Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

The Boy said:
You're right, but you could reduce it by a month or so. For example the electoral commission doesn't necessarily need 12 weeks to test the question, you could also change the campaigning period at the moment it is a minimum of 10 weeks (that includes campaigns to the electoral commission for official designation), but laws can be amended when the legislation for a referendum is put to parliament, parliament agrees the date, timings etc with each referendum.

But it doesn't matter Boris just says we propose to do this, if the EU only give an extension up until the end of Jan 2020 (which is the best guess at the moment) parliament could easily vote to make sure we had a referendum before then Then we have GE and Ref in December just before Xmas.

To be fair we've only had 3 in my life time 1975 on EEC membership, 2011 on PR and of course 2016 and each time the rules have been different. You never know it could happen, predicting anything is impossible at the moment, events change everything so quickly!
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true... that said im fairly confident in predicting that the question would be deemed by most people to be unfair
eg 2 part question or not
2 options or more
simply the option that gets the most in a milti option vote or single transferable
what the actual options would be?
As i say i suspect given there are so many options I suspect whatever option is picked will be in the vast majority of peoples eyes the wrong question... and no doubt it will be a close result and this will be used by whichever side looses to reject the validity of the result

I think we should just draw a line down the middle of the country and if you want to be in europe move to the west and if you want to leave move to the east (or vice versa as nodoubt remain and leave would even fall out over that)... its crazy and unworkable but hey most of the other ideas seem to be
 
The Boy said:
The difficulty is for Labour that in it's top 45 target seats (they need to gain 64 to get a majority) only 10 voted remain and 35 voted leave. All the seats they need are Tory held at the moment, some by the thinnest of margins (Southampton Itchen 35 con majority!)

If Corbyn comes out pro remain, you could likely say good bye to the chances of a Labour govt, they could actually end up losing seats for example Dudley North has a Lab majority of just 22, but the constituency was 70.1% leave at the referendum, Labour held onto it at the last election as they campaigned on a leave manifesto. If they come out as remain they lose that.

They may win some SNP seats in Scotland, but to win or to even come close enough to form a coalition with the SNP or Lib Dems they need to win Tory seats in England and Wales and that's not likely on a remain platform.

This is why they have been so opaque about what their Brexit policy is
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This view has been rather debunked by a few of the polling academic types. See thread below.

 
Corbyn warns Prime Minister: General election is coming

Jeremy Corbyn has warned Boris Johnson that a general election “is coming”, but not on the Prime Minister’s terms, as the Labour leader effectively launched his campaign for an election he is yet to vote for.

Mr Corbyn threatened to
“unleash the biggest people-powered campaign we’ve ever seen” when addressing union members at the TUC Congress in Brighton on Tuesday.

He accused the PM of “running away from scrutiny” on the first day of Parliament’s contentious shutdown as the Brexit clock ticks down.

The speech came after Labour led the way to inflict yet another defeat on the Prime Minister by blocking his second call for a general election in the Commons.

Opposition leaders have not supported the votes, which needed the backing of two-thirds of MPs, because they fear an election could be used to force through a no-deal Brexit.

Mr Corbyn told union members: “No-one can trust the word of a Prime Minister who is threatening to break the law to force through no deal.

“So a general election is coming. But we won’t allow Johnson to dictate the terms.

“And I can tell you this: We’re ready for that election. We’re ready to unleash the biggest people-powered campaign we’ve ever seen.”

Mr Corbyn recommitted to a second referendum on Brexit, which he said would include a “credible option to Leave” as well as Remain.

He also accused the PM of cosying up to President Donald Trump to get a “one-sided” trade deal with the US which would damage employment rights, the NHS and UK industry.

“A no-deal Brexit is really a Trump-deal Brexit,” he said.

He accused Mr Johnson of “hijacking the referendum result to shift even more power and wealth to those at the top”, as he painted the Tory leader and his Cabinet as “the establishment”.

