Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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You can see why he spent the last week trying to prevent Benn being able to speak in the debate now.
What are the odds on Hilary Benn leading Labour into the next election? With the other moderate candidates having chosen to maintain a relatively low profile, yesterday evening's Commons speech could potentially be a defining moment.
Very doubtful he'd win a leadership bid unfortunately, not with the current membership as it is. Not sure anyone who was pro-airstrikes today would have a chance.
Though that said, he's now favourite with the bookies!
Won't happen, most of the Labour membership sees him as a traitor now.
Very few Labour members would vote for him now, Tories applauding him is the worst thing that could possibly have happened to him.
Not just the membership that he disagrees with in this case, he's also in a minority of the PLP.
But if Corbyn is at some point deposed, mightn't the £3ers pack up their toys and go play elsewhere? Alternatively they'll elect McDonnell or Abbott as leader, in which case the Labour Party will have eaten itself quite to death.
If Corbyn packs it in, the hard left won't be able to get another candidate on the ballot for his replacement. The only thing stopping a coup immediately is that it's still legally uncertain whether Corbyn would automatically be on the ballot. The problem for Benn would be more that a soft-left candidate who voted against strikes (Lisa Nandy would be one potential candidate) would carry a lot more sway with the membership. Screw it though, I'd vote for him (assuming I'm allowed to rejoin :P )
Most left wing members of the public know their only chance of being properly represented is through the Labour Party, so no, I think most £3ers would simply elect the next left wing candidate as a feck you to the Tristram's, Dancuk's and the Chuka's of the Labour party. Corbyn has to stay till 2020 now because otherwise the Labour party will split and enter a serious downward spiral.
People keep saying stuff like this but Corbyn would have won without the £3ers. He got 49.5% of the vote from standard members in the first round.
What I expect would happen is that no lefties get enough nominations from the PLP so there won't even be one for the members to vote for. Still can't see the membership voting for Benn though, especially if there's any bad press from the war in Syria.
Benn's more likely to win a Nobel Peace Prize after that speech than become leader.
Benn's taken a monumental risk at this point, if this campaign fails then its not just his potential leadership prospects that's at stake.
Or alternatively, of course, the moderates could use their brains, get organised and do what Corbyn's campaign did so brilliantly and change the electorate to suit themselves. All surveys show the Labour vote is far more moderately inclined that the membership, so they should be far more of their efforts into getting a great deal more of that overall vote signed up as £3ers. Use the rules to your advantage.
The moment a British bomb hits a Syrian child, Benn will become the focus of the left's anger. Incredibly bold move of his to speak against Corbyn so blatantly.
Good point, but as you say that would leave the recent arrivals with no-one to turn to.
Were not £3ers as the fuel behind what was Corbynmania though? Without the involvement of these born again Labour supporters the campaign might've run out of steam.
He's certainly going to have buckle up, Jon Snow was making him feel pretty uncomfortable yesterday with some pretty piercing questions:
Rightly so. With every hostage killed by ISIS, Corbyn would be linked to it. Taking a position on this issue has to carry a cost.
Hard to say but the fact is 'Corbynmania' has already happened, getting rid of £3 members isn't going to change that.
Good post. Most of us are trying to listen and weigh up risk the best we can, the guys that are certain either way, those are ones I tend to disregard.
A genuinely heartbreaking thought. But still, our streets are safer today than they were yesterday (LOL).
A party that have been fielding candidates against Labour now believe with Corbyn in charge they have the authority to demand MPs taking part in a free vote should be deselected. I kindly tell them to feck off.
Just gave Benn's speech a listen, and it's admittedly very good. I don't necessarily agree with his stance, but he comes across as someone who has put clear thought into what he's doing, and understands the gravity of what he's voting for, whilst also being able to maintain a sense of respect for those who are voting against. Came across as very professional on a day where many Tories managed to look like childish arseholes having a good laugh about the whole thing, and in a week where Cameron has shown he'll sink to any depths in order to benefit his own position.
Heidi Alexander? Oh no she was my shame wank 
Wouldn't this just increase that shame? Win win.Heidi Alexander? Oh no she was my shame wank
Demonstrations infront of some labor MPs homes. Sad sight.
Maybe we should all just vote for Hilary Benn to be the next PM so we can have the comic effect of Hilary as the President and PM.
Pretty sure that's @Jippy's justification for his collection of Diane Abbott erotic fan-fiction, at any rate.Every cloud
Quite a few MP's are saying it was Benn's speech that changed their mind. I'd love to know exactly what changed their mind "hes right these guys are fascist bad like Hitler, we should bomb them. Sod all the issues we've heard today. Fascists!"
The Labour party is currently dive bombing into the abyss because of Corbyn. The by-election in Oldham West and Royton will give us an good indicator of just how bad it is.
Typical hard left, stop the war................by intimidation.
I have actually seen a disturbing pic of her mocked up as some morbidly obese bed-ridden woman. It has a somewhat offensive caption, so maybe best not to post.
Was brilliant, hell of a lot of pressure on him and it was flawless in delivery and tone.
By-election result later, I think it'll probably end up being a fairly comfortable win, just have to see how much UKIP has eaten away at support.
By-election result later, I think it'll probably end up being a fairly comfortable win, just have to see how much UKIP has eaten away at support.
Interesting that the best speech in favour of bombing seems to have come from a Labour man (Hilary Benn) while the best against came from a Tory (David Davis).
Actually I havent seen all the speeches so I cant say that with any certainty at all. But they were both very good speeches.
Actually I havent seen all the speeches so I cant say that with any certainty at all. But they were both very good speeches.
That honour goes to Margaret Beckett for me. Her speech was much more considered and sounded less like a daily mail article "FASCISTS".
Benn had been lined up as the opposition to Corbyn so it's no suprise the media and anti-corbyn crowd think it was the greatest political speech of our time. I'm sure they couldn't tell you why though.
Infact I just checked the odds gone from 20/1 a week ago (when I put some money on him) to 5/2 ...
I think Im a bad by election and bad Scottish election away from making a couple of grand... just hope the Government start the trident stuff soon - that should just about seal the deal
It was a coherent, fluid and oratorically powerfully summation of the best arguments in favour whilst acknowledging the doubts that exist. Beckett had a more forensic counter argument, Farron was more pure of emotion (those warmongering Lib Dems! Oh wait...), Jarvis was more tightly focused on the fascism and internationalism argument, but Benn's combined them all really well into a single piece. So no, it wasn't people just deciding to like it for the anti-Corbyn lol. Just like I'm sure the people not liking it today aren't doing so purely out of bitterness it showed up Corbyn's earlier mess.
I think as well it was obvious there was going to be increased focus on him... so credit to him for delivering under the extra pressure