Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Kaos said:
Leave would have taken those votes regardless of who the Labour leader was. You can thank Cameron and Osborne for their shambolic campaign and the government's austerity measures. But ultimately it was the xenophobes that clinched the win for leave, something no Labour leader could do anything about it.

You honestly think the outcome would have been different with establishment shills like Kendall or Miliband at the helm?
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Cheesy said:
As I said last night, Labour losses have feck all to do with Corbyn himself. This was happening back in 2015; it has been for a while. Corbyn isn't the problem, but he likely isn't a solution either.
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You two might be right but it's become clear he's not the man to turn Labour around.
His policies might be popular but the man himself isn't connecting with people.
I don't have any evidence but I'm pretty sure a charismatic, energetic leader of the Labour Party could have pulled the referendum in Remain's favour yesterday.
 
Adisa said:
You two might be right but it's become clear he's not the man to turn Labour around.
His policies might be popular but the man himself isn't connecting with people.
I don't have any evidence but I'm pretty sure a charismatic, energetic leader of the Labour Party could have pulled the referendum in Remain's favour yesterday.
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Right now, austerity is going to seriously hurt the working and middle classes, what labour needs to do is continue to fight on an anti-austerity platform as Corbyn has been doing, not give in to the charlatan vultures within the PLP who only care for their individual aspirations.

Replacing him with some Blairite drone would be a pointless regression at this stage.
 
Kaos said:
Right now, austerity is going to seriously hurt the working and middle classes, what labour needs to do is continue to fight on an anti-austerity platform as Corbyn has been doing, not give in to the charlatan vultures within the PLP who only care for their individual aspirations.

Replacing him with some Blairite drone would be a pointless regression at this stage.
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No, but he has been leader for two votes and failed both tests. And he has hideously let down the young people who overwhelmingly supported him in the leadership election by not securing a Remain vote. Perhaps no Labour leader could have done. But he was in the driver's seat and has to take the blame.
 
Untied said:
No, but he has been leader for two votes and failed both tests. And he has hideously let down the young people who overwhelmingly supported him in the leadership election by not securing a Remain vote. Perhaps no Labour leader could have done. But he was in the driver's seat and has to take the blame.
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Except he wasn't. He could have run the most spectacular of remain campaigns and the Bullingdon bros would have stilled fecked it up. Think you're scapegoating the wrong person out of bitterness.

What was the other vote he 'failed' in?
 
He's totally messed this up. He'll definitely be gone soon, not sure why he was chosen as he'll never be PM anyway.
 
He needs to feck off. Been a total failure & has no chance of uniting Labour or winning a General Election. I respect him on some matters, but he's no leader.
 
Kaos said:
Right now, austerity is going to seriously hurt the working and middle classes, what labour needs to do is continue to fight on an anti-austerity platform as Corbyn has been doing, not give in to the charlatan vultures within the PLP who only care for their individual aspirations.

Replacing him with some Blairite drone would be a pointless regression at this stage.
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Of course he botched it. His right hand man advocated for completely open borders months before the British people voted to leave the EU because of a fear of immigrants.
 
What a carve up this 'shocking' result was.
 
He supported the losing side, sure. He wasn't at the forefront of their campaign though. I don't believe his heart was fully in it, tbh. I also don't believe he could have done much to sway Labour brexiters to vote remain, no matter how much more vigorous he had been. This was cross-party.
 
DenisIrwin said:
He supported the losing side, sure. He wasn't at the forefront of their campaign though. I don't believe his heart was fully in it, tbh. I also don't believe he could have done much to sway Labour brexiters to vote remain, no matter how much more vigorous he had been. This was cross-party.
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Seriously? The vote was really close. It could have been swayed by a good Labour leader championing remain IMO.
 
Corbyn should go. I'm enough of lefty idealist to like everything he says but that's not the problem. The problem is he said feck all during this, despite the fact his mandate came from people who overwhelmingly wanted us to remain.
 
I really hope we don't go down the Blairite root again. We need to win back those working class that have been neglected for so many years under Blair.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Seriously? The vote was really close. It could have been swayed by a good Labour leader championing remain IMO.
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I don't think JC is a typical politician, in that he will be far less ready than most of them to campaign vigorously for something he doesn't strongly believe in.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Don't get too down about it. The truth is that we don't know what will transpire.
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We don't, I know. What I do know, however, is that my country has just chosen fear of immigration over all the sensible information telling us why we should remain. That's heartbreaking.
 
That vote was no close and with the no show from the Labour leade, you have to think a decent leader could have swung it.
 
The writing is on the wall for him. The young generation who made up most of his support have been let down and the MPs who were always sceptical have their perfect chance to remove him. I agree with his views on austerity and I like his way of politics which is not about image but of work. However he's not going to win an election so call time. Anti-Blairite leadership sounded great and Labour regardless had a lot of soul-searching to do but this leader has too much baggage to be successful.
 
When Scotland goes independent it won't matter who the Labour leader is, England will be a Tory nation.
 
Boycott said:
The writing is on the wall for him. The young generation who made up most of his support have been let down and the MPs who were always sceptical have their perfect chance to remove him. I agree with his views on austerity and I like his way of politics which is not about image but of work. However he's not going to win an election so call time. Anti-Blairite leadership sounded great and Labour regardless had a lot of soul-searching to do but this leader has too much baggage to be successful.
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I wonder if Cameron / the new leader will try and make the trident vote around conference season - just to rock the boat a bit more
 
Sadly, there's no place for politicians like Corbyn when borrowed slogans from cheesy movies can sway voters.
 
Xeno said:
When Scotland goes independent it won't matter who the Labour leader is, England will be a Tory nation.
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That doesn't mean Labour should accept this shit show. At no point since he was elected has he even put the government under decent pressure. Even good days are magnificently turned to a clusterfeck.
I have no issue with majority of his policies but we need a fecking decent opposition.
 
Xeno said:
When Scotland goes independent it won't matter who the Labour leader is, England will be a Tory nation.
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I'm not convinced even England will remain as a single nation in the long term - the polarised voting in the election demonstrates the huge North / South divide, and I'm not sure that is sustainable forever.
 
Adisa said:
That doesn't mean Labour should accept this shit show. At no point since he was elected has he even put the government under decent pressure. Even good days are magnificently turned to a clusterfeck.
I have no issue with majority of his policies but we need a fecking decent opposition.
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I agree. A strong Labour forces the Tories to move, however little, towards the centre/left, which is always good.
 
Adisa said:
That vote was no close and with the no show from the Labour leade, you have to think a decent leader could have swung it.
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Exactly what argument do you think would have won the people round though?

I tend to belive these people were already lost causes
 
SteveJ said:
Sadly, there's no place for politicians like Corbyn when borrowed slogans from cheesy movies can sway voters.
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There's no place for politicians like him anymore to succeed as leader when he has no history of working in a high ranking position and never made an attempt or had a pathway to get there.

His mandate and subsequent victory was circumstantial. Labour was at its lowest and the outsider gave a ton of hope. He's failed to practically reciprocate that support since all his past connections keep holding him back.

It's a travesty that Johnson may be our PM in a few months but he carefully planned his way to this position of strength.
 
His core of young supporters were let down terribly by his lukewarm campaigning to remain in the EU. He refused to share a platform with Cameron rather than showing a united front for remaining. He's an ineffective and generally clueless leader.
 
Don't think i'll ever vote for the guy if i'm honest.

I know what he was doing, trying to distance himself from the eventual result so whichever way it went he could claim he wasn't responsible for the outcome.
 
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