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Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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Feck knows.
Did he compare Israil to Isis ?
''Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Muslims friends are of those various self styled Islamic States or organisations''
The use of ''various'' is kind of key. But still it's an own goal for sure(Although with Corbyn there is always a rather large net in play)
''Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Muslims friends are of those various self styled Islamic States or organisations''
The use of ''various'' is kind of key. But still it's an own goal for sure(Although with Corbyn there is always a rather large net in play)
The PLP were about to launch their candidate's campaign but a wasp came into the room and Angela Eagle started crying.
After that she went onto Redcafe for some comfort from friends and is now completely distraught.
Yeah BJ has already decided he doesn't want to face him.
Can also now cross out Rob Marris from the Treasury team, as he just resigned.
Main question remaining is if/when the whips are going to stand down.
This country is ridiculous when that's attacked, the point is clear. The discussion will of course be around it being an own goal as he should know they're all cnuts, perhaps the discussion should be challenging such ridiculous claims instead.
What was actually said in that video? Can't make it out at all.
Thanks. I'm wondering if it is malevolence or incompetence that they are such easy prey (and effective conduits) to targeted leaks, it looks like malevolence because they seem to be competent journalists otherwise.
Despite being a supporter, it's obvious that he can't function with a media that has this one-eyed attitude.
What's the right honourable title about and why do only some MP's have it? As you can see on that picture, Andy Burnham has the title but someone like Tom Watson, Andy McDonald or even Jeremy Corbyn don't.
i quite like Clive Lewis, ironically I had him in mind if Corbyn has to go
Agree.
Looks like they ''jumped'' the gun again funny that.
Also full context(Corbyn wasn't talking about Isis)
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Means they're a privy counsellor, Corbyn should have it but whoever wrote it out was being inconsistent. Or it was Andy Burnham himself.
It's been over a decade and it just happens to be this one vital, pivotal moment when the long deserved payback to the Labour party comes? Great, the one moment where a Labour self destruction would doom the country to a very bleak future. I don't care about the Labour party as an entity, and the people who were guilty of crimes should be punished, but I'm damned if that reckoning should involve screwing us over for a SECOND time in the process. Blair and the others have walked free for the last 10+ years, I'm damned if I can see why another 6-12 months is going to make any difference.
He's a Unite and Labour member, according to his bio. Hopefully not for much longer.
So Corbyn resigns and Angela Eagle/Tom Watson/whoever comes in tomorrow and the country is no longer doomed? People like the human moral compass Jamie Reed are suddenly going to vote against bills targeting the vulnerable rather than abstain to make some ludicrous point?
Today has been another amazing example of the media agenda against Corbyn and also a perfect example of the fact that defenders of Israel often do cry anti-semitism instead of confronting criticisms (and that is not to say there isn't a horribly poisonous strand of anti-Semitism within some criticisms of Israel, but it can be both true that some critiques of Israel are fuelled by anti-semitism and that some defenders of Israel cry anti-semitism)
Firstly, a huge range of the media misquote Corbyn, including The Guardian. Many still haven't corrected the quotes – And they do so to suggest that he compared Israel to Islamic State and that this is somehow anti-semitic.
Even if he had made that comparison, which he didn't, how would that be an anti-semitic slur? It would be stupid and offensive and over the top, but not anti-semitic. Is any over the top criticism of Israel anti-semitic?
And the Ruth Smeeth stuff. Euurgh it's just so typical of the Corbyn era. Pretty shit from Mark Wadsworth, the Labour member responsible for the remark (although it is worth noting, whether you believe him or not, that he says he had no idea Smeeth is Jewish and it was entirely intended as a critique of MPs who are continually working with the mainstream media to undermine Corbyn. He also denies being a member of Momentum). This has then been followed by the perfect illustration of his stance: Regardless of whether you think that the remark was mildly anti-semitic or not, the reaction, the attempt to drag Corbyn and Momentum into the fallout, the utterly credulous reporting of Smeeth's opinion and statement against Corbyn despite the fact that she resigned on 27 June in her (and others) continuing campaign to force him out, is entirely indicative of a pernicious media agenda
Firstly, a huge range of the media misquote Corbyn, including The Guardian. Many still haven't corrected the quotes – And they do so to suggest that he compared Israel to Islamic State and that this is somehow anti-semitic.
Even if he had made that comparison, which he didn't, how would that be an anti-semitic slur? It would be stupid and offensive and over the top, but not anti-semitic. Is any over the top criticism of Israel anti-semitic?
