Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)


Really? Aside from the muted furore over Lionel Asbo, and some entertaining hatchet-job-reviews of his previous books, he's only featured in literary news for his latest opinion or his view of British life from the safe distance of his American home...
 
Really? Aside from the muted furore over Lionel Asbo, and some entertaining hatchet-job-reviews of his previous books, he's only featured in literary news for his latest opinion or his view of British life from the safe distance of his American home...

And despite all that he's still easily one of the best authors of his generation, which is why he remains famous. Not because of a few modestly controversial broadsheet spats.
 
And despite all that he's still easily one of the best authors of his generation, which is why he remains famous. Not because of a few modestly controversial broadsheet spats.

Quite; he's the Rooney of letters - a promising future behind him.
 
They're both wrong. But she isn't a senior policy adviser in the leaders office.

His tweet was reportedly a joke at the expense of Class War, which is perfectly plausible given that, as anyone who uses twitter knows, it's easy to lose context when you read isolated tweets months after the fact.

Luckily the NEC will have an easier decision to make with Benn's tweet, which she acknowledges and has since reiterated and defended.
 
Do you also support Emily Benn being expelled for the tweet she posted encouraging people to join the Women's Equality Party?

“contradicts Labour party rules”, which state that supporting a non-Labour candidate will lead to automatic expulsion.

Benn's retweet is not in breech of the above rule, Fisher's statements on the other hand leave no room for such doubt.

Upon what basis should people believe that his tweet was a mere joke?
 
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Do you also support Emily Benn being expelled for the tweet she posted encouraging people to join the Women's Equality Party?
Don't know the details of that, if she broke the rules then of course. Fisher clearly did, and is a key adviser to Corbyn ffs. I don't want Labour turned into a hard left organisation, which I'm increasingly concerned about given this and Milne.
 
These days, he's far more famous for his controversial views than for his novels.

I had the pleasure of being at University while Martin Amis played a short-lived honorary role at it. I remember distinctly him doing nothing and earning 75,000+ per annum for it. His father was right about him.
 
Analysis: Cameron’s rating down – but Corbyn’s down more


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https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/10/28/camerons-rating-down-corbyns-down-more/
 
That's pretty poor for Corbyn...
For a pm who has already said he won't stand for election again it's not great but it's much less of an issue

PMs more often than not have negative favorability ratings. Occupational hazard. See page six.

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-september-2015-charts.pdf

Worry for corbyn is that the drop comes from people who hadn't decided making up their minds against him. Suggests rather than winning over people who don't know him, he's needing to win over people who have bad first impressions.

Most of the detail is as expected, most popular with young and in the north of England, least popular with the old and the South outside of London.

One notable point is that his score among UKIP voters is at -42, so not much sign of any breakthrough there. I always thought it a bit odd that people thought he'd resonate with kippers simply because he's not a spad.
 
Latest local council election in Euxton North of Chorley council sees Labour up 12.7%, UKIP down 12.4% Tories down 0.3%. Again, only a council result so nothing to get too excited about but Labour winning back a significant proportion of the votes they lost to UKIP
 
Latest local council election in Euxton North of Chorley council sees Labour up 12.7%, UKIP down 12.4% Tories down 0.3%. Again, only a council result so nothing to get too excited about but Labour winning back a significant proportion of the votes they lost to UKIP

The swing comes from a drop in turnout, Labour only actually got 5 more votes than last time.

Edit: Same reason that Labour suffered such a huge fall in Risedale (Barrow in Furness) (25% swing to Tories, but seat held)
 
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PMs more often than not have negative favorability ratings. Occupational hazard. See page six.

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-september-2015-charts.pdf

Worry for corbyn is that the drop comes from people who hadn't decided making up their minds against him. Suggests rather than winning over people who don't know him, he's needing to win over people who have bad first impressions.

Most of the detail is as expected, most popular with young and in the north of England, least popular with the old and the South outside of London.

One notable point is that his score among UKIP voters is at -42, so not much sign of any breakthrough there. I always thought it a bit odd that people thought he'd resonate with kippers simply because he's not a spad.

Is it really surprising that people who didn't know much about Corbyn feel like he's not doing a very good job given that the media has run a 24/7 smear campaign against him?

I doubt he's concerned about it yet, would have known it was the likely way it was going to go and you'd hope is prepared to fight back.
 
Is it really surprising that people who didn't know much about Corbyn feel like he's not doing a very good job given that the media has run a 24/7 smear campaign against him?
I doubt he's concerned about it yet, would have known it was the likely way it was going to go and you'd hope is prepared to fight back.

He's also given the media plenty of material to work with though, and I don't see that stopping.
 
He's also given the media plenty of material to work with though, and I don't see that stopping.

With his appointments of John Mcdonnell, Andrew Fisher and Seumas Milne I see it getting worse - will be interesting to see what happens with the Labour Candidate to replace meecher - will it be an imposed corbynista? - certainly Kate Godfrey and Jim Mcmahon are in the running and would not fit that agenda- (what would the response be is even David Milliband decided to stand?)
 
