunist, but I think that this criticism of her integrity is not so straightforward.
How could she lie about him being up and down the country? Pretty difficult thing to make up without instantly being called out on it.
Labour are going to abstain their way to power. Boris and Gove will be practically shitting themselves this evening at the prospect of Labour MPs refusing to vote, hence their public silence on the matter at the moment.I find it funny that some in here are happy just to oust him even if it's to the detriment of the Labour party, which of course they insist that isn't. Very strong parallels to the Brexit Leave campaign.
Angela Eagle for feck sake
Since 1997, Angela Eagle has actually participated in more votes than Jeremy Corbyn. Including since the time he's been leader of the party.
http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?id=uk.org.publicwhip/member/40733&showall=yes#divisions
http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=Angela_Eagle&mpc=Wallasey&house=commons
So, you may want to alter this whole "abstain lol" shtick you've got going on.
He was my local MP back in England. He can be a bellend but they could do a lot worse.
*edit* Ignore that, just saw he was a Leave voter. Screw that.
That is me told. I look forward to Angela standing at the dispatch box to talk about helping the vulnerable in society from Tory cuts. I'm sure whichever one of the Tory candidates stands opposite her definitely won't mention the whole Welfare Bill thing.
I'm weighing up whether I would leave the party until a future leadership election. Either way, I won't be getting involved on a local level or actively campaigning if Corbyn stays on as leader.
Weird that Corbyn seems to value Jon Trickett so much, given abstaining on that vote seems to dictate whether you're a bastard or not.
Democracy eh?
He was elected by the membership. But a coup sponsored by their Tory masters is fine.
He was elected by the membership. But a coup sponsored by their Tory masters is fine.
That last paragraph's disgraceful.
Depends if you then whinge about someone else not sharing a "moral purpose" (when more than happy to vote for bombing seven shades of shit out of another country) or that we need a credible opposition to help the vulnerable.
What 'losing streak'? Blair won three elections and there was obviously no choice over Brown.
The PLP and members wanted David Miliband as leader (as did I). How can you say David wouldn't have performed better in the general election than Union choice Ed?
There's a big leap between covering for the Leader of your Party and straight up lying. Her statement could just as easily be 'spin' defending Corbyn from criticism (as she was doing) that he wasn't doing enough for the Remain side.
I said they have a long losing streak when it comes to calling these things correctly.
Who do?
It reminds me of the ineptitude of Labour when Michael Foot was leader.
I liked Michael Foot and while I don't agree with some of Corbyn's ideas and principles, there is a bit of Foot in him I think. Neither of them were/are cut out to be leader of the Labour party though.
Well... they might as well do it, now. Can't get anymore of a shambles if they tried.
Don't see that Angela Eagle is the answer. No more 'electable' than JC is. Must be a stalking-horse / patsy candidate? ie: she's going to lose, everyone knows she is going to lose.
Cameron had to (a) personalize it & (b) try to make himself look like a magnificent statesmanlike figure didn't he? Probably did actually, cos anything remotely more feeble / acceptable like ''I don't know what you're doing over there'' has every chance of getting smashed straight back.
''sack of weasel-wank'' does seem to cover it quite well, though,
Don't see that Angela Eagle is the answer. No more 'electable' than JC is. Must be a stalking-horse / patsy candidate? ie: she's going to lose, everyone knows she is going to lose.
Cameron had to (a) personalize it & (b) try to make himself look like a magnificent statesmanlike figure didn't he? Probably did actually, cos anything remotely more feeble / acceptable like ''I don't know what you're doing over there'' has every chance of getting smashed straight back.
''sack of weasel-wank'' does seem to cover it quite well, though,