And the Ruth Smeeth stuff. Euurgh it's just so typical of the Corbyn era. Pretty shit from Mark Wadsworth, the Labour member responsible for the remark (although it is worth noting, whether you believe him or not, that he says he had no idea Smeeth is Jewish and it was entirely intended as a critique of MPs who are continually working with the mainstream media to undermine Corbyn. He also denies being a member of Momentum). This has then been followed by the perfect illustration of his stance: Regardless of whether you think that the remark was mildly anti-semitic or not, the reaction, the attempt to drag Corbyn and Momentum into the fallout, the utterly credulous reporting of Smeeth's opinion and statement against Corbyn despite the fact that she resigned on 27 June in her (and others) continuing campaign to force him out, is entirely indicative of a pernicious media agenda
He was handing out leaflets advocating the de-selection of MPs, for what it's worth.
My honest headline summary:
MP WHO RESIGNED 3 DAYS AGO IN ATTEMPT TO FORCE CORBYN OUT CLAIMS SHE WAS LEFT TEARFUL BY POSSIBLY ANTI-SEMITIC REMARK FROM MAN WHO CLAIMS HE DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS JEWISH. SHE SAYS CORBYN SHOULD NOW RESIGN.
Strange thing to be doing at a press conference on anti-semitism. The inability of Corbyn and his team to control people who are actually supportive of him, and prevent them offering an incredibly ravenous/credulous media ammunition against him is astonishing.
MP WHO RESIGNED 3 DAYS AGO IN ATTEMPT TO FORCE CORBYN OUT CLAIMS SHE WAS LEFT TEARFUL BY POSSIBLY ANTI-SEMITIC REMARK FROM MAN WHO CLAIMS HE DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS JEWISH. SHE SAYS CORBYN SHOULD NOW RESIGN.
Strange thing to be doing at a press conference on anti-semitism. The inability of Corbyn and his team to control people who are actually supportive of him, and prevent them offering an incredibly ravenous/credulous media ammunition against him is astonishing.
Another day of complete and utter shambles from Corbyn and his team. He can't go one day without creating a media shitstorm about his incompetence and complete lack of awareness about the public perception of him and the party.
Mate have even you look into it ? The utter shambles that Corbyn caused today was that the press miss quoting him, hardly his fault.
The more the media and Blairite drones of the party ramp up their hatchet job, the more I want him to stay.
It is his fault. Not individual instances like this, but the fact he seems incapable of building a media strategy that controls the story rather than just bends to the prevailing winds. The media might be total whores, but they aren't a monolithic block that run at the whip of a single master. If Corbyn's team can't control the media narrative now with the Tories at their lowest possible point, then god help him in a general election.
Israel have done far worse than Isis, so definitely no moral equivalence.*
By the way, to criticize a terrorist state is not the same thing as criticizing a religion or ethnicity. Conflating a state with religion is as dangerous as conflating Zionism with Jewishness, or Wahhabism with being a Muslim.
*Actually, not quite true. Overreaction on my part. I'll explain what I mean, though. One is a terrorist organisation that behaves like a terrorist organisation. The other is a supposed Western, liberal state, that behaves like a terrorist organisation.
It never ceases to amaze me how people seem to be incapable of understanding comparisons. They're not made to say that every single aspect of them is the same. If I say to someone 'you have a head and so did Pol Pot' I am not comparing them to Pol Pot saying that they're a murderer too, I'm saying they both have heads. Saying one aspect is similar does not mean that all aspects are similar, I've never been able to understand why people fail to grasp this. I see it all the time from people saying 'are you comparing X to Y?' - No, they're comparing one aspect of X to Y.
That's what I meant to say, only more reasonable and thought out.
Comes as no surprise but worth putting in here anyway
I heard you used to be a very good lorry driver just like Peter Sutcliffe
Seriously, I have to agree on this. I don't think he meant anything untoward when making this so-called "comparison" but having said that, it just seems to be one thing after another for Corbyn at the moment.
She has no chance of winning a leadership contest. Literally none. If Corbyn is to go, they need better challengers than this.
Registered by a man called Joe McCrea, who used to work for Tony Blair according to his Linkedin. So hard not to get the tin-foil hat on, surely they'd not be so incompetent as to forget to hide the whoisdata if he's actually related to any potential campaign.
So do I. Never has one politician, with the possible exception of Arafat, done more harm to the Palestinian cause than Corbyn.
Even you can see that.
Eagle voted in favour of the Iraq War, and airstrikes in Syria. I think the former fact will scupper any chances she thinks she has in about ten days or so.
Yeah. Like, I quite like Angela Eagle, she seems ok, but what has she got about her that makes anyway thinks she's more of a leader than Corbyn?
Establishment backing. She won't be having to herd cats, they'll be nice an docile until they can get their real candidate into place.
Also consistently voted against an investigation into the Iraq war as well.
A trojan horse.
Yep, which is why Chilcot is not a welcomed moment for her.