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Ed Miliband has called for him to quit.
The Blairite conspiracy has already been debunked.
He has to go.
The Blairite conspiracy has already been debunked.
He has to go.
This time last election cycle, wasnt miliband laying out an alternative proposal to every conservative idea.
I'm not sure I could name a single labour proposal right now
I wouldn't bet on it. Corbyn is their candidate, they'll be happy to give him a new mandate (and he will win, undoubtedly).I think the unions are going to drop their support for Corbyn soon. Then we can hopefully all get on with what we should be doing as a party.
Spectator said:After a motion of no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn passed at 172 votes to 40, a Labour leadership election looks on the cards. With Corbyn vowing to stand again, his opponents hope that — post-Brexit — a high enough proportion of the membership will choose to oust him.
Yet in a sign that a lot of the grassroots support remains for Corbyn, the trade unions are preparing to stand by their man. After the vote results were announced on Tuesday, Len McCluskey told MPs that if they wish to contest a Labour leadership, it must be done ‘democratically through an election, not through resignations and pointless posturing’. He warned that ‘Jeremy Corbyn’s supporters throughout the movement will be ready for it’.
Before the no confidence motion, before it was clear that Corbyn can't actually fill a shadow cabinet let alone front bench, before council leaders came out saying he should resign, before previous leaders called on him to resign, and before it became clear that Corbyn is quite willing to take the party down with him.Didn't they just come out in support of him a few days ago?
Oh my. As much as I'd love him to stay as leader, that would be sublime.Corbyn should offer to step down after Chilcot is released. Would be interesting to gauge some of the responses in the PLP.
I think Owen Jones mentioned something similar recently and I guess it could work although isn't there the chance it will just be Corbyn 2.0, in that the center and the right of the party will go along with whoever the candidate is for a period of time but at the first sign of ''failure'' they will just repeat the same acts we are seeing now. Ok maybe not to the same extremes but they will certainly try to undermine the candidate again and again and again.If he stands down now then there is still a chance of getting a candidate to run that the membership (and maybe even Corbyn himself) will support. The unions will go along with that. Not that I have any idea who that candidate may be.
The alternative is as I said Corbyn vs the "Unity" candidate, which will be so polarising and will tear the party apart. We don't know what will happen with the infrastructure of the party if there is a split and who will keep what but I'd imagine that the establishment will be able to play it better than Corbyn.
I won't forgive what has happened over the past few days but frankly it's clear to me now that they've won the battle and we have to accept that and adapt.
Oh my. As much as I'd love him to stay as leader, that would be sublime.
Sorry if this is a naive question but: why are some MPs (seemingly) afraid of what the Chilcot Report might contain?
Before the no confidence motion, before it was clear that Corbyn can't actually fill a shadow cabinet let alone front bench, before council leaders came out saying he should resign, before previous leaders called on him to resign, and before it became clear that Corbyn is quite willing to take the party down with him.
And given that Tom Watson and Angela Eagle actually have closer ties to the unions than Corbyn does, it's hard to believe they're actually keen for him to stay on.
But as I mentioned earlier, some of them have elections coming up themselves.
"It is reported by Robert Peston from ITV News that 13,000 people have joined Labour in a week and 60 per cent of them giving the reason for signing up as "supporting Corbyn"."
I think he enjoys a good support from grassroot populace, youth and Unions. Labour should avoid a situation where their leadership is out of sync with the supporters too. But imo he should go. With failure to deliver on Remain, a new leadership will benefit the party overall more. It should be voluntary and not a coup.
Unless it has changed since I joined, the online application includes a section asking why you want to join. So presumably the 40% is a mix of anti-Corbyn and people who put something unrelated or nothing at all. Nothing at all. Nothing at all.The other 40% 'get rid of Corbyn'?
The other 40% 'get rid of Corbyn'?
The other 40% just realised it was cheaper than joining the Tories... something
The other 40% just realised it was cheaper than joining the Tories... something
The other 40% just realised it was cheaper than joining the Tories... something
Why exactly do you want him to stay? Labour are pretty much a non-entity with him at the helm.Oh my. As much as I'd love him to stay as leader, that would be sublime.
I don't think Gisela Stuart is Tory-lite enough. Yes she was pro-Iraq and against an investigation into it but her voting record on welfare in recent years does include her trying to do something to help so they'll be concerned about that.
He really is a rude, showboating sack of weasel w*nk.Cameron said:"For heaven's sake, man, go."
Hang on in there, Jeremy!
What that fecker signed up and got promoted.He really is a rude, showboating sack of weasel w*nk.
I want a Labour party, not a bunch of jokers who cry crocodile tears while propping up the Tories by doing absolutely nothing. To use one of your terms, none of the non-entities that would be nominated as a replacement have a leg to stand on in that regard.Why exactly do you want him to stay? Labour are pretty much a non-entity with him at the helm.
In that case they'll have no issues with Corbyn hanging around until then.The only people who are going to care about this are the people that already believe the worst possible outcome of this report i.e. people that vote Corbyn anyway.
It won't even cause a ripple in the news to the wider electorate in the current climate.
Happy to provide such a service.As an outsider, this thread is the only place I've really seen anyone suggest Corbyn shouldn't go.
In that case they'll have no issues with Corbyn hanging around until then.
What difference would another week make? Plus it'll give them time to find a replacement, which they seem to be struggling with as I assume they're all abstaining from putting themselves forward.It is just symbolic of Corbyn's ineptitude when it comes to strategy if you ask me.
My Facebook's pretty evenly split.As an outsider, this thread is the only place I've really seen anyone suggest Corbyn shouldn't go.
You do nothing anyway. You're a joke. You will get nowhere near government with him in charge, he may be popular amongst your hardcore root base but countrywide he is seen as an irrelevant hippy.I want a Labour party, not a bunch of jokers who cry crocodile tears while propping up the Tories by doing absolutely nothing. To use one of your terms, none of the non-entities that would be nominated as a replacement have a leg to stand on in that regard.
I think the overwhelming majority of Labour grassroots support want him to stay (this would be reflected in a leadership contest, assuming the unions continue to back him, and that does seem to be the case as of now).As an outsider, this thread is the only place I've really seen anyone suggest Corbyn shouldn't go.
And if he goes, what is the point in Labour existing? Standing up for the vulnerable in this country against the Tories while being lead by a bunch of abstainers?You do nothing anyway. You're a joke. You will get nowhere near government with him in charge, he may be popular amongst your hardcore root base but countrywide he is seen as an irrelevant hippy.
If you keep him what exactly is the point in Labour existing?
How exactly is he standing up? He's fifty billion miles away from being in a position to make a difference.And if he goes, what is the point in Labour existing? Standing up for the vulnerable in this country against the Tories while being lead by a bunch of abstainers?
And your alternative is who?How exactly is he standing up? He's fifty billion miles away from being in a position to make a difference.
Not really. If he wins a leadership contest and forces through party reform with a renewed mandate, he's arguably in a stronger position than ever.How exactly is he standing up? He's fifty billion miles away from being in a position to make a difference.
My Facebook's pretty evenly split.