Mr Corbyn also launched a series of policies on employment rights, vowing to put power “in the hands of workers”.
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MadMike said:


Do you now you see how ridiculous the position you were holding was?
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Not as ridiculous as you dragging up posts from weeks ago that any sane person would have erased from their memory :lol: but anyway, it means nothing, because the Lib Dems have zero chance of becoming the largest party and thus their policy will to all intents and purposes remain as it was. That is, backing a second referendum and campaigning for Remain. It's like Corbyn saying Labour's policy is a second referendum but if the Conservatives and Brexit Party fail to win a single seat then he'll revoke Article 50 as well.
 
EwanI Ted said:
This view has been rather debunked by a few of the polling academic types. See thread below.

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The conclusions of that seem to be to win votes off other remain parties (better to do an alliance), hope non-voters now vote (these tend to be leavers) and erm it's not all brexit.

I really don't see how it debunks what was stated at all. Labour will lose leave seats if they're not careful and the vast majority of Tory remain votes will go to the Lib Dems.
 
MadMike said:
Which part of that says what they’d do in power and contradicts the post you quoted? Are you having severe comprehension issues?
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If you think the Lib Dems will win the next general election then the comprehension issue lies with you. Look again at the stance clarified by the Lib Dems in my previous post to you. This is the only likely influence they could have.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
If you think the Lib Dems will win the next general election then the comprehension issue lies with you. Look again at the stance clarified by the Lib Dems in my previous post to you. This is the only likely influence they could have.
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I never said Lib Dems will win the next election. But thank you for confirming that arguing with you would be a waste of time for both of us.
 
BobbyManc said:
Not as ridiculous as you dragging up posts from weeks ago that any sane person would have erased from their memory :lol: but anyway, it means nothing, because the Lib Dems have zero chance of becoming the largest party and thus their policy will to all intents and purposes remain as it was. That is, backing a second referendum and campaigning for Remain. It's like Corbyn saying Labour's policy is a second referendum but if the Conservatives and Brexit Party fail to win a single seat then he'll revoke Article 50 as well.
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That's an interesting way of saying "I was talking bollocks but never mind"
 
Smores said:
The conclusions of that seem to be to win votes off other remain parties (better to do an alliance), hope non-voters now vote (these tend to be leavers) and erm it's not all brexit.

I really don't see how it debunks what was stated at all. Labour will lose leave seats if they're not careful and the vast majority of Tory remain votes will go to the Lib Dems.
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The point is that "leave seats" is a misleading term. They aren't comprised of 100% leave voters and the idea that Labour being more open to Leave will give them net more votes in those seats is simply in ignorance of how the voting in those seats actually breaks down.
 
Surely if labour come out as completely pro-remain they’re bound to win a brave few seats in England? Do some kind of deal with the Lib Dems and give the SNP a free run at Scotland where they’ll likely clean up. Bound to be able to form a government between the 3
 
sullydnl said:
So if you're a remainer for whom Brexit is the #1 issue dictating your voting preference in a general election, why would you now opt for Labour over the LibDems?

That's a genuine question btw. I'm curious as to how Labour will attract remain votes away from a party who have now said they support the revocation of Article 50.
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Only reason would be that the Lib Dems aren’t actually gonna get enough support to do anything worthwhile so it might seem like a wasted vote. Well that and they are the Lib Dems so feck em.
 
MadMike said:
I never said Lib Dems will win the next election. But thank you for confirming that arguing with you would be a waste of time for both of us.
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Agreed. You have been considering what would happen if Lib Dems become the largest party. You certainly live up to your username.
 
Oh look Watson doing something controversial so he's in the news.

You never fecking see him in parliament or elsewhere but wait for a opening to be contradictory and there he is.

His position is ridiculous there's no government that has a mandate to sit in the time a referendum would take.
 
Smores said:
Oh look Watson doing something controversial so he's in the news.

You never fecking see him in parliament or elsewhere but wait for a opening to be contradictory and there he is.

His position is ridiculous there's no government that has a mandate to sit in the time a referendum would take.
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Johnson on the ropes, the opposition parties largely united against no deal and successfully cooperating in parliament and Watson thinks now's the time to show some pointless disunity? What a self-centered twat.
 
