its hardly the new kind of politics he promised is it
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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Yup.
I dunno. I think its classic Corbyn.
Hold a viewpoint thats really sensible (Remain in the EU with a heavy heart in spite of its failings) but not get your voice heard in a debate that descended into flinging shit at each other, lying, and a 'who can be the biggest moron' competition. I don't believe he's got the capacity to scheme.
I think he's exactly the sort of politician the country needs them all to be, but the exact sort we can't have.
He should go now anyway. It was a nice try...
The silence from this bellend was deafening.
I dunno - Im sure I heard him say I'm 7 and a half out of 10 in favour of the EU
Not sure why he's getting the blame for this mind. Something like 70% of Labour voters backed remain vs 35% of Conservative voters. Liberals got 75%.
He has to go because every possible thing that can be used to undermine him from both outside and within the party is being used against him and it shows no sign of stopping. The situation is untenable. I'll be leaving too, regardless of who replaces him.
He has to go because every possible thing that can be used to undermine him from both outside and within the party is being used against him and it shows no sign of stopping. The situation is untenable. I'll be leaving too, regardless of who replaces him.
It's Labour tradition - deflect issues onto a particular figure or group to try and prevent the undeniable fact that the party is becoming increasingly irrelevant and pointless as time goes on. Past deflected figures/groups include Ed Miliband, the SNP, and Corbyn voters.
If that was true, then Remain would have won.
Yes indeed. It has turned me off the party entirely.
You all realise that if there's going to be another leadership contest he's probably going to walk it again.
The PLP are too thick to realise that putting in another establishment drone at the helm who will likely have been a super europhile will only sink them deeper into obscurity.
The PLP are too thick to realise that putting in another establishment drone at the helm who will likely have been a super europhile will only sink them deeper into obscurity.
What makes you say that?
I should clarify slightly by saying 70% of the turnout, not of all voters. But I've done a quick back of fag packet calculation (actually on excel) and the numbers roughly check out with the result.
will he get enough mp's to nominate him?
Anyway the race is on to see if they can replace him before Cameron goes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36621777
Watch a mild Blairite come in, talk about being slightly tougher about immigration while remaining welcoming and open in the lead-up to 2020, losing further inroads to the Northern heartlands that partly voted Leave, and then standing baffled at how their half-hearted message failed to come across. He'll then no doubt be punted for another new person, where the whole cycle is repeated.
I'd say the Labour party would be better off chucking it, but then that would involve them actually doing something decisive.
Not so sure anymore actually, I think this referendum result is going to push a lot of people away from politics for a while. Probably why they've picked this moment.
I think plenty will also be out off by Boris now so I'll prob change my support to a candidate who can win the middle ground the Tory party gave lost.
I'm very disillusioned with the party as a whole right now though
From my understanding he wont need to, since he'll likely be on the ballot by default.
Even our favorite war criminal admits as much: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ership-ballot-tony-blair-admits-a7009951.html
possibly - I don't think their is anything official but if Corbyn is on the ballot I think the only way to beat him is to have one candidate against him that others can coalesce around - possibly Dan Jarvis - that seems to be the person that would have the best chance of connecting with the voters they will need to win a future election (especially as there may not be any Scottish MP's)
Id vote for Jarvis as I think he could make the party a credible election prospect - though Im not sure he wants it?
Perhaps Eddie Izzard will stand for Jo Cox's seat and stand for leader- at least him and Boris in PMQ's would be watchable (though probably the lowest point in our democratic history)
What are Jarvis' credentials for being leader?
To be honest the only real Labour MP I've liked the sound of in this referendum is Chuka Umunna.
Are the odds of him being a labour candidate anytime soon slim? I don't know enough about GE stuff to know really...
Are the odds of him being a labour candidate anytime soon slim? I don't know enough about GE stuff to know really...
He had a puff piece in the Guardian a few days ago where he said he would stand for leader in the future 'if the opportunity arose'.
I have to be honest, I wasn't impressed with him last year, but was when he was being interviewed last night.
having charisma and not being a lamb to the slaughter for the conservatives / media in an election... which in fairness sounds like an improvement on what we have right now
He stood for about 5 minutes in the last leadership election, then withdrew because he didn't want his life to be laid open to the press, if I recall correctly. He found it very intrusive.
He did a good job on the radio last night. Mind you I found myself listening to Douglas Carswell and thinking he came across really well last night, which seems wrong.
He was very good in the last minute debate on Wednesday on C4. Don't know too much about him since before that but was very impressed with how he responded and held himself. Has such a clear way of speaking
Does he actually have charisma? He seems quite dull to me.
I think he should wait till Labour have a real shot at the GE.
Sharing a united front with the conservatives has permanently destroyed labour in Scotland and the SDP in Germany. He would have been fine of remain won but if he had teamed up he would be finished no matter the outcome.
There's no reasonably clear path out of this mess. Move one way, you get fecked by something elsewhere. UKIP will now turn into a european style populist right party that'll look to continue to eat into Labour in the north, Wales and the midlands on the back of anti-immigration sentiment. Scotland will almost certainly vote for independence (and I don't blame them). It's nigh on impossible at the moment to come up with a policy programme that appeals to Labour's former winning coalition.
I can just about see room for a single party comprised of the Libs, centrist and centre-left Labour, and Tory wets. Not all three.
I can just about see room for a single party comprised of the Libs, centrist and centre-left Labour, and Tory wets. Not all three.
Kinnock .Latest to endorse no confidence in Corbyn.
Sharing a united front with Cameron on an issue that Scotland was also united in support of?
You have to admire politicians ability to stab someone in the back. Hodge went on national TV and threw hi into the river 
Yes, the already flimsy divisions (in the mind of the electorate) between labour and conservatives broke further and led to the labour vote splitting between snp (labour leave + labour leftists) and conservatives(labour right wing+ labour remain).
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@sun_tzu You got any speeches where you'd say Jarvis is charismatic that you can link? I'm not trying to be glib - genuinely interested.
Caroline Flint made a very good point. There could very well be a GE next year. Under the current leadership, Labour would be heading for a disaster.
Caroline Flint has been trying to undermine the man since Day 0, she's just being opportunistic at the moment.
She's actually saying that she thinks under half of Labour voters voted remain, which is very, very unlikely considering the final margin of victory for leave. The Yougov estimate of 69% tallies quite well with the margin.
It's also a bit rich coming from her when her own constituency voted overwhelmingly for Leave. She can't be very good herself, if we're going by her own standards.
To borrow from a Redditor:
"Blaming all of our problems on Corbyn and getting rid of him with no idea about what to do next would be like blaming all of our problems on the EU and getting out with no plan on what to do next - a very bad idea."
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Don't have time for her. But her point still stands. An election could come as soon as next year. Labour are far from ready.
They are far from ready but spineless arseholes like her have more than their fair share of the blame to take and wouldn't ever dream of doing so.
Almost 100,000 people signed a declaration of confidence for Corbyn: https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/a-vote-of-confidence-in-jeremy-corbyn-after-brexit
If they want to put forward a leadership contest he's winning it.
If they want to put forward a leadership contest he's winning it.
I just signed that with a completely fake name, email address and postcode. Not entirely convincing that those 100,000 are individual paid up members of the Labour party.
I know Labour are in bad shape, but the Tories seem like they're self imploding too. I don't think all these things could happen, but if NI and Scotland beome independent for independence and Boris becomes the PM, I'm not sure a Conservative government for a sustained period of time is a certainty.