Giggsyking
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In the past I have made my views on Jeremy Corbyn pretty clear.
Nevertheless, he is many orders of magnitude a better politician and person than the chancer Farage. He is a divisive individual who is just taking the piss out of those gullible enough to even contemplate voting for him.
That's very fecking obvious, to the point where it doesn't need saying really.
I felt the need to post it mate because both were on the TV last night and to be honest I actually felt a bit sorry for Jeremy because he looked pretty frail.
Anyway, I have said it now.
That makes more sense, but not a good start by 'Red Collective', with his tagline 'Ste, Politically left, Consistently right'. He might benefit from a mate proof-reading for him.11 executive committee members - including the chair. 61 further delegates, ward organisers and the like.
That makes more sense, but not a good start by 'Red Collective', with his tagline 'Ste, Politically left, Consistently right'. He might benefit from a mate proof-reading for him.
Corbyn obviously has a lot of local support, if he wins he deserves it.
Decent set of signatures though - looks to be quite a lot of the local hierarchy.
That makes more sense, but not a good start by 'Red Collective', with his tagline 'Ste, Politically left, Consistently right'. He might benefit from a mate proof-reading for him.
He is is IslingtonHe is Islington
Glad he kept his seat. It's nice to see people with moral values in the UK parliament.
Real classy, slagging off a former lover in public. Unless she told Pavlou in confidence, in which case he's the arsehole. Both of them being arseholes is also a distinct possibility of course.
To be fair the old London cemeteries are good places to walk round.Highgate cemetery bangs so I approve of it as a date choice.
Ironically it'd appear Jeremy didn't after visiting.Highgate cemetery bangs so I approve of it as a date choice.
Ironically it'd appear Jeremy didn't after visiting.
Ironically it'd appear Jeremy didn't after visiting.
Aye they're lovely.To be fair the old London cemeteries are good places to walk round.
Not really, does it bother you Kamala Harris's father is a Marxist? Or Trump is morally corrupt, lying, cheating, narcissistic, self obsessed compulsive liar who has been accused of selling state secrets and making deals with foreign leaders? That his son in law got paid 2.1 billion after leaving a position he had no experience or right to be in and did nothing while there? Or his daughter securing $600 million in trademark deals from the Chinese government?Does it not worry you that a former leader of the opposition holds Karl Marx in high esteem?
It's not Marx's political ideology that is concerning, more the overtures that he believed that the only way to achieve them was through violence and physical uprisings.
Not to say that Corbyn believed any of those things, but I certainly wouldn't visit someone's grave who did believe those things, no matter how much I agree with their political leanings.
Does it not worry you that a former leader of the opposition holds Karl Marx in high esteem?
It's not Marx's political ideology that is concerning, more the overtures that he believed that the only way to achieve them was through violence and physical uprisings.
Not to say that Corbyn believed any of those things, but I certainly wouldn't visit someone's grave who did believe those things, no matter how much I agree with their political leanings.
Not really, does it bother you Kamala Harris's father is a Marxist? Or Trump is morally corrupt, lying, cheating, narcissistic, self obsessed compulsive liar who has been accused of selling state secrets and making deals with foreign leaders? That his son in law got paid 2.1 billion after leaving a position he had no experience or right to be in and did nothing while there? Or his daughter securing $600 million in trademark deals from the Chinese government?
Corbyn is a socialist, and a pacifist, he's made that clear numerous times with his speeches and approach towards conflicts and policy ideas. He is a scholar of history and politics and has also said many times he thought Marx was a great economist. He was for unilateral nuclear disarmament and has often said he's an idealist. Some of his policies were considered Conservative by many, especially his views on austerity with regards to stabilising the economy. He has also said on numerous occasions he does not support violent protests and thinks they don't work towards achieving political change, only causing more divisions with those who don't share the views of the protesters.
So no, it doesn't worry me. What worries me more is the hate campaign against him and the lies and false accusations made against him in order to force him out.
I think these would have bothered me more than a person trying to get elected, but who knows what's worse!
British Army 'could stage mutiny under Corbyn', says senior serving general
Generals would not 'allow a prime minister to jeopardise the security of the UK'
Video shows British troops firing at Jeremy Corbyn poster
Does it not worry you that a former leader of the opposition holds Karl Marx in high esteem?
It's not Marx's political ideology that is concerning, more the overtures that he believed that the only way to achieve them was through violence and physical uprisings.
Not to say that Corbyn believed any of those things, but I certainly wouldn't visit someone's grave who did believe those things, no matter how much I agree with their political leanings.