Raulduke said:
Johnson on the ropes, the opposition parties largely united against no deal and successfully cooperating in parliament and Watson thinks now's the time to show some pointless disunity? What a self-centered twat.
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...And Labour at mid 20s in the polls, mustn't forget that.
 
Raulduke said:
Johnson on the ropes, the opposition parties largely united against no deal and successfully cooperating in parliament and Watson thinks now's the time to show some pointless disunity? What a self-centered twat.
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Unity on Brexit went out the window some time ago to be fair. The Shadow Chancellor, Shadow Home Sec and Shadow Foreign Sec would all campaign against Labour's Brexit deal in a referendum, last I saw.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
So Corbyn is still convinced he is going to get a better deal .
Everyone laughs at Johnson because he's going to solve the backstop. Haha.
What magical power does Corbyn have. Remembering he's going to stop FoM and the UK can do their own deals. Haha.

They are both a joke.
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Corbyn actually cares what happens to people. The others don't.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
So Corbyn is still convinced he is going to get a better deal .
Everyone laughs at Johnson because he's going to solve the backstop. Haha.
What magical power does Corbyn have. Remembering he's going to stop FoM and the UK can do their own deals. Haha.

They are both a joke.
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I think Labour policy is Corbyn will obtain a better deal and then campaign against it. I just don't know what to say, it's beyond parody.
 


Wow, they've got him this time.

Seriously hope we see more of this in the run up to the election. People might actually start waking the feck up as to what the agenda is judging by the comments under that.
 
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EXCLUSIVE: Commie Corbyn has sit-down sex with innocent cat
 
CassiusClaymore said:


Wow, they've got him this time.

Seriously hope we see more of this in the run up to the election. People might actually start waking the feck up as to what the agenda is judging by the comments under that.
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It's been well known for decades that Corbyn and McDonnell were IRA sympathisers at the time and essentially Republicans.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
So Corbyn is still convinced he is going to get a better deal .
Everyone laughs at Johnson because he's going to solve the backstop. Haha.
What magical power does Corbyn have. Remembering he's going to stop FoM and the UK can do their own deals. Haha.

They are both a joke.
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Corbyn is utterly incompetant and has been an absolute disaster for the country. Any other political leader in opposition would have set out strongly a position on Brexit and completely slaughtered the Tories who have been an absolute shambles. Labour have been just as much a shambles as the Tories. We have somehow managed to get the two most incompetant political leaders in the two most powerful positions in the UK Parliament.
 
balaks said:
Corbyn is utterly incompetant and has been an absolute disaster for the country. Any other political leader in opposition would have set out strongly a position on Brexit and completely slaughtered the Tories who have been an absolute shambles. Labour have been just as much a shambles as the Tories. We have somehow managed to get the two most incompetant political leaders in the two most powerful positions in the UK Parliament.
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Who for example ?
 
Sweet Square said:
Who for example ?
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Anybody - literally anybody. The fact is his message has been all over the place, totally incoherant and he has failed to offer up Labour as a viable alternative to the Tories on the biggest political issue of this generation. It is hard to think of any leader of any opposition in the last 30 years who would not have been able to at least have a clear message and see the opportunity. It's like having the biggest open goal in history and then failing to kick the ball. It is unforgivable and he is just as guilty as the Tories at causing this mess.
 
balaks said:
Anybody - literally anybody. The fact is his message has been all over the place, totally incoherant and he has failed to offer up Labour as a viable alternative to the Tories on the biggest political issue of this generation. It is hard to think of any leader of any opposition in the last 30 years who would not have been able to at least have a clear message and see the opportunity. It's like having the biggest open goal in history and then failing to kick the ball. It is unforgivable and he is just as guilty as the Tories at causing this mess.
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:lol:

@Dobba

Heard this one before ?
 
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If you think Corbyn is just as guilty as the Tories then you're a fecking idiot who deserves no deal brexit. Shame about the rest of us.
 
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