Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Ed Miliband has called for him to quit.
The Blairite conspiracy has already been debunked.
He has to go.
 
This time last election cycle, wasnt miliband laying out an alternative proposal to every conservative idea.

I'm not sure I could name a single labour proposal right now

Renationalisation of railway franchises as they come up for renewal.
Removal of benefit cap and an end to the bedroom tax.
The construction of more council houses.
Supported Merkel's approach to the migrant crisis. More recently, called for the UK to host child refugees.
Unmanaged immigration.
Increases to the minimum wage in excess of current proposals.



Those are several which immediately spring to mind. At least i think those have been stated as policies, and not merely the view of Corbyn himself.
 
I think the unions are going to drop their support for Corbyn soon. Then we can hopefully all get on with what we should be doing as a party.
I wouldn't bet on it. Corbyn is their candidate, they'll be happy to give him a new mandate (and he will win, undoubtedly).

Spectator said:
After a motion of no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn passed at 172 votes to 40, a Labour leadership election looks on the cards. With Corbyn vowing to stand again, his opponents hope that — post-Brexit — a high enough proportion of the membership will choose to oust him.

Yet in a sign that a lot of the grassroots support remains for Corbyn, the trade unions are preparing to stand by their man. After the vote results were announced on Tuesday, Len McCluskey told MPs that if they wish to contest a Labour leadership, it must be done ‘democratically through an election, not through resignations and pointless posturing’. He warned that ‘Jeremy Corbyn’s supporters throughout the movement will be ready for it’.
 
Didn't they just come out in support of him a few days ago?
Before the no confidence motion, before it was clear that Corbyn can't actually fill a shadow cabinet let alone front bench, before council leaders came out saying he should resign, before previous leaders called on him to resign, and before it became clear that Corbyn is quite willing to take the party down with him.

And given that Tom Watson and Angela Eagle actually have closer ties to the unions than Corbyn does, it's hard to believe they're actually keen for him to stay on.

But as I mentioned earlier, some of them have elections coming up themselves.
 
Considering that Gisela Stuart is likely to play some part in future EU negotiations (and came out of the EURef campaign fairly well i thought), it will be interesting to see if any of eventual candidates seek her support.
 
Corbyn should offer to step down after Chilcot is released. Would be interesting to gauge some of the responses in the PLP.
Oh my. As much as I'd love him to stay as leader, that would be sublime.

I don't think Gisela Stuart is Tory-lite enough. Yes she was pro-Iraq and against an investigation into it but her voting record on welfare in recent years does include her trying to do something to help so they'll be concerned about that.
 
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If he stands down now then there is still a chance of getting a candidate to run that the membership (and maybe even Corbyn himself) will support. The unions will go along with that. Not that I have any idea who that candidate may be.

The alternative is as I said Corbyn vs the "Unity" candidate, which will be so polarising and will tear the party apart. We don't know what will happen with the infrastructure of the party if there is a split and who will keep what but I'd imagine that the establishment will be able to play it better than Corbyn.

I won't forgive what has happened over the past few days but frankly it's clear to me now that they've won the battle and we have to accept that and adapt.
I think Owen Jones mentioned something similar recently and I guess it could work although isn't there the chance it will just be Corbyn 2.0, in that the center and the right of the party will go along with whoever the candidate is for a period of time but at the first sign of ''failure'' they will just repeat the same acts we are seeing now. Ok maybe not to the same extremes but they will certainly try to undermine the candidate again and again and again.

As for the potential spilt I agree with you , if Corbyn stay it's almost inevitable. And as you've said the chances are the establishment will be able to play it better than Corbyn(Even as someone who voted for Corbyn and will do again in the leadership race should it happen, he's really shite at ''playing the game''). But at the same time the Labour Party is now so wide in it's political spectrum that's this was almost bound to happen at some stage. The only reason I can think of as to why The Labour Party has such a wide spectrum is because of our voting system, really there's no reason why people like Hilary Benn and Corbyn should ever be in the same political party.

Still this may all be pointless if the Unions stop backing.
 
Sorry if this is a naive question but: why are some MPs (seemingly) afraid of what the Chilcot Report might contain?
 
Sorry if this is a naive question but: why are some MPs (seemingly) afraid of what the Chilcot Report might contain?

Some of them will have been part of the government at the time. Those who held positions at the Treasury, the MoD and FCO, could well be linked with (although not accused directly) serious errors or wrongdoing.
 
Many of them also voted against the inquiry so will be accused of attempting a cover up if it comes out with anything particularly damning.
 
