Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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Yeah... She's actually my MP... Though no longer a member of the party I was at her house after her speech for drinks... Me and the wife are going out for dinner with her in a couple of weeks and trust me I think I know well enough that that is not the only factor in her thinking... The threats of deselection the bairite and red Tory stuff has been pretty vile as well
I left that local party after people without the slightest clue about economica and business thought all Policies could be reduced to ooooh Jeremy Corbyn.... She should have left years ago... I'm glad she finally has and I hope she will be pursuaded to stand Adam independent
Ah fair enough. (Although threats of deselection aren't actually a bad thing).
Why does she find it utterly offensive ? Just going on by who she wanted as Labour leader she clearly is on the right, no ? I only ask this because there seems to be people out there who put forward centre/right ideas but get very annoyed and shocked when called out to be blairites/right wingers.
Considering the example you gave of basically telling a bunch of left wing/socialist that they don't understand economics and business and then storming off. Would you find the term Blairite a offensive or inaccurate term to describe your politics ?
I really don’t know enough about Gloria’s politics to have a clue whether threats of deselection are fair. I am a firm believer in the democratisation of candidate selection though and there are certainly a number of MP’s I would deselect in a heartbeat. Wes Streeting would probably be top of the list.
It’s funny you should mention policies. The political centre (and the right to be fair) has been an absolute policy void in recent memory. I struggle to think of a single bright idea... other than ‘stop Brexit’, what do they actually want for the future of this country? The status quo clearly isn’t working for millions of people which is partly why we are in the Brexit mess we are.
I think electoral reform should be a pretty major strand of all centrist parties but aside from the lib Dems it's certainly lacking
I do wonder if brexit finally being done will allow the interest in a new generation of politics to be harnessed but I'm too cynical to see anything beyond all the tribalism and whataboutism simply dragging over to trade talks and the next decade or so being dominated by brexit
Corbynistas calling centrists right wing is as logical as ukippers saying Tories are left wing... Meh echo chambers etc
As for the idiot I reference... He said momentum will stop big international companies making profit by increasing corporation tax... He didn't quite seem to understand that corporation tax is only due on profit... But I was told not to worry they would just make the tax 100%... Frankly at that point I thought I'm pulling my contributions because idiots like this are doing to break the party
Er....what ?
I don't think its about echo chambers more about what people actually mean when they call themselves left wing. Not to go down a massive rabbit hole but what you do consider to be the political left ? Is it like Gloria and being in the Labour Party ?
I'm just trying to find out how someone who wanted the likes of David Milband and Liz Kendall (Kendall literally ran as a blairite in 2015)as labour leaders can be shocked at being called centrist/centre right ? (Her actual voting record from I've seen is more centre left, so its odd that she backs right wingers to be party leaders).
At best I give no more than a £10 a month, there are far better ways to waste my money.
I selected a new poll which happened to show labour behind... to show that the poster who posted a new poll as evidence labour was about pull ahead now, was wrong.
But since you wanted more polling data, what does the Britain elects poll aggregator show? It shows labour a mere 2 points ahead of the Tories ie a lead within the margin of error. That’s anything but an endorsement of corbyns “leadership” especially at this point in the cycle, under these circumstances.
I think you may be overstating ‘the cycle’ at present day given absolutely nothing about British politics has been BAU in several years. I don’t really envisage a scenario where we re-run the last 3 years with a different Labour Party and the same Brexit issue and Labour are miles ahead of where they are now.
If there is a solid Labour leader knocking about they’ve not yet made themselves known anyway.
If there is a solid Labour leader knocking about they’ve not yet made themselves known anyway.
Even if they’d followed almost exactly the same Brexit policy with a different leader, they’d likely be well ahead. Whether or not you think it’s fair or not, Corbyn is extremely unpopular in ways that previous leaders haven’t been (since about Kinnock anyway).
The issue is that any left wing replacement for Corbyn would get vilified in exactly the same way he has been. How long before we'd be talking about their popularity and whether it was time for another change? If McDonnell was the leader of the party for instance, how long before the media start bashing him every single day?
Even a young popular MP like Laura Pidcock has started to get the treatment this week. Various MP's on the right of the party starting to criticise her and the media would do exactly the same. Essentially it's a battle for the future of the party and where it will stand politically. Letting the media bully them into New Labour style centrism can't be allowed happen.
The same McDonnell who thought it was a good idea to chuck Mao Zedong's Little Red Book at George Osbourne and tell him to read it? Presumably the media would be rightly bashing him with immediate effect. The man's worse than Corbyn.
You have to get up pretty late in the day for George fecking Osbourne to have the wits to zing you in the HoC.
Wasn't that a reference to the tory government close relationship to CCP ?
No one should make jokes in the Hoc as they never work and satire with animals isn't really satire anyway. But the Mcdonnell joke was actual pretty decent, all things considering.
Well substitute McDonnell for any left wing Labour MP... it doesn't matter. Anybody standing on a similar policy platform to Corbyn will get vilified. Same thing happening to the left wing Democrats in the US right now.
People who think just changing Corbyn is any sort of solution to that are deluding themselves.
Done ok for himself since leaving politics.
What I found most dis-tastefull about him was the sheer pleasure he took from his austerity policy. He seemed to orgasm at the cuts he was making.