Oh well, that's my faith in Jeremy reaffirmed:


Corbyn's a humourless joke, says writer Martin Amis

Martin Amis has described Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn as "a joke" and said he would leave Labour "undeserving of a single vote".

In a highly critical article for the Sunday Times, Money author Amis said the Islington North MP was a "fluky beneficiary of a drastic elevation".

His intervention comes as Mr Corbyn faces challenges from within his party, as a Labour MP said he would try to oust him as leader if the party flopped in May's devolved and local elections.

Amis, who said he spent his 20s "close to the epicentre of the Corbyn milieu" while at the New Statesman, also called Mr Corbyn "humourless".

The 66 year old, son of late author Sir Kingsley Amis, said: "Many journalists have remarked on this, usually in a tone of wry indulgence. In fact it is an extremely grave accusation, imputing as it does a want of elementary nous. To put it crassly, the humourless man is a joke - and a joke he will never get."

"He is undereducated. Which is one way of putting it. His schooling dried up when he was 18, at which point he had two E-grade A-levels to his name; he started a course at North London Polytechnic, true, where he immersed himself in trade union studies, but dropped out after a year. And that was that.

"In general, his intellectual CV gives an impression of slow-minded rigidity; and he seems essentially incurious about anything beyond his immediate sphere."


Mr Corbyn was "without the slightest grasp of the national character", he added, saying the opposition leader's proposal to leave Nato would "paralyse" the special relationship between the UK and US.

The Booker Prize winner* also said Mr Corbyn was "obviously unelectable" and predicted Labour could become a "leftist equivalent to the American GOP (Republican Party): hopelessly retrograde, self-absorbed, self-pitying and self-righteous, quite unembarrassed by its (years-long) tantrum, necessarily and increasingly hostile to democracy, and in any sane view undeserving of a single vote".

Meanwhile, Rochdale MP Simon Danczuk - one of the left-winger's most vocal internal critics - told the Mail on Sunday: "If the results for Labour in May are as dire as we all fear, then yes I would be prepared to stand as a stalking horse against Jeremy Corbyn."

*Amis has never won the Booker Prize.


The underlined text is quite concerning, that's an appalling academic record for someone in his position.
 
The underlined text is quite concerning, that's an appalling academic record for someone in his position.

I find the reference to the GOP interesting as watching the US republican debates it struck me that candidates take up such extreme positions (abortion, taxation, immigration etc) in order to appease the evangelical and tea party type base of the party but if they were to win the nomination they would be so far out of touch with the swing voters that they could never win an election.

The corbynistas seem basically like the tea party (obviously very different politics) in that they are dragging the party into un-electability and just like the tea party will probaby blame the liberal press for them ending up with a democratic president the corbynistas will put their head in the sand and blame the press.

In truth I cant help think that perhaps this was the original corbynista as this is how many of the younger corbyn fans seem to me

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With his appointments of John Mcdonnell, Andrew Fisher and Seumas Milne I see it getting worse - will be interesting to see what happens with the Labour Candidate to replace meecher - will it be an imposed corbynista? - certainly Kate Godfrey and Jim Mcmahon are in the running and would not fit that agenda- (what would the response be is even David Milliband decided to stand?)

You can add two more expected appointments to the list.

First is James Meadway. On the plus side, he’s economics chief at NEF. On the downside he’s a founder member of the Socialist Worker Party splinter group Counterfire, last seen trying to delete his old tweets supporting people who were standing against Labour in recent elections, and celebrating the death of Thatcher. Second is Karie Murphy, being the controversial Union figure at the centre of the Falkirk scandal under Ed Miliband.

I would have described those two appointments as unbelievable 6 weeks ago, but at this point I wouldnt even be surprised if Galloway returned to the party.

Is it really surprising that people who didn't know much about Corbyn feel like he's not doing a very good job given that the media has run a 24/7 smear campaign against him?

I doubt he's concerned about it yet, would have known it was the likely way it was going to go and you'd hope is prepared to fight back.

I’m increasingly of the view that he’s not bothered about being successful at the ballot box, so opinion polls mean nothing. No-one can seriously argue that the British public would put that team anywhere near Downing Street. My guess is that this is about shifting the party to the left, and if they lose votes in doing so, so be it.
 
You can add two more expected appointments to the list.

First is James Meadway. On the plus side, he’s economics chief at NEF. On the downside he’s a founder member of the Socialist Worker Party splinter group Counterfire, last seen trying to delete his old tweets supporting people who were standing against Labour in recent elections, and celebrating the death of Thatcher. Second is Karie Murphy, being the controversial Union figure at the centre of the Falkirk scandal under Ed Miliband.

I would have described those two appointments as unbelievable 6 weeks ago, but at this point I wouldnt even be surprised if Galloway returned to the party.



I’m increasingly of the view that he’s not bothered about being successful at the ballot box, so opinion polls mean nothing. No-one can seriously argue that the British public would put that team anywhere near Downing Street. My guess is that this is about shifting the party to the left, and if they lose votes in doing so, so be it.