Before the no confidence motion, before it was clear that Corbyn can't actually fill a shadow cabinet let alone front bench, before council leaders came out saying he should resign, before previous leaders called on him to resign, and before it became clear that Corbyn is quite willing to take the party down with him.

And given that Tom Watson and Angela Eagle actually have closer ties to the unions than Corbyn does, it's hard to believe they're actually keen for him to stay on.

But as I mentioned earlier, some of them have elections coming up themselves.

"It is reported by Robert Peston from ITV News that 13,000 people have joined Labour in a week and 60 per cent of them giving the reason for signing up as "supporting Corbyn"."

I think he enjoys a good support from grassroot populace, youth and Unions. Labour should avoid a situation where their leadership is out of sync with the supporters too. But imo he should go. With failure to deliver on Remain, a new leadership will benefit the party overall more. It should be voluntary and not a coup.
 
"It is reported by Robert Peston from ITV News that 13,000 people have joined Labour in a week and 60 per cent of them giving the reason for signing up as "supporting Corbyn"."

I think he enjoys a good support from grassroot populace, youth and Unions. Labour should avoid a situation where their leadership is out of sync with the supporters too. But imo he should go. With failure to deliver on Remain, a new leadership will benefit the party overall more. It should be voluntary and not a coup.

The other 40% 'get rid of Corbyn'?
 
Oh my. As much as I'd love him to stay as leader, that would be sublime.

I don't think Gisela Stuart is Tory-lite enough. Yes she was pro-Iraq and against an investigation into it but her voting record on welfare in recent years does include her trying to do something to help so they'll be concerned about that.
Why exactly do you want him to stay? Labour are pretty much a non-entity with him at the helm.
 
Cameron said:
"For heaven's sake, man, go."
He really is a rude, showboating sack of weasel w*nk.
 


Struggle to believe that, maybe it means people in the shadow cabinet rather than the likes of Milne, who is a genuine bastard.
 
Why exactly do you want him to stay? Labour are pretty much a non-entity with him at the helm.
I want a Labour party, not a bunch of jokers who cry crocodile tears while propping up the Tories by doing absolutely nothing. To use one of your terms, none of the non-entities that would be nominated as a replacement have a leg to stand on in that regard.

The only people who are going to care about this are the people that already believe the worst possible outcome of this report i.e. people that vote Corbyn anyway.

It won't even cause a ripple in the news to the wider electorate in the current climate.
In that case they'll have no issues with Corbyn hanging around until then.
 
As an outsider, this thread is the only place I've really seen anyone suggest Corbyn shouldn't go.
 
I want a Labour party, not a bunch of jokers who cry crocodile tears while propping up the Tories by doing absolutely nothing. To use one of your terms, none of the non-entities that would be nominated as a replacement have a leg to stand on in that regard.
You do nothing anyway. You're a joke. You will get nowhere near government with him in charge, he may be popular amongst your hardcore root base but countrywide he is seen as an irrelevant hippy.

If you keep him what exactly is the point in Labour existing?
 
As an outsider, this thread is the only place I've really seen anyone suggest Corbyn shouldn't go.
I think the overwhelming majority of Labour grassroots support want him to stay (this would be reflected in a leadership contest, assuming the unions continue to back him, and that does seem to be the case as of now).
 
You do nothing anyway. You're a joke. You will get nowhere near government with him in charge, he may be popular amongst your hardcore root base but countrywide he is seen as an irrelevant hippy.

If you keep him what exactly is the point in Labour existing?
And if he goes, what is the point in Labour existing? Standing up for the vulnerable in this country against the Tories while being lead by a bunch of abstainers?
 
And if he goes, what is the point in Labour existing? Standing up for the vulnerable in this country against the Tories while being lead by a bunch of abstainers?
How exactly is he standing up? He's fifty billion miles away from being in a position to make a difference.
 
How exactly is he standing up? He's fifty billion miles away from being in a position to make a difference.
Not really. If he wins a leadership contest and forces through party reform with a renewed mandate, he's arguably in a stronger position than ever.
 
As much as I don't like Corbyn I can't help thinking that this undermining of him has been planned since day one and they were just looking for a window of opportunity to do it, the Brexit vote being that opportunity. If he and Cameron had pushed their political differences to one side and shown more of a united front during the campaign then the Remain vote might have gotten over the line. I'm not sure why Corbyn wasn't more assertive in the run-up to the referendum - is it just that he isn't that assertive a person or is it because he's been a Euro-sceptic throughout much of his political career and by positioning himself on the Remain side he felt uncomfortable in that position?