Yet another failed policy from the nasty party. Balancing the books has been well and truly kicked into touch and I note that in June of this year, we had to borrow a record amount, partly due to interest payments on our increasing borrowing.
Oh well. At least we are all in it together....
Any actual substance to back that claim up because it reads as utter nonsense? He might poll as unpopular but it really doesn't seem to have impacted voting considering the last election and that the drop off has only come with the delayed brexit.
That's..the substance. His poll figures for an opposition leader have been historically unpopular.
The last election (and its immediate aftermath) were just about the only times where he wasn't polling extremely negatively, thereby largely backing up that assertion. And even then he wasn't exactly popular, which is important to remember since he still didn't actually win in 2017. Indeed, his comeback to muster a respectable defeat was largely impressive because he had been so unpopular beforehand. Now he's slid back to those figures, sometimes coming out even worse.
His "comeback" was also against a backdrop of one of the worst election campaigns in modern memory.
And he lost
Absolutely. I bet there were strangely mixed feelings within the more sensible parts of the left leaning electorate. On the positive side the Tories reduced their numbers of seats and Labour made gains. On the negative side that gave the incompetent Corbyn ammunition to stay in his post for a few more years.
A few years ago when Corbyn came onto the scene I quite liked him. A breath of fresh air from the usual politicians etc... I think he had more than a few of them quite rattled. Unfortunately the last two years he has made a complete cock up of things, at a time where having a competent opposition was more vital than it has been in decades.
It isn't the substance, the substance is votes for the Labour party not some popularity poll.
Analysis after analysis has shown current polling is about Brexit and not much more. The idea that Labour would be massively ahead with the same policy and a different leader is short sighted. Both major parties have lost votes to single issue parties and it's not because of the likability of May/Corbyn.
He’s failed completely to win over the electorate to his policy. A charismatic leader might (and yes it’s a big might) have been able to have done that without making both leavers and remainers feel betrayed by his prevarication. He didn’t seem to even bother to be selling a vision to either side, he just put his head down, endlessly waffled on about another general election, and left no-one any clearer about what he actually believes in or wants to happen.
Now we just come to our own conclusions, which for many of us on the Remain side (which also makes up the bulk of his membership let’s not forget) is that he’s a leave supporter who doesn’t give a damn about preventing a chaotic Brexit as long as we end up out.
Oh christ! Not another one who believe this shite.
He’s fought tooth and nail every step of the way to avoid fully backing a second referendum, even when polling showed his own party fully behind it. So if you think he’s a stalwart remainer then sorry but I have a unicorn to sell you.
He still doesn’t back a second referendum. He only backs one in the event of a ‘damaging Tory Brexit’, which is any Tory Brexit because Brexit is damaging by default. If he by some miracle won a GE, there would be no referendum.
We can all just make stuff up mate. You've not a slither of evidence to back that assertion up so why'd you'd make up a position to get angry about is beyond me.
There's still 15% of leavers polling to vote for Labour and that was previously more than double. Everyone knows that dictated Labours position until it collapsed and they left for the brexit party but no it's because Corbyn is a leaver
It’s up to Corbyn to clearly prove his position to the people whose votes he wants. He is failing to do so.
These aren't the only two positions.
I've gone over it a million times as to why Corbyn is not a leave supporter and why he can't personal stop Brexit(We've had this argument before as to why Corbyn can't force tories to vote against their own party). If your angry at Corbyn for not wrapping himself in a EU flag and failing to press the STOP BREXIT BUTTON. Then I'll blame your understanding of politics rather than Corbyn view on brexit.
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Sure, because Jeremy’s genius political instincts are paying great dividends in the polls.
What I found very interesting given the fact that the 'narrative' seems to be that Corbyn would ruin Labour's chances of winning a General Election, is that Boris was running a "Only Boris can beat Corbyn" campaign. I am no expert on British politics or polling having never lived there, and we know Boris is a bullshitter and a liar so take of it what you will, but that certainly caught my eye.
Any twat could win an election right now, look at Trump or Ukraine. All bets are off as the digital age overtakes the politics we’ve been used to for 75 years or so, we’re coming to terms with a new age.
Did you not read my post ?
Its not Complex.
Corbyn is just saying Remain is far less harmful than a hard Brexit or a poor deal Tory Brexit.
Corbyn is just saying Remain is far less harmful than a hard Brexit or a poor deal Tory Brexit.
Who would perform better in a snap GE vs BJ:
Corbyn
Starmer
Thornberry
Because feck you if staying principled means we get another 8 years of Tories.
Corbyn
Starmer
Thornberry
Because feck you if staying principled means we get another 8 years of Tories.
that's the main issue... No matter how crap the Tories are right now there's still no viable opposition in the labour ranks. A proper labour party would have wiped the floor with Theresa May.
And yet saying that brings the wrath of the left down on you. I don’t even want Corbynsm, but it’s impossible to go from where we are now to there without an in between stage...
Cue everyone saying neolib 1997-200x was the inbetween stage.
My opinion isn't designed to incur wrath, I would love a viable labour party but this isn't one.
I know you’d like to think this is 4d tactical chess from Corbyn but it is weak leadership at best and deceptive at worst.