Its almost like his appointments are designed to force the moderate elements of the party to jump ship... I personally expect a mutiny before I expect that to happen.

As for Galloway if he had retained his seat I actually think he would be back now - probably as something he is completely unsuitable for - foreign secretary or defence minister spring to mind
 
I’m increasingly of the view that he’s not bothered about being successful at the ballot box, so opinion polls mean nothing. No-one can seriously argue that the British public would put that team anywhere near Downing Street. My guess is that this is about shifting the party to the left, and if they lose votes in doing so, so be it.

Well, under the current regime we currently have a equalities office with 2 MPs who voted against gay marriage.
 
The underlined text is quite concerning, that's an appalling academic record for someone in his position.

Who cares? It was decades ago, and he's been in politics for an incredibly long time now. His academic record doesn't really matter all that much.
 
You can add two more expected appointments to the list.

First is James Meadway. On the plus side, he’s economics chief at NEF. On the downside he’s a founder member of the Socialist Worker Party splinter group Counterfire, last seen trying to delete his old tweets supporting people who were standing against Labour in recent elections, and celebrating the death of Thatcher. Second is Karie Murphy, being the controversial Union figure at the centre of the Falkirk scandal under Ed Miliband.

I would have described those two appointments as unbelievable 6 weeks ago, but at this point I wouldnt even be surprised if Galloway returned to the party.

I’m increasingly of the view that he’s not bothered about being successful at the ballot box, so opinion polls mean nothing. No-one can seriously argue that the British public would put that team anywhere near Downing Street. My guess is that this is about shifting the party to the left, and if they lose votes in doing so, so be it.
Considering Milne said a couple of weeks ago that the current shadow cabinet is just a "stabilising" one and they'll no doubt start moving their own people into it before long, it looks fair to say that the worst is yet to come.
 


According to a corbynista BMG research are just a puppet of the right wing media determined to smear dear jeremy.
The spokesman from tooting said the following:
Come the glorious revolution BMG will be first up against the wall - along with anybody who is centrist or anyone who votes against comrade corbyn

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In all seriousness though how long before those on the left realise they are becoming un-electable... or more to the point how long before a centrist candidate challenges Corbyn?
 
How can a non-voter be centrist? What are they defining as centrist as surely if the had clear positions they'd have voted?

Am I misunderstanding something something here? I'd read the report but its Friday commute time
 
How can a non-voter be centrist? What are they defining as centrist as surely if the had clear positions they'd have voted?

Am I misunderstanding something something here? I'd read the report but its Friday commute time
plenty of people dont vote...

The turn out in the labour election where you could vote online was only about 3/4

Turnout for the vote was 422,871 (76.3%) of the 554,272 eligible voters, with 207 spoilt ballots. 343,995 votes (81.3%) were cast online, the UK's largest online ballot
(from wiki)

My wife didnt vote in the general election this time - our child wasnt well so she didn't make it to the polling station - it does not mean she does not have a clear understanding of what political policies she favours.
 
29% of all respondents described themselves as at all to the left. 48% as centrists.
 
How can a non-voter be centrist? What are they defining as centrist as surely if the had clear positions they'd have voted?

Am I misunderstanding something something here? I'd read the report but its Friday commute time

It probably goes like this

"Are you left wing"
"Nope"
"Are you right wing"
"Nope"
"What are you then?"
"Somewhere in the middle"

Which is in truth where most people in the UK are. They like some stuff that is classically left wing, other stuff that is classically right wing, but don't like extreme views on either side of the spectrum.
 
Jeremy Corbyn questions why Britain commemorates the First World War

Jeremy Corbyn has said he cannot see the reason for commemorating the First World War in footage that has surfaced ahead of Remembrance Sunday.

The Labour leader criticised the “shedload” of money which the Coalition was planning to spend marking the 100th anniversary of the war.

Some four million people visited a remembrance project that saw 888,246 ceramic poppies laid out at the Tower of London in 2014 - one for each British military fatality.

In a video uploaded to YouTube by the Communist Party in April 2013, Mr Corybn is seen questioning why the country was spending so much remembering the conflict.

"Next year, the government is apparently proposing to spend shedloads of money commemorating the First World War,” he said.

“I'm not quite sure what there is to commemorate about the First World War, other than the mass slaughter of millions of young men and women – mainly men – on the Western Front and all the other places. It was a war of the declining empires.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...Britain-commemorates-the-First-World-War.html



As someone who visited the poppy installation at the Tower of London (it got the tone just right), i think it is a great pity that Corbyn couldn't see beyond his politics on the matter.
 
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As someone who visited the poppy installation at the Tower of London (it got the tone just right), i think it is a great pity that Corbyn couldn't see beyond his politics on the matter.
Remember seeing it on tv and it looked incredible and very moving. Although with that said Corbyn is right it's essentially a pretty tribute that detracts from the issues of the first World War.