Sorry but I fail to see what Trump has to do with this? And having a father who believes one thing is very different than visiting the grave of the same said person. And the answer to the last two is clearly Yes, and yes? Trump and Kushner are two of the slimiest cnuts in the history of modern politics but like, what does Trump have anything to do with this? I'm very confused.
Well, what I bolded in what you said regarding nuclear policy is enough of a deal breaker for me and plenty of other people. No lies or smears and understanding that there were hit campaigns against him will change the fact that based on the bolded alone, many people won't vote for him.
Even if most of the allegations wasn't true, his optics and lack of understanding of perception is awful. The fact remains, even if he didn't actually hold the stances he viewed, the callous way he said certain things and the circle he kept close showed a severe degree of incompetency that rendered him unfit for the highest position, in my opinion.
Surrounding himself with figures like Seamus Milne, Andrew Murray, Len Mcluskey and McDonnell. McDonnell serious confounds me, he was heading into a G.E and decided to do a speech at an event next to a flag praising Stalin and a portrait of Chairman Mao. That's just such bad optics, even if he didn't intend to. And he chose a Director of Communications who wrote a book defending the Stasi in Seamus Milne.
He did indeed get attacked by right wing media, but he also didn't help himself in any way shape or form by surrounding himself with absolute cranks that indeed had a very checkered past.
You can't be a socialist without admiring Karl Marx. You can be one without admiring specific communist leaders, but Marx was an economist and a historian, he didn't design any systems or commit any atrocities. And before you damn him for his beliefs about methods, remember what the world and the state of worker rights looked like when he was thinking about these things.
A lot of fair criticism was aimed against him no doubt, and unilateral disarmament is his idealism shining through yet clearly not practical or achievable.
I didn't say he was perfect, but the way he was treated wasn't fair and the fact is the current Labour Party is more aligned with Blair's centrist party and has moved, even tried to distance itself from it's true left core values. That was a tactic to get elected by Blair and is the same again now. Jeremy for all of his faults at least held many core values more aligned with traditional Labour voters but sadly was often too radical and inconsistent.
Ultimately he became a liability who couldn't be trusted with many voters just sick and tired with the constant negative accusations and stories surrounding him. Sadly it seems Kier is facing the same problem after just over 2 months as Prime minister. As far as the UK goes, I've never seen as much hate and venom directed at someone so early after their election win as Kier has and is facing. Even Liz Truss didn't get this much.
I apologise, I started the whataboutism.
I'd actually argue Engels did more to actually bring the theoretical side of things to life, but I understand why Marx is more respected; Engel's work is very unaccessible, much more behind the scenes are his writing style is quite possibly one of the worst I have ever tried to comprehend.
Not really. It isn't like he was Prime Minister. Nigel Farage was an NF sympathiser and remains influential. That bothers me much more.Does it not worry you that a former leader of the opposition holds Karl Marx in high esteem?
It's not Marx's political ideology that is concerning, more the overtures that he believed that the only way to achieve them was through violence and physical uprisings.
Not to say that Corbyn believed any of those things, but I certainly wouldn't visit someone's grave who did believe those things, no matter how much I agree with their political leanings.
Precisely this. I don't ever envisage a hypothetical PM Corbyn sending us to gulags and starving millions of us to death, despite him sharing an admiration for a pivotal historical figure alongside some of the 20th century despots. A bit like how I'm not concerned that my lovely elderly neighbour has a 'Christ is king' sticker on her car bonnet, despite Jesus being idolised by the same MAGA neo-fascists who seem oblivious to his virtues.Not really. It isn't like he was Prime Minister. Nigel Farage was an NF sympathiser and remains influential. That bothers me much more.
(1)Does it not worry you that a former leader of the opposition holds Karl Marx in high esteem?
(2)It's not Marx's political ideology that is concerning, more the overtures that he believed that the only way to achieve them was through violence and physical uprisings.
(3)Not to say that Corbyn believed any of those things, but I certainly wouldn't visit someone's grave who did believe those things, no matter how much I agree with their political leanings.
Why are we resorting to whataboutism?
The above is also an absolute shit-show, yes and the people involved should have been court-martialled and jailed.
EDIT - Take back the sentence above, having actually read beyond the headline.
The general actually said, "If Corbyn tries to dismantle and shrink the armed forces, scrap trident or pull out of NATO, we'd all mass resign which is in essence a mutiny"
Way different from what the title implied. Nice try though.
Stand by what I said though, Troops firing at a Corbyn poster should be